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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Dec 1, 2007 2:38:42 GMT
Being away for most of today I've only ljust caught up with the last 5 postings in particular .... and I do entirely support Dan's sentiments.
My following comments are "GENERAL" and not implied toward anyone at all ....
Aviation is a relatively sophisticated business and HJG have always tried to reflect this in the aircraft panels we release .... even if that means providing a very lengthy/comprehensive manual.
Extensive though this BAe 146 manual may be, I'm confident once folk invest in a little time to study it, understanding and flying this marvelous new aircraft and panel will become intuitive with experience .... and all the more enjoyable for it too. I'm grateful to panel mastercraftsman Mathias LEIBRECHT for both the manner in which he's gone out of his way to ensure the best possible authenticity for this panel, and suppòrting it with such a comprehensive manual .... for what is undoubtedly "THE VERY BEST AND MOST AUTHENTIC BAe 146 TYPE" panel package currently available for FS.
Mark C BOG/CO
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Post by cflyn on Dec 1, 2007 4:18:46 GMT
As we all know, there are many facets to flight simming, which allows each of us to pursue and develop our individual interests and preferences. This wouldn't be possible without the contributions of masters like Matthias Lieberecht. I personally am very grateful for the many contributors who take flight simming to levels I could never reach and to those who respect their work and everyone's individual preferences. It’s the least I can do for the community. Virtual pilots spend many hours in front of aircraft panels. It's how we play the game. I personally enjoy complex panels; the more realistic the panel, the more realistic the game. In my case, I have spent over 700 hours in the air with Matthias' panels with great enjoyment. In my view, he is a treasure to the hobby and will add greatly to the HLG world. Thanks Matthias.
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Post by matthiasl on Dec 2, 2007 18:55:19 GMT
Hi All,
First of all I really have to say thank you very much for all the kind words. Those words recompense all the working time which is in the panel.
The BAe 146 panel is no panel for 5 minute flights. It is done especially for those flightsimmers who want to know more about the real aircraft and its systems. Who are willing to spend some minutes just for learning how everything works. It's not a ctrl + E panel.
Nevertheless there are very good alternates for those you like the aircraft but don't want to go through a start-up procedure or for those who are not interested in controlling any system. Just search for BAe 146 panel on Avsim and you will find a lot of good panels beside this one.
Best Regards Matthias
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Post by jonarnz on Dec 2, 2007 19:11:23 GMT
A point that those considering alternative panels might want to consider is that the VC is being built entirely around Matthais's panel. What this means is if you choose to install an alternative you wont be able to use the VC once released.
Its important people understand that Matthias's panel and my model are not separate entities, they go together.
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Post by sentry50 on Dec 2, 2007 19:37:27 GMT
It seems everyone has gone off the deep end of this thread and is trying to crucify me for asking for an easier way to start. And the answer was yes, and I'm grateful. And that's the end of the conversation. NEVER did I say I didn't like the panel...contrar! I, too respect the time and effort that went into it. I think it's quite extraordinary to be able to start engines just like on the real thing...It's an interesting procedure. And my qualifications as a mechanic to run engines on E-3's, and in the past, 737s and 707s, only makes it more of a challenge to try and do it. It is very realistic and again, I say Kudo's to Matthias' panel.
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Post by Dan K. Hansen on Dec 2, 2007 22:24:12 GMT
Hi Chris I do not think it was for your question of an easier way to start, it was more to the response to those replies that underline that it was written in the manual. And when you also implied that you didn't had the time to read it through, and at the same time stated that you also had a real life, it was simply put out that you might have forgotten that all the developers ALSO have a "normal" life besides FS. That's all. No-one here has any interest in crucifying anyone. My answer was merely written in response to the tone in your reply. I presume that all now is bliss and I hope you will have fun flying the BAe 146. And IF you find the time to read the manual, I think you'll find that it is very well written. And you might also get a trick or two out of it. Happy skies.
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Post by Tony Madge - HJG on Dec 3, 2007 10:35:29 GMT
sorry if you thought it was a "witch hunt" I guess FS can be an emotive thing, ask Dan and me about FSX ;D Seriously though I understand where your coming from as I like to jump and fly sometimes when time is tight. So I decided to do two things run the 146 in the proper set up with sounds/panel etc and also run another 146 set up with a fly quick panel off Avsim, just for the short on time flights I agree with Jon's reply As to get the best from this model is keeping the two together. I have the best of both worlds now ;D
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Post by sentry50 on Dec 3, 2007 23:11:24 GMT
I do like the panel and have no intention of getting another. I am happy with the 'secret' autostart.
I'm sorry if it sounded snotty. I must watch my 'tone' when I type things out here. I was only trying to say that I am one that just enjoys flying and sometimes get frustrated at very complicated panels...plus I didn't want to print out 163 pages of manual so I could have a ready referance...I'd run out of ink! (Maybe I'll take it to work and copy it???...Hmmm?)
G'day!
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Post by matthiasl on Dec 4, 2007 21:41:00 GMT
Hello Chris, Thank you very much for your compliment. I'm very happy that you could live with the autostart button. It was planned especially for such situations. About the manual: I underrstand what you mean. The more pages such a manual has, the less people want to read it, because of their free time or maybe some other reasons. Unfortunately I didn't have another way to describe all functions. Since a long time I'm planning to add a random failure generator to the BAe 146 and ARJ panel. Just a small menu where you could switch it on or off. When this generator is on, it creates a failure after a random time (could also be three or four flights later). This could be an electrical, hydraulical or fuel failure or anything else. In this case it's important to know the panel because in some cases you need information also about the backup systems. But those are just dreams of the future at the moment I wish you a lot of fun with the panel. Best Regards Matthias
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Post by Mike Monce - HJG on Dec 5, 2007 12:39:37 GMT
A random failure mode would be great. However, I've always wanted such a mode running constantly in the background but that also reflects real world probabilities. All the failure modes I've seen one either knows it's coming, or they happen too frequently. I know that's great for training, but I might train a bit harder if I didn't know what was coming and when, or maybe even never.
Mike
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