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Post by Benoit - HJG on Dec 21, 2014 13:44:06 GMT
The challenge of reproducing aircraft sounds as close to reality and as real as it gets within FS limitations...  CF6-50 turbofan engine sounds for Vistaliner DC-10-15 & DC-10-30 now in preview, soundpack should be available in early 2015.  Showing the soundpack interaction with other CF6-50 powered aircraft such as the Airbus A300B & Boeing B747-200 ai traffic. Enjoy!! Benoit |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Dec 22, 2014 4:16:07 GMT
B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L Benoit This video (like Benoit's last one previewing the DC10-10 GE CF6-6 version soundpack for FSX) can actually serve two purposes .... (1) ... to preview this new DC10-15 and DC10-30 GE CF6-50 version soundpasck for FSX. (2) .... to also preview some of the DC10-15 and DC10-30 textures we'll be releasing in the future too. NOW THEN .... let's see how observant everyone is  Did anyone spot "an interesting detail" with the CANADIAN PACIFIC DC10-30 livery featured within Benoit's above video ? Camilo and myself painted this particular livery together .... and apart from it being the very first time (we believe) this particular historic livery has been represented for the DC10 and FS .... there is, also, something else "interesting" about it .... if anyones' noticed. Anyone spot what it is ? For those whom aren't so familiar with the DC10's .... These particular aircraft were powered by 3 different types of turbofan engines .... the GE CF6-6 (which powered the DC10-10 series only), the GE CF6-50 (which powered the DC10-15 and -30 series only), and the P&W JT9D (which powered the DC10-40 series only .... and which, I believe, will also probably be the subject of Bemoit's next FSX DC10 audio preview) .... each of which were "distinctly different" tonally although the tone of GE CF8-50 was "UNIQUE" in this respect. Here's the DC10-10 GE CF6-6 turbofan engine version (audio-visual preview) for comparison .... www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFKt5kTsqTUBenoit's audio has b-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l-l-y captured the tonal differences between each of these engines (as previewed so far) .... right down the characteristic "surge/gusting" (sound) made by these engines when power was advanced from idle/near-idle to taxi power .... and which may be detected within some the CANADIAN PACIFIC, MEXICANA, and AIR NEW ZEALAND segements featured within the above video. Again .... these previews promote the forthcomming "FSX VERSION" DC10 soundpacks only .... each of which takes advantage of the "superior" FSX sound engine/coning which better replicates sound from ahead, beside, and behind any FS point of view. This coning effect is particularly well demonstrated by the way in which the volume of any subject increases as it approaches the FS point of view .... then continues to change slowly by the time its alongside .... and eventually evolves into a good/solid roar as it passes by and once ahead .... in each one of these videos and which results a unique/more realistic audio effect. HJG will be releasing these FSX specific DC10 soundpacks during early 2015. The FS9/FS2004 versions of each of the 3 DC10 soundoacks are already uploaded/available from HJG .... on the "McDONNELL-DOUGFLAS SOUNDS" page. Whilst the FS9/FS2004 sound engine isn't as superior/apable as that of FSX .... these DC10 soundpacks, for this particular FS version, are none-the-less equally authentic (tonally) too. "NICE WORK" Benoit .... and nice to see you "flying the flag" for me too per "The Airline Of The Worlds Greatest Travellers" .... AIR NEW ZEALAND Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Dec 22, 2014 4:31:36 GMT
I'm not sure .... BUT .... as both the B747-200 and A300B are also featured within the above video (some of these aircraft were also powered by the same/similar GE CF6-50 turbofan engines which powered the DC10-15 and DC10-30), Benoit may (possibly) be producing soundpacks for these particular aircrsft in the future too .... although this "IS NOT" confirmed. Without committing yorself either way Benoit .... you might like to comment in regard to this particular detail Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by Tony Madge - HJG on Dec 22, 2014 7:44:08 GMT
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Post by Benoit - HJG on Dec 22, 2014 16:57:51 GMT
Thank you Mark and Tony. Well... I wouldn't dare not fly the New Zealand flag...   I'm trying to catch up with getting the FSX version of these soundpacks, including all 3 for ai traffic as well, as recent unforeseen circumstances kept me away from my FS PC for sometime this past October & November. Definitely soundpacks for the Vistaliner A300B and POSKY 747-200 have been in the works along side the DC-10 ones, with minor differences to flightdeck avionics and sound.cfg programming according to their respective FDE's and panel configs will be made available when they are ready, all representing both CF6-50 & JT9D for the A300B, and CF6-50, JT9D & RB211 for B747-200. Upgrading of the existing HJG aircraft soundpacks offering also planned, lots to keep my hobby going as other soundpack projects outside HJG are nearing completion and release for both FS9 & FSX, but all in good time... Benoit |
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Post by eastern1004 on Dec 22, 2014 19:03:52 GMT
This spelling? Pacifque
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Dec 22, 2014 20:11:27 GMT
That's "THE ONE" .... The airline which had been marketed/branded as "CP AIR" from the mid 1960's was re-branded/re-marketed as "CANADIAN PACIFIC" (full title) during the late 1980's .... and to get around the bi-ligual issue (because Canada is, after-all, a bi-lingual English and French speaking nation) .... the port side of its aircraft began to be branded with full "CANDIAN PACIFIC" titles (in English) .... whilst "CANADIEN PACIFIQUE" titles (in French) graced the starboard side of the fuselage .... as per the following imagery .... CANADIAN PACIFIC AIRLINES DC10-30 C-FCRE "Empress Of Canada (1987) .... bilingual "CANADIEN PACIFIC/CANADIEN PACIFIQUE" titles introduced dueing the late 1980's   C-FCRE was the (or one of the) first aircraft to support this new identity .... and I think it was also the only DC10-30 fleet-member to do so too .... whilst the remaining CP AIR fleet-members began to be similarly rebranded in what became the following CP AIR/CANADIAN PACIFIC/CANADIAN PACIFIQUE bybrid livery during this transitional period .... CANADIAN PACIFIC AIRLINES DC10-30 C-GCPI "Empress Of Auckland" (1986)  This identity didn't last long though because within a year (or so) the airline was one again rebranded .... as "CANADIAN AIRLINES INTERNATIONAL" and which resulted in the following revised livery version being introduced .... CANADIAN AIRLINES INTERNATIONAL C-GCPJ (1989) This rvised livery featured subtle treatment of the nanme CANADIAN/CANADIEN .... with last letter "A" and the "E" (on each side respectively) being dropped and replaced with the airlines logo .... and which (sort of) resolved the bi-lingual branding issue through its favouring neither English nor French speaking sides accordingly. By this time most of the airlines DC10-30's were still supporting the basic orange/red/natural metal CP AIR scheme, but, were rebranded with these revised titles and which resulted in yet another/the following new hybrid livery .... CANADIAN AIRLINES INTERNATIONAL DC10-30 C-GCPI (1987) SO THEN .... there you have it Benoit and/or Peter (and/or even Herman too) might be able to add a few more details about the historical transition of CP AIR to CANADIAN PACIFIC AIRLINES and then to CANADIAN AIRLINES INTERNATIONAL. I think CANADIAN was eventually merged into AIR CANADA and disappeared altogether during the very late 1990's .... or there-abouts. We would dearly love to have been able to represent the Canadian Snow Goose ("Proud Wings") scheme for the DC10 too .... BUT .... apparently none of these aircraft ever supported it  Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by Peter Liddell - HJG Admin on Dec 23, 2014 3:44:25 GMT
Well, I guess I can chime in...
In the mid 80s, the "multimark" mass branding for CP inc (including CP Rail, CP Air, CP Ships, CP Hotels and a few others) was to be ended. The various properties were to be rebranded individually.
CP Air was the first and was rebranded as Canadian Pacific/Canadien Pacifique Airlines in 1986. Colors were Deep blue, light grey and a red accent stripe. One side of the aircraft was titled in English (port) and one in French (starboard)... these were reversed in the case of one ex-Nordair 737, but i've been told that was "accidental". In late 1986 it acquired Nordair who's 737s were all? repainted into the new CP Blue/Grey colors.
The new logo was intended to symbolise the CP multimark over 5 continents.
Only a small number of 737s (mostly ex-Nordair ones) and a couple of the DC-10s were painted (along with some commuter aircraft to Air Atlantic (Dash 8) and NorCanAir (Fokker 28, Convair 580)), however more were given the new titles on the old orange colors. There was also the "Attache" service aircraft in a separate but related colorscheme (1x 737-200 and 1x 737-300 were in this scheme).
In late 1987, CP Inc sold Canadian Pacific Airlines to PWA Inc, parent of Pacific Western Airlines. PWA Inc merged the 2 into Canadi>n Airlines International (along with EPA which CP had acquired a couple months earlier. Wardair was added in 1989). The Canadian Pacific general colorscheme was adopted, the logo was modified with a PWAesque wing instead of the CP multimark but keeping the 5 grey bands.
As only a few CP aircraft were painted, most were still in the 2 tone Orange colors (along with Ex PWA and EPA colors on 737-200s) and were quickly retitled with the new Canadi>n logo until full paint could be applied.
Canadian was... ahem... merged into Air Canada in 2000 in a contentious, politically pushed and difficult merger. The Dc-10s were parked the day of the takeover, their duties taken over by 767-300s and AC's A340s and A330s. Canadian officially ceased to exist in August 2001. There are still a couple ex-Canadian DC-10s sitting in the Mohave sun, engineless and ready to be chopped up, but as yet they remain, ironically in the company of ex-AC 762s and a 747.
The final CDN Proud Wings livery never made it onto the Dc-10s, though drawings and models exist of it.
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Post by Benoit - HJG on Dec 23, 2014 15:26:27 GMT
Nice summary there Peter.
Yes it was a very difficult time indeed, but new friendships and the merging of the so many different cultures of past airline acquisitions went on ahead...
By mid 1999 Canadian Airlines was in grave financial straits and verging on bankruptcy. Soon Air Canada began pursuing a possible buyout of Canadian Airlines lucrative international routes, but was quickly turned down. Canadian had already entered into secret negotiations with Onex Corporation, a Toronto-based leveraged buyout firm, and AMR Corporation, the parent of American Airlines and owner of a 25 percent stake in Canadian, about a possible takeover. ONEX soon started pursuing the takeover and merger of both Canadian and Air Canada. Air Canada responded with its own takeover bid of Canadian Airlines backed by Star Alliance partners United Airlines and Lufthansa. It also took Onex to court where it won a verdict that upheld a law stipulating that no single shareholder could own more than 10 percent of Air Canada. This scuttled the Onex bid, and Air Canada in December 1999 secured an agreement to take over Canadian Airlines at a bargain-basement price, but with a burdensome assumption of Canadian Airlines huge debt and lease obligations.
After discovering that Canadian Airlines was quickly losing huge amount of money on a daily basis, Air Canada put the integration of Canadian into Air Canada on a very fast track. The speed with which the two carrier networks were brought together triggered a period of mass chaos, particularly during the summer of 2000, when many customers were driven irate by canceled flights, departure delays, lost luggage, unhelpful agents, and other difficulties. The situation got so bad that the then CEO, Robert Milton took to the airwaves in early August, promising in a series of ads that within 6 months, or by January 2001, the integration of the two carriers would be complete and the problems plaguing Air Canada would end. He did in fact meet this goal, and service gradually began to improve.
The merging of the fleet was not an easy task, AC acquired CP's 747-400s, 737-200s into its fleet which were quickly disposed of, the 767-300ERs with most of them still flying, some transferred to Air Canada Rouge, the new leisure subsidiary of AC mainline.
Benoit
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Post by Peter Liddell - HJG Admin on Dec 23, 2014 16:10:37 GMT
the 767-300ERs with most of them still flying, some transferred to Air Canada Rouge, the new leisure subsidiary of AC mainline. Benoit Thankfully, so far anyways, the Rouge fleet is all PW4000 powered, 2 ex-Hawaiian and the 6 ex-Air Canada pre merger (767-333ER(W)s). CDN's all were CF6 powered and still minty mainline. |
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