Wash my mouth out with soap.

[Nathan Ford - HJG]

With the fear of upsetting Mark   I want to put forward a question.

Before I discovered HJG, I purchased the Legendary 707 from CraptainSim for FS9 and have had many fun hours with it. I just want to ask anyone who has flown both the CS 707's and the HJG 707's if they can give me the pros and cons of both? Apart from the obvious ones of range of aircraft available, free and virtual cockpit, I would like to know about the difference in flying experience.

If all goes the way I think it will, I might be clearing some of the space out in FS9.

Apologising to Mark, George and Tony in advance,

Humbly,

Nathan 

ps: I do enjoy their 777 in FSX though  

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

No need to appologise to Nathan .... and although one or two people (idiots) do "get my back up" (you're "NOT" one of them though) I don't ever get upset about anything within the FS world .... primarily because I'm too busy living and dealing within the real world

ANYWAY ....

The HJG B707/720/ and C-135 SERIES simulations haven't had any FDE attention for "a very long time".

What we currently offer is the best we could do .... "then"/when they were last updated .... but .... we've learned a lot since that time and I "do" recognize certain aspects of these simulations could do with some FDE improvement/s (like that Mike and I applied to the DC-8's recently .... although that particular project took us more than 3 years) given what we now know and have the ability to be able to achieve (their panels are all fine though and aren't in need of any attention .... again it's certain aspects of FDE performances only of these simulations which I'm talking about) .... BUT .... it'll have to wait, I'm afraid, due to other projects that've been started and are slotted ahead of this intention.

Similar also applies to our B707/720 and C135 SERIES (and CV-880/CV-990) manuals .... located on our following forum page ....


tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/board/12/hjg-aircraft


Whilst "very basic" in their composition and in comparison to my more recently compiled manuals these references still give one "a reasonable impression" of these simulations, but, like everything else .... experience of the past 10 years has taught me to compile these references in a much better format as I've been doing in regard to the simulations we've released since.

It's my intention to updfate this reference data too .... and indeed I did/have made a start on it, but, it takes such a long time, and requires such lot of test flying (not to mention FDE tweaking and testing/re-testing) in order to complete just one good/thorough manual.

I'll get there though .... one of these forthcomming Christmas's

TO ANSWER YOUR QUERY QUICKLY/BRIEFLY THOUGH ....

The CS B707 simulation "is" a respected payware product and "DOES" (apparently) have some nice features, but, as far as it's variety is concerned (meaning CS's representation of B707/720 and C135 SERIES aircraft types) .... it's apparently "lacking".

By virtue of what we/HJG offer in regard to these aircraft types (meaning the variety of 3D models .... with each of their various physical differences, panels, soundpacks, and effects .... and not to mention the performance variation which "DOES" also exist among each of what we/HJG offer .... it's also respected that the HJG B707/720 and C135 SERIES simulations are composed of "more comprehensive representation of these aircraft.

Not saying ours are better .... but rather .... just repeating what quite a number of people have told us over the years

And "THAT" ..... I think .... is just being "HONEST"

Mark C
AKL/NZ

[Peter Liddell - HJG Admin]

All i can say is as someone who used to embrace CS products, they completely soured me when they hung me out to dry with my 757 textures. I followed their guidelines fully and when after an update their texture autoinstaller failed to install my textures... they blamed me. Years later i still get emails asking me why the textures don't show up! (even though only EA is still up anywhere...)

[Nathan Ford - HJG]

Thanks Peter, I can see why you would have a sour taste in your mouth!

Once again, thank you Mark for the depth and honesty of your reply. I'm also pleased to know that I am not on any form of hit list 

I think i'll download the HJG 707-320c and see how it feels. The CS product for FSX is pretty good, but the FS9 one has been around for a long time and out of "support" for a long time so I imagine the FDE would be quite immature by today's standards anyway. The EPRs are also stock FS9 and are very inaccurate even for take off. If the HJG ones fly a bit more by the numbers i'll be happy.

Once again, thank you for your in depth reply and looking forward to taking the bird for a spin,

Cheers,

Nathan 

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

Let me know if you need any help with those Nathan .... not a problem.

The FDE's are "GOOD" .... and very accurate in respect of the insdividual aircraft performance variations and how these actually fly, but, it's just small things/details .... like my feeling they tend to approach to landing with "swlightly too high" an AI/nose up pitch attitude .... even when fuel light (don't try'n land these suckers with in excess of 20% total fuel remaining) that is of any concern to me .... but which, thanks to a klittle trick Mike showed me, a few years ago, I now know how to address/resolve.

I haven't addressed this (haven't had time to) before now simply because, since 2008/9 my own personal HJG commitment has litterally been finish one project and start the next/another .... "consecutively".

I'm long overdue for break

BUT .... it's all "FUN" .... and otherwise "QUITE ENJOYABLE" .... most of the time

Mark C
AKL/NZ

[Falcon]

It would appear that many of you at HJG are "long overdue for a Break". Again thank you all at HJG for what you do for the Sim community.
Falcon, aka Denny H

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Hi..

I still use everyday CS's 727 and 707 in my good ol' FS2004 and have made for them quite a few repaints and know the models from head to toe so I can give you a good detailed experience

For me the CS 707 is marvelous, it handles very very well but there are some issues I've corrected by myself, being:

PROS:

- Perfect modeling.. the airplane looks amazing, and it's perfectly modeled
- VC makes you feel you are in the real thing.
- Manual flying is amazing.
- knobs, buttons and selectors are very easy to use (later models like the C-130 had this ridiculous never ending loop in the HDG and CRS know when you use the  mousewheel, and also they work backward meaning wheel up, course down).
- Extremely FPS friendly.
- It wont crash or have issues even from going from Win XP to Win 10.... you can trust the 707 will install and work with no issues!
- you may say it's a CON but no FMC crap to deal with... handflying with charts in hand is possible if you are man enough

CONS:
- Full startup and procedures have to be performed in the 2d panels...( it's an old 2006 model though so it's acceptable considering age)
- Flaps drag is quite excessive when in the lower positions, power has to be very high to prevent stalling.
- Usually when you set your Fuel and cargo it goes CTD if you do it in the same screen, you have to set your fuel... load the airplane and go to settings again for the cargo load to prevent this.
- Sounds are quite unrealistic, (and I consider sound is half the simulation) hopefully installing the HJG soundpacks for the 707 save the day and work pefectly in the CS!
- Only the Cargo model has a fully functional VC Flight Engineering panel
- Texturing: the Cargo model lacks texturing in the engines intake fan blades, most users never noticed this but since I've painted this model a lot.. I know!
- VC windows are very very reflective, easily solved by editing the textures (if you know how to)
- Lack of 720 and early 707's, hushkit equipped and maybe those CFM engines military 707's (reason why I ended up in HJG)
- NO EPR settings... you can never kill those engines by overheat!

But don't be fooled, the 707 is worth the money!! and darn it's cheap.. i think it's like 15 bucks!! you will have endless hours of fun with it just like me... I highly highly recommend the CS 707 despite it's drawbacks... but hey! that airplane came up when FS2004 was new so it's been quite a long time and can't compare with the fancy planes of today... the good ol' 707 will do it's job and you will love it. just like me!! I even uploaded a new repaint for it a few weeks ago...  makes me wonder... Am i the only one in the world flying the CS FS9 707?

If you wanna go to the older classics like the 720 also like me... hit the HJG download button! I'd say the HJG models fly and handle better than the CS my only complaint is the lack of VC since I was used to the VC since the beginning of FS9. but hey! at least the MADE great quality models for us to fly for free... so thanks HJG.

Have some good 4 engines fun!!

Rodo

[Nathan Ford - HJG]

Thanks for the great review Rodo

Nathan