Boeing 727 - takeoff calls at the wrong time (FSX)

[lmhariano]

Hi everyone! As another chapter in my switch to FSX (and due to the incompatibility of my beloved Dreamfleet 727), I installed the HJG 727 into FSX-SE. Everything works in the same way as it did in FS9 (before I switched to DF), except for the V-speed callouts (80 knots/V1/Rotate). Somehow they manage to start sounding one after another, just after passing V2. The radio height callouts work OK. Is it there a a way to correct this behavior?

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

"Prior to T/O" .... Did you click the center of the ASI gauge in order to set its speed bugs to their correct/auto-calculated settings in accordance with both your selected flap setting and simulated aircraft weight ?

From memmory .... there are about 3 T/O flap setting options as I recall, so, assuming flaps 25 is pphysically selected .... then you´d then also need to click the ASI about 3 times (I think it is) in order to set the ASI speed bugs in accordance with this flap setting and simulated aircraft weight.

It´s this action (setting the ASI speed bugs) which triggers the T/O call-outs.

Doing this (correctly) will/"should" solve your issue

The same must/should be done "prior to" landing too .... and "priot to" selecting landing flaps .... which I think (again from memory) are a maximum of 30* or 35* on most of our B727´s .... except for the LEAPS modified -200´s which have a maximum T/O flap setting of 20*, and amaximim landing flap setting of 25*, and which also require the correct correspondig LEAPS version panel/s to be applied to these base packs in order to enable this.

Mark C
BOG/CO

[lmhariano]

Thanks Mark. I did click on the center of the ASI gauge for setting the V-speeds (I use Flaps 15, so I click only once), but I still have the problem.
The thing is that the "80 knots" callout should sound at, well, 80 knots... but it actually does so at the calculated V2; followed immediately by "V1" and then "Rotate". It's barely 2 seconds between the "80 knots" and "Rotate" callouts. That's why I'm seeing an issue.

Edit: I installed also the 727 in FS9 just for testing; the issue is not there. Only in FSX-Steam.

[Falcon]

I think that it may be a steam issue. I went back to the boxed FSX Acceleration due to many quirks I didn't like with steam. There are some cheats one can do to the cfg file. Some of the settings can be used in the boxed version from Steam. Just be careful and back up your cfg before testing.
Falcon, aka Denny

[lmhariano]

Which cfg, Falcon? Aircraft.cfg or FSX.cfg?

[Nathan Ford - HJG]

it sounds like the same as the issue I had a couple of years ago, unfortunately I never found the culprit that was causing the issue. The only thing that solve it for me is the exact opposite to Falcon. I got rid of Acceleration and installed steam. It sounds to me that there must be some other addition, scenery, aircraft, utilities etc that is causing it.

Cheers,
Nathan

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

Just 1 clarifiction I need to make ....

The "80 KTS" V-speed call out should be auto-triggered when acelarating through that speed .... 80 KTS.

The "V1" and "ROTATE" callouts should be/are normally auto-triggered "almost simulataneously" with these B727 simulations (I notice this on A320 simulations too) .... in accordnbce with the ASI speed bug settings and in conjunction withthe selected flap setting and simulated aircraft weight.

I can´t vouch for the integrety of this feature in FSX other than saying .... (1) these B727 panels are FSX portable .... and (2) I don´t recall (at this moment) any queries concerning this feature having previously been discussed .... unless I´ve missed or othwerwie forgottn it.

There "is" a B727 expansion planned .... not for 2018 (what remains of this year) release though, so, we will bear this detail in mind.

Whether o not we can fix it, it anything needs being fixed at all, remains to be seen.

When we don´t have the necessary/desirable source code for any imported (not HJG produced) simulation then some things can get complicated .... as we then have to "feel our way" through the data we have available to us.

Mark C
BOG/CO

[lmhariano]

Mark, I'll summarize my issue:

1) In FS9, the plane works as you described. However, in FSX:

2)

Nov 25, 2018 11:55:26 GMT aerofoto - HJG Admin said:

The "80 KTS" V-speed call out should be auto-triggered when acelarating through that speed .... 80 KTS.

It happens at V2.

3)

Nov 25, 2018 11:55:26 GMT aerofoto - HJG Admin said:

The "V1" and "ROTATE" callouts should be/are normally auto-triggered "almost simulataneously" with these B727 simulations (I notice this on A320 simulations too) .... in accordnbce with the ASI speed bug settings and in conjunction withthe selected flap setting and simulated aircraft weight.

It also happens at V2.

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

I understand your issue

I was merely stating (for the record/for everyone benefit) how those callouts are "supposed" to function .... with the V1 and ROTATE callots (in particular) ocurring almost "simulataneously" once trigered and not spaced as is the case with some simulation using the same, or a similar,T/O v-speed utility

The rest (so far as our "future intentions" are concerned) is as I last mentioned

Mark C
BOG/CO

[lmhariano]

Understood. I'll stay tuned