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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Aug 24, 2011 5:48:39 GMT
It might baffle/puzzle some to understand why something's not represented/available for FS, but, what must be understood is not everything wanted necessarily appeals to those with the ability to actually do it.
It must be remembered most painters paint according to appeal of any subject to them personally .... or .... their personal connection/association with any particular subject.
Few painters target specific aircraft types .... then "paint the world" in order to represent them !
Sadly .... there's often more "I want" and "expectaton" within this hobby than personal desire to get out there and "learn how to do it oneself" .... in order to resolve any perceived discrepencies that way.
Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by tokolosh on Aug 24, 2011 8:35:28 GMT
10 seconds of searching found it still available at Flightsim.com Nick Shalom Albert and Nick, I already saw that livery few months ago and it was not good livery. The fact there is no Finnair livery and ONLY ONE Pan Am livery for SGA DC-10-30 since its inception 7 years ago puzzles and baffles me considering the fact there are so many superb paintings (also kept repeating every year by different painters) of almost all airlines flying DC-10-30 yet none for Finnair DC-10-30 and only one for PanAm. Surprises me. Oh if all of you are wondering why I am so keen on those 2 liveries, that is because I flew on them as passengers:) And Albert and Nick, nice to meet both of you here on HJG. Aharon If it's the textures on the underside of the deployed spoilers that bother you, these can easily be replaced by substituting those from another repaint That's what I did because I don't know how to paint (yet) myself. As Mark says, most painters do what they see a demand for or something that appeals to them personally, therefore lots of stuff doesn't get done. But the upside is that you sometimes comes across the most unexpected repaints and can often be very pleasantly surpised! Nice to meet you here too Aharon. Albert
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Post by hitperson on Aug 24, 2011 10:11:17 GMT
certainly the DC-10 would be an interesting addition, i feel though i that i would be more interested in classic 747's personally, but that is just my own personal preference.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Aug 24, 2011 10:33:58 GMT
I can't see us taking on the B747 .... unless someone else were to die and "will/gift to us a ready-made project" .... like the one I think you may be referring to I've got a feeling .... though I can't be entirely certain .... this (untextured spoiler undersidesissue) affects just some of the DC10-10/15 models (there are 2), but, not any of the -30 or -40 models Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by tokolosh on Aug 24, 2011 12:40:58 GMT
I've got a feeling .... though I can't be entirely certain .... this (untextured spoiler undersidesissue) affects just the DC10-10/15 models, but, not any of the -30 or -40 models .... unless I've got an earlier/wrong DC10-10/15 model Mark C AKL/NZ Mark, This is a Series 30, but maybe the texture problem was specific to this repaint. I just replaced the wing textures from another aircraft and voila!, it was OK Albert
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Post by garryrussell on Aug 24, 2011 21:24:42 GMT
I don't know why folk get surprised when they can't find a livery.
There is this misconception that painters have a duty to produce all liveries
Nothing is further from the truth, they do what they want and the community should be grateful for what they have and not seem to complain or be surprised about anything they can't find. In addition no one should complain that a livery is not up to scratch...the choices are take it or leave it...
As it turns out a proper look would find these things.
Think about Pan Am DC 10...if a painter wanted to paint Pan Am I don't think a DC 10 would be the first thing he thinks of. If he wanted to paint a DC 10 then I doubt that Pan Am would be the first thing he thinks of
Couple that with the simple fact that a lot won't even know about it means that Pan Am DC 10's are never going to be common.
The truth is, people who don't make stuff for FS have no idea how difficult and time consuming it is, and that is why not everything is covered.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Aug 24, 2011 21:30:04 GMT
It's only one of the DC10-10 models I've experienced this untextured spoiler issue with. I find the DC10-30 and -40 models to be fine in this respect. As an experiment only .... I recetly tried applying an appropriately shaded DC10-30 wing texture, which I knew had spoiler undersides which appeared fine, to one of the -10 models which I have .... but .... "NO GO" .... it didn't resolve the problem in my case. I can therefore only conclude that the texture BMP name for the spoiler undersides of at least one of the DC10-10 models I have is different from that of the DC10-30 model. I know for a fact there are 2 different DC10-10 models .... one featuring the very early flat fairing on the end of each engine tail pipe/cone .... and the other with the later modified version featuring silencer extending very prominently beyond the engine tail pipe/cone. As I recall .... my spoiler undersides texture issue is related to the first description .... and what I also believe to be the earlier DC10-10 model. I don't think this same issue applies to the later version .... which I suspect is also used for both the DC10-30 and -15 models as well. I may post some more images here .... later .... just to help demonstrate precisely what I mean, but, it seems my own spoiler undersides texture issure might be caused through my own insistence upon using the earlier DC10-10 model (for the appropriate aircraft liveries) .... simply for the sake of technical accuracy. All the same .... and just as a matter of curiosity too .... What's the date of your own model files for each of the following DC10 versions .... DC10-10.mdl DC10-15.mdl DC10-30.mdl DC10-30F.mdl DC10-40.mdl DC10-40D.mdl DC10-40I.mdl .... assuming you do actually have each of these 7 individual models installed ? Thank you Garry .... that's "EXACTLY/PRECISELY MY POINT" ! Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by tokolosh on Aug 24, 2011 23:53:06 GMT
What's the date of your own model files for each of the following DC10 versions .... DC10-10.mdl DC10-15.mdl DC10-30.mdl DC10-30F.mdl DC10-40.mdl DC10-40D.mdl DC10-40I.mdl .... assuming you do actually have each of these 7 individual models installed ? Mark, not sure the question was for me ... I only have two models installed: sga1030.mdl (31-3-2004) and sga1030F.mdl (16-3-2004). The PanAm repaint was the only one with the "problematic" spoiler undersides that I've encountered. Albert
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Aug 25, 2011 0:49:31 GMT
YEAH it was actually !
The reason I asked this is only because I've had a sneaking suspicion (for some time) that there mght be more than a couple of model versions out there for some of the DC10's (I certainly ran into this with the L1011 prior to our launching it) .... and was curious as to the dates of your own model files.
My own model file dates are as follows ....
DC10-10.mdl = Thursday, 17 July 2003, 8:11:28 p.m.
DC10-15.mdl = Thursday, 17 July 2003, 6:32:06 p.m.
DC10-30.mdl = Saturday, 10 April 2004, 12:37:36 p.m.
DC10-30F.mdl = Saturday, 10 April 2004, 1:10:52 p.m.
DC10-40.mdl = Friday, 17 September 2004, 2:28:50 p.m.
DC10-40D.mdl = Friday, 17 September 2004, 2:46:34 p.m.
DC10-40I.mdl = Friday, 17 September 2004, 2:37:52 p.m.
If your DC10-30 and -30F model dates are those bracketed in your above text .... then it looks like my versions of the same are more recent than yours.
FYI .... in the case of that PAN AM DC10 referenced by Nick. There's actually 2 versions of it. Both are by the same author .... Derek ANDERSON.
This one with the NATIONAL inherited white bum/fuselage ....
And then this one with a natural metal bum/fuselage ....
Both are DC10-30's
Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Aug 25, 2011 6:16:04 GMT
Thought I'd make a visual presentation of each of Eric CANTU's DC10 models which I currently have .... DC10-10 .... GE engines with the original Splitter Plate type flat fairing on the end of each engine tail pipe/cone and no CLG .... DC10-10 ..... modified GE engines without the Splitter Plate type flat fairing and featuring the prominent silencer, and no CLG .... DC10-15 .... basically a DC10-10 structure with higher thrust GE engines ("Hot & High" capability) and no CLG .... DC10-30 .... intercontinental aircraft version with slightly greater wing span, GE engines, and CLG .... DC10-30CF .... convertible PAX/freighter version of intercontinental aircraft version with GE engines and CLG .... DC10-30F .... pure freighter version of Intercontinental aircraft (often converted from ex PAX configured versions) with port side forward fuselage maindeck cargo door (I'm not sure if this cargo door is animated on this model ), GE engines, and CLG .... DC10-30ER .... further extended range version of intercontinental aircraft (last variant to be built though some existing DC10-30's were modified to ER standard) version with GE engines and CLG .... DC10-40 .... standard long range/transcontinental US configuration with P&W engines (note the "bulbous" shape of the # 2/tail engine intake which was common to all DC10-40 and MD11 aircraft) with prominent silencer, and CLG .... DC10-40D .... domestic JAL (only) configuration with derated engine thrust and increased capacity, P&W engines (note different shaped engine tail pipe/cone on these engines which conceal the silencer visible on the DC10-15 and -30) and CLG .... DC10-40I .... international JAL (only) configuration .... P&W engines and CLG .... DC10-40I-F .... pure freighter conversion of international JAL (only) configuration with P&W engines and CLG .... Additionally .... the following imagery illustrates the very minor spoiler underside texture issue with the DC10-10 (and DC10-15) models (only) .... note the black under surfaces on these aircraft as opposed to the grey spoiler underside textures evident on the DC10-30 (and DC10-40) models. I've not been able to resolve this .... yet .... even by swapping suitable DC10-30 wing BMP files for those currently used on the DC10-10 (and DC10-15) models, but, this may be the result of my using an earlier .... since superseded .... model. I'm just not sure at this stage .... hence my earlier mode file date queries. DC10-10 & -15 textureless/black spoiler underside texturesDC10-30 & -40 normal/grey spoiler undersides textures ....Also evident in the above DC10-30 image are some of the major renovations Camilo and I have been slowly undertaking in regard to the original AIR NEW ZEALAND DC!0-30 texture. There's still a lot of improvements to incorporate yet in order to perfect these (and also represent the other minor minor variations of livery which were applied over 9 years of service) .... among which include reducing the size of the "Koru" tail logo too. Once again .... "THIS IS A PRIVATE PROJECT AND NOT AN HJG ONE" Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by tokolosh on Aug 25, 2011 7:56:51 GMT
Hi Mark, some very nice textures there. Like the NZ one I'll take a look if the other PanAm version is any different to the one I have. Your models are indeed a couple of weeks younger, As for the FedEx freighter, the cargo door is animated. Albert
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Post by garryrussell on Aug 25, 2011 11:30:58 GMT
TBH Mark...based on just those two shots admittedly..I prefer the untextured spoilers .....over light undersides just doesn't look right and although the untextured is wrong too, in my opinion, it looks less wrong than the textured version. FS does horrible things to areas that should be in shadow......interiors and wheel bays for example. Nice collection Garry
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Post by walterleo on Aug 25, 2011 12:34:11 GMT
Special thanks for the DC 10-15 XA-MEX! Its a beautiful repaint of the DC-10 series. In the XA-MEX I flew once from Miami to MMMX, but got stranded in Cancun for 8 hours cause of a hydraulic leek. Something in FS9 cannot happen. That day at MMUN they got out of sandwiches also, something in FS9 is imposible also!
How will be solved the panel-problem, cause freeware panels for the DC-10 leave a lot to desire some are back from FS 2002.
Kind regards
Walter
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2011 13:01:38 GMT
wow I am enjoying discussion on SGA DC-10s!!!! I have heard of super shiny metallic engine covers in silver color but it is first time I ever seen super shiny metallic engine covers in GOLD color by looking at Mexicana DC-10-15!!! wow gold engine covers!!! Aharon
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2011 13:03:37 GMT
And what is more interesting is that when I was examining screenshots of DC-10-40s, I notice blue tint cockpit windows on those planes compared to normal cockpit windows on other DC-10s that are not in -40 version.
Aharon
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