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Post by Herman on Jun 24, 2017 21:23:56 GMT
Wanted to try the 707-700 in FSX.
Following installation according to instructions I tried loading the aircraft and FSX crashed immediately.
After doing some testing and research I found that one of the core files gauges (707-late.gauge) was causing the CTD. Once this gauge was removed the aircraft loaded OK, however, now the panel was missing quite a number things. I am using George Carty's 707-700 panel.
Loading the same aircraft into FS9 and including all the panel core file gauges all worked well. So it appears that the core file gauge (707-late.gauge) is the issue here, in FSX at least.
Has anyone else, using FSX experienced this problem???
Herman
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jun 24, 2017 22:31:19 GMT
You're the first to report it .... so far as I'm aware. I (somehow) doubt it's the panel or its gauges set .... by simple virtue of the fact the panel hasn't been updated since 2007 and the gauges set similarly not updated since 2010 and with no reports of such an issue since. I think the first thing to do is check you have the current gauges set. There's 3 gauges associaed with the entire B707 PANEL CORE FILES package and which are named (and more importantly dated) as follows .... 707-120.gau Saturday, 5 June 2010, 8:04:38 a.m. 707-320.GAU Saturday, 5 June 2010, 8:52:58 p.m. 707-LATE.GAU Saturday, 5 June 2010, 8:56:42 p.m. Check the 3 gauges files you're using each feature "last modified dates and times" that correspond precisely with the above data .... and if they don't, then, redownload and reinstall the current package .... but .... if you do so, then, first manually delete each of the 3 B707 gauges files you already have installed, and then, reinstall the current ones .... "DO NOT" ovewrite the previously existing files when you go to install/reinstall. Although these panels (like everything else we offer) are FS2004 native (intended for use with that particular FS version) .... these B707 panels (like the majority of our other panel offerings barring a few) "are FSX portable". Again there's (should be) no issues there at all ..... "that I'm aware of" at least. The only hinderance associated with using any of these B707 panels in FSX is our prescribed (FS9 based) engine startup procedure "WILL NOT" work .... forcing one to have to use the default FSX auto engine startup procedure .... however that works. I do recall you reporting CTD's (or was it lockups) using FSX last year. Therefore might this "CTD" (as you describe it) be part'n'parcel of the condition that caused that previous experience ? I'm "not" saying this's indeed the case, but, merely suggesting it should be considered ALSO .... is it possible the gauge set you're using may have been corrupted too .... OR .... are you applying any other form of FS mananagement programs (weather, flight planning, or ATC themes etc) that require "pre configuration with a selected FS aircraft prior to it actually being loaded into FS" ? This should be considered too .... and at the very least a redownloading and reinstallation of the entire gauges content of the CORE FILES package attempted, but, undertaken precisely as described above .... no overwriting of files. ANOTHER THING TO BEAR IN MIND ALSO .... and this's something we, nor any other freeware group or commercial supplier, can guarantee .... what works well on one or any number of other systems may not necessarily work so well on another system given the huge variability that exists among among system configurations today. Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by Herman on Jun 25, 2017 15:17:02 GMT
OK, thank you Mark for your reply. I will re-download the panel core files,check the dates and re-install as suggested.
Yes, I did have lock ups\freeze ups with my original FSX installation , but after purchasing and installing FSX "Steam Edition" these issues were resolved completely. However, it is possible that the present issues with the 707-700 panel gauges is related to FSX Steam.
I will report back.
Herman
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jun 25, 2017 20:43:14 GMT
There should be no issues at all .... "that I'm aware of" .... in regard to the portabilily of those FSX portable HJG simulations (panels/gauges primarily) to FSX STEAM EDITION.
Past forum feedback has tended to confirm this to be the case.
ALSO .... make sure you're using our "B707-700" panel version and none other
Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by Herman on Jun 26, 2017 16:21:02 GMT
Followed all recommendations, but still getting a CTD as soon as the aircraft starts loading into FSX Steam.
As mentioned before the problem appears to be the 707-late gauge... when this gauge is removed, the aircraft with the 707-700 loaded OK, but missing a lot of gauges, because of the abscence of that gauge file.
I am also getting a problem report which states that "Smartassembly" is required.Whatever that means??
I also have the HJG 727 and DC-8-62 & 72 installed in the system,and there have been no issues with them.
I did install another 707 Panel obtained at flightsim, and it worked just fine....so I am still suspicious of that 707-late gauge not being compatable with FSX Steam....somehow???
Cheers; Herman
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jun 26, 2017 22:26:11 GMT
Since those files were last updated during 2010 .... some 6 years ago .... you're the first to report such.
I can't relate to SMARTASSEMBLY" .... since there's no such requirement for any HJG simulation/file offering
In the absence anything more defining .... my last comment, within my first reply to this particular thread, may come into play .... it "can" happen .... and when it does happen it can also be incredibly difficult (sometimes impossible) to try'n troubleshoot due huge variability that now exists among among system configurations today.
As I've previously stated in regard to those files we offer that are FSX portable .... there'x no known incompatibility with FSX STEAM EDITION .... "that I've been informed of at least".
I can't offer any solution or further advice ..... I'm sorry .... BUT .... knowing your what your system specifications are might be helpful to someone else trying to analyse this issue.
Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by Nathan Ford - HJG on Jun 27, 2017 8:53:11 GMT
Hey Herman, Re your Smart-ass embly (sorry I couldn't resist) do the following.... Make sure required Microsoft.net Framework Packages are installed and up-to-date - The appropriate Microsoft.net Framework packages are normally installed when you first install FSX/Acceleration/P3D and commercial add-on programs if the appropriate package is not found. You will need versions 1.1 through the latest. You can see what versions are installed by going to your Windows Explorer and look for Windows/Microsoft.net/Framework/(then the versions installed). Once the packages are installed, Windows Update will periodically update the packages. You can verify whether your versions are properly installed and up-to-date by using the .Net Framework Setup Verification Tool User's Guide. Microsoft.net packages are used by developers to make sure the program runs in the way they intended, including memory management. The packages are, for the most part, not backward compatible. Cheers, Nathan. p.s. I will check the 707-700 cockpit on FSX Acceleration and FSX Steam Edition after work tomorrow
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Post by Herman on Jun 27, 2017 14:51:01 GMT
Mark....thank you for your input. Not to worry...since I have the 707-700 installed in FS9 (all is OK there) I can fly the aircraft in FS9. I just wanted to bring up the issue experiencing in FSX Steam in case someone else has this problem.
Nathan...thank you for your input also. I will have a look at the Microsoft.net Framework installations.
Cheers; Herman
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Post by Nathan Ford - HJG on Jun 28, 2017 7:58:10 GMT
Hi Herman, I installed the B707-700 into FSX Steam Edition this afternoon with the panel, core files and sounds and it loaded up straight away. I'm wondering though, did you delete the fs2004 panel.cfg and rename the panel_fsx.cfg in B707-700 folder in fsfsconv?
Cheers,
Nathan
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Post by Herman on Jun 28, 2017 14:58:36 GMT
Yes Nathan, I do recall doing that, but I will check it again.
Cheers; Herman
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Post by Vitor (SBNF) on Nov 18, 2018 17:39:55 GMT
Today I'm in a similar trouble. After 500+ hours flying the 707-320C in FS9 I decided to try FSX-SE but it crashes every time I load de HJG 707. It's a little diferent because I returned the panel and sounds to the default (B734) and it still crashes. The problem seems to be at sound.dll, but it occurs only trying to fly the 707.
- <Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event"> - <System> <Provider Name="Application Error" /> <EventID Qualifiers="0">1000</EventID> <Level>2</Level> <Task>100</Task> <Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords> <TimeCreated SystemTime="2018-11-18T16:29:11.943242600Z" /> <EventRecordID>31577</EventRecordID> <Channel>Application</Channel> <Computer>DESKTOP-MP7EH2J</Computer> <Security /> </System> - <EventData> <Data>fsx.exe</Data> <Data>10.0.62615.0</Data> <Data>559f9a9a</Data> <Data>sound.dll</Data> <Data>10.0.62615.0</Data> <Data>559f9ab6</Data> <Data>c0000005</Data> <Data>000239b8</Data> <Data>bd8</Data> <Data>01d47f5b1857a8c6</Data> <Data>D:\Steam\steamapps\common\FSX\fsx.exe</Data> <Data>D:\Steam\steamapps\common\FSX\sound.dll</Data> <Data>690a8fe0-30e6-4001-9b1c-e6a64a2b303c</Data> <Data /> <Data /> </EventData> </Event>
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Nov 18, 2018 20:54:56 GMT
The SOUND.DLL "we provide" for some of our simulations "is not" part of any of our B707 panels/simulations (these file don´t require it) .... so there is no, or should be no, connection there at all.
Yours is only the 2nd such report we´ve had since the gauges/core files for these panels were last updated during 2010 .... 8 years ago.
I doubt your issue might be related to the original report on this thread though .... and as you, yourself, suggest your issue is "different" .... by virtue of the fact that you´re apparently "NOT" using the panel and sounds we provide (whereas we understand the author of the original report was using these) yet, you say, you´re still experiencing the CTD .... and which suggests another factor is at play in your case.
Even if you were using, or have used, our recommended panel/gauges I very much doubt these would be the cause of your issue given the knowledge we´ve accumulated in regard to these over the past 8 years and in relation to both FS2004 and FSX .... BUT .... it must also be understood that we can´t guaruntee faultless performance of everything we offer and on everyone´s system due to the enormous variability that exists among systems today.
CTD´s can be among the most difficult and frustrating issues to try to resolve .... given there´a multiude of reasons why these might occur .... and which, in the absence of any known common denominator, can be almost impossible to try´n pin-point.
We note you report though.
I do have the following queries for you to answer though ....
1. Are you running any other FS programs/utilities (weather, navigation, load and fuel planning etc) with our B707 simulations ? I "do" recall a couple of reports during the past 8 years that seemed to suggest some of these programs/utilities may be problematic with some of our simulations.
2. When you load our B707´s into FS .... are you first loading "the default FS CESSNA" (por other default FS aircraft type), and then letting it stabilize in FS "before" selecting, and loading, our B707 simultions of choice ?
Mark C BOG/CO
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Nov 19, 2018 9:18:00 GMT
Just as "a matter of curiosity" ....
Which particular B707 texture were you attempting to load when the CTD occurred ?
Please state aircraft type, airline livery, and aircraft registration too.
I want to investigate whether or not it possible your CTD migh have occurred due to an incorrectly formatted texture BMP .... it can, and has, happened, and would result in a CTD when one attempts to load the implicated texture into FS.
Get back to us please.
Mark C BOG/CO
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Nov 21, 2018 2:21:57 GMT
Can you get back to us in regard this/the actual texture you we vuing when the CTD occurred .... if you´re around still ?
Mark C BOG/CO
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Post by Vitor (SBNF) on Nov 21, 2018 12:39:31 GMT
I'm working really hard this week and as soon as possible I'll provide the answers you are asking. Adulthood drives us crazy sometimes.
I am a great admirer of your work and thank you in advance for your help and concern to help everyone
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