707-320C not installing

concorde CV-990 Posts: 15	707-320C not installing Feb 8, 2008 20:17:10 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by concorde on Feb 8, 2008 20:17:10 GMT I put all the neccassary info in the CFG file I put the 747-400 panel and it doesn't work I did this in the fsx cfg file

jimhalinda B727 Posts: 472	707-320C not installing Feb 8, 2008 20:56:53 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by jimhalinda on Feb 8, 2008 20:56:53 GMT Did you rename aircraft_fsx.cfg to aircraft.cfg (first deleting the FS9 aircraft.cfg file)?

aerofoto - HJG Admin Administrator Global Moderator Posts: 19,067	707-320C not installing Feb 8, 2008 21:50:04 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Feb 8, 2008 21:50:04 GMT Also .... precisely which B707-320C file are we talking about here ? Mark C AKL/NZ
	HJG B707, B717-200, B720, B727, B737, BAC 1-11, BAe 146/ARJ, C135, C1K, CARAVELLE, COMET, CONCORDE, CV880, CV990, DC-8, DC-9, DC-10, TRIDENT, L-1011, MD-80/-90, MERCURE, & VC10 RATED. I know you think you understand what you thought I said but what you thought you heard is not what I meant !

concorde CV-990 Posts: 15	707-320C not installing Feb 8, 2008 21:58:42 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by concorde on Feb 8, 2008 21:58:42 GMT oh no let me try

concorde
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707-320C not installing Feb 8, 2008 22:06:24 GMT

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Post by concorde on Feb 8, 2008 22:06:24 GMT

Yes I just changed that but it didn't work and I am talking about the passanger model not the canadian one. But I just still can't get it to work I've added a few textures to the airplane such as

Aer lingus
American
Monarch
Transworld cargo

I started the cfg with a 1-4 here is what it looks like

// Add your [fltsim.xx] sections here.
// Remember to start with 0 (zero).
// Copyright Historic Jetliners Group. No uploading of HJG materials to any website without prior approval.

[fltsim.1]
title=HJG B707-320C Trans World Airlines 1977
sim=B707-320C
model=
panel=
sound=
texture=trans_world_airlines_1977_331c_n15713
kb_checklists=boeing707-320c_check
kb_reference=boeing707-320c_ref
visual_damage=1
description=HJG Boeing 707-320C
ui_manufacturer=Boeing
ui_type=707-320C
ui_variation=Trans World Airlines (1977)
atc_id=N15713
atc_airline=TWA
atc_flight_number=703
atc_heavy=0
atc_parking_codes=TWA
atc_parking_types=CARGO,GATE,RAMP

[fltsim.2]
title=HJG B707-348C Aer Lingus 'Hybrid' (1977)
sim=B707-320C
model=
panel=
sound=
texture=aer_lingus_707-348c_ei-anv_1977
kb_checklists=
kb_reference=
visual_damage=1
description=HJG Boeing 707-320C. Repaint By Ben Hartmann of HJG.
ui_manufacturer=Boeing
ui_type=707-320C
ui_variation=Aer Lingus 'Hybrid' (1977)
atc_id=EI-ANV
atc_airline=AER LINGUS
atc_flight_number=348C
atc_heavy=1
atc_parking_codes=BBJ0,GA3J,DHL.UPS.FDX
atc_parking_types=CARGO,GATE,RAMP

[fltsim.3]
title=HJG B707-323C American Airlines (1970)
sim=B707-320C
model=323C
panel=
sound=
texture=american_airlines_707-323c_n8405_1970
kb_checklists=
kb_reference=
visual_damage=1
description=HJG Boeing 707-320C. Repaint By Ben Hartmann of HJG.
ui_manufacturer=Boeing
ui_type=707-320C
ui_variation=American Airlines (1970)
atc_id=N8405
atc_airline=AMERICAN
atc_flight_number=323C
atc_heavy=1
atc_parking_codes=AAL
atc_parking_types=CARGO,GATE,RAMP

[fltsim.4]
title=HJG B707-355C Monarch (1981)
sim=B707-320C
model=
panel=
sound=
texture=monarch_707-355c_g-axrs_1981
kb_checklists=
kb_reference=
visual_damage=1
description=HJG Boeing 707-320C. Repaint By Ben Hartmann of HJG.
ui_manufacturer=Boeing
ui_type=707-320C
ui_variation=Monarch (1981)
atc_id=EL-JNS
atc_airline=MONARCH
atc_flight_number=355C
atc_heavy=1
atc_parking_codes=MON,EZY,BAL,RYR
atc_parking_types=CARGO,GATE,RAMP

[General]
performance=Length: 152.9 ft\nWing span: 142.5 ft\nMGTOW: 335,000 lbs.\nPower: (4) P&W JT3D-7 @ 19,000 lbs ea\nPassengers: 121 Range: 5,350 nm\nOriginal Design: Gary Carlson\n
atc_type=BOEING AIRCRAFT
atc_model=B703

[WEIGHT_AND_BALANCE]
reference_datum_position = 0.0000, 0.0000, 0.0000 // (feet) distance from FlightSim Reference position: (1/4 chord, centerline, waterline)
empty_weight_CG_position=10.000, 0.000, 0.000
max_number_of_stations = 50
station_load.0 = "170.0, 59.0, -1.5, 0.0, Pilot"
station_load.1 = "170.0, 59.0, 1.5, 0.0, Co-Pilot"
station_load.2 = "170.0, 55.0, 1.5, 0.0, Engineer"
station_load.3 = "20.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, Crew"
station_load.4 = "20.0, 46.0, 0.0, 0.0, Fwd Galley A"
station_load.5 = "510.0, 40.0, 0.0, 0.0, Fwd Galley B"
station_load.6 = "1360.0, 29.5, 0.0, 0.0, First Class 1-8"
station_load.7 = "6120.0, 2.0, 0.0, 0.0, Coach 9-15"
station_load.8 = "10200.0, -24.5, 0.0, 0.0, Coach 16-26"
station_load.9 = "35.0, -39.0, 0.0, 0.0, Aft Galley A"
station_load.10= "30.0, -45.5, 0.0, 0.0, Aft Galley B"
station_load.11= "10000.0, 30.5, 0.0, 0.0, Forward Baggage"
station_load.12= "4000.0, -25.5, 0.0, 0.0, Aft Baggage"
empty_weight=140525.000
empty_weight_roll_MOI=7837897.000
empty_weight_pitch_MOI=15313596.000
empty_weight_yaw_MOI=14379742.000
empty_weight_coupled_MOI=1300.000
max_gross_weight=335000.797
CG_forward_limit=10.000
CG_aft_limit=1.000

[fuel]
LeftMain= 0.000, -57.575, -9.056, 439.000, 0.000 //#1 Reserve
LeftAux= 0.000, -40.600, -7.306, 2323.000, 0.000 //#1 Main
Center2= 0.000, -19.250, -4.681, 4069.000, 0.000 //#2 Main
Center1= 0.000, 0.000, -2.691, 10193.000, 0.000 //Ctr Wing
Center3=0.000, 19.250, -4.681, 4069.000, 0.000 //#3 Main
RightAux= 0.000, 40.600, -7.306, 2323.000, 0.000 //#4 Main
RightMain= 0.000, 57.575, -9.056, 439.000, 0.000 //#4 Reserve
fuel_type=2.000000
number_of_tank_selectors=1
electric_pump=0

[airplane_geometry]
wing_area=3050.000000
wing_span=145.750000
wing_root_chord=20.667
wing_dihedral=6.998
wing_incidence=1.000
wing_twist=-0.500
oswald_efficiency_factor=0.75
wing_winglets_flag=0
wing_sweep=35.000
wing_pos_apex_lon=35.000
wing_pos_apex_vert=30.000
htail_area=776.000
htail_span=45.750
htail_pos_lon=-76.917
htail_pos_vert=0.000
htail_incidence=0.000
htail_sweep=35.000
vtail_area=430.000
vtail_span=23.643
vtail_sweep=25.000
vtail_pos_lon=-70.250
vtail_pos_vert=5.833
elevator_area=194.000
aileron_area=120.600
rudder_area=73.100
elevator_up_limit=15
elevator_down_limit=10
aileron_up_limit=19.481
aileron_down_limit=14.897
rudder_limit=23.491
elevator_trim_limit=15.481
spoiler_limit=60.000
spoilerons_available=1
aileron_to_spoileron_gain=2.000
min_ailerons_for_spoilerons=5.000
min_flaps_for_spoilerons=0.000

//0 Class <0=none,1=wheel, 2=scrape, 3=float>
//1 Longitudinal Position (feet)
//2 Lateral Position (feet)
//3 Vertical Position (feet)
//4 Impact Damage Threshold (Feet Per Minute)
//5 Brake Map (0=None, 1=Left, 2=Right)
//6 Wheel Radius (feet)
//7 Steer Angle (degrees)
//8 Static Compression (feet) (0 if rigid)
//9 Max/Static Compression Ratio
//10 Damping Ratio (0=Undamped, 1=Critically Damped)
//11 Extension Time (seconds)
//12 Retraction Time (seconds)
//13 Sound Type
//14 Airspeed limit for retraction (KIAS)
//15 Airspeed that gear gets damage at (KIAS)

[contact_points]
//landing gear
point.0=1.000, 54.586, 0.000, -4.400, 1874.803, 0.000, 2.136, 60.000, 0.897, 0.800, 0.500, 5.000, 6.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000
point.1=1.000, -3.083, -10.017, -6.400, 1874.803, 1.000, 3.536, 0.000, 1.500, 0.800, 0.580, 8.200, 9.200, 2.000, 275.000, 300.000
point.2=1.000, -3.083, 10.017, -6.400, 1874.803, 2.000, 3.536, 0.000, 1.500, 0.800, 0.580, 8.000, 9.000, 3.000, 275.000, 300.000

//scrape
point.3=2.000, -27.750, -65.833, 9.833, 1574.803, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 6.000, 0.000, 0.000
point.4=2.000, -27.750, 65.833, 9.833, 1574.803, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 6.000, 0.000, 0.000
point.5=2.000, -54.250, 0.000, 5.167, 1574.803, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 9.000, 0.000, 0.000
point.6=2.000, 65.167, 0.000, 4.500, 1574.803, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 4.000, 0.000, 0.000
point.7=5.000, 12.167, 47.957, 7.642, 1600, 0, 0.00, 50.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.00, 1.0, 1.2, 0, 0.0, 0.0
point.8=5.000, 12.167, -47.957, 7.642, 1600, 0, 0.00, 50.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.00, 1.1, 1.4, 0, 0.0, 0.0

//CoG
static_pitch = -0.9 //degrees (pitch when loaded on ground)
static_cg_height=4.843 //feet, altitude of CG when at rest on the ground
gear_system_type=0

[Flaps.0]
type=1
span-outboard=0.500
extending-time=11.000
system_type=0
damaging-speed=250.000
blowout-speed=300.000
lift_scalar=0.000
drag_scalar=0.000
pitch_scalar=1.000
flaps-position.0=0.000, 0.000
flaps-position.1=14.000, 0.000
flaps-position.2=25.000, 0.000
flaps-position.3=40.000, 0.000
flaps-position.4=50.000, 0.000

[Flaps.1]
type=1
span-outboard=0.500
extending-time=11.000
system_type=0
damaging-speed=250.000
blowout-speed=300.000
lift_scalar=0.500
drag_scalar=0.000
pitch_scalar=-0.400
flaps-position.0=0.000, 0.000
flaps-position.1=26.000, 0.000
flaps-position.2=37.000, 0.000
flaps-position.3=44.200, 0.000
flaps-position.4=50.000, 0.000

[Flaps.2]
type=1
span-outboard=0.500
extending-time=11.000
system_type=0
damaging-speed=250.000
blowout-speed=300.000
lift_scalar=0.000
drag_scalar=1.000
pitch_scalar=0.000
flaps-position.0=0.000, 0.000
flaps-position.1=5.000, 0.000
flaps-position.2=10.000, 0.000
flaps-position.3=30.000, 0.000
flaps-position.4=50.000, 0.000

[GeneralEngineData]
engine_type=1
Engine.0=-17.416667, -46.500000, -2.916667
Engine.1=-1.916667, -28.083333, -3.833333
Engine.2=-1.916667, 28.083333, -3.833333
Engine.3=-17.416667, 46.500000, -2.916667
fuel_flow_scalar=1.0600000
min_throttle_limit=-0.280029

[TurbineEngineData]
fuel_flow_gain=0.002000
inlet_area=18.000000
rated_N2_rpm=29920.000000
static_thrust=19000.000000
afterburner_available=0
reverser_available=1

[Reference Speeds]
flaps_up_stall_speed=160.000000
full_flaps_stall_speed=128.000000
cruise_speed=478.698930
max_indicated_speed=370.0
max_mach=0.889000

[keyboard_response]
elevator=150.000000,250.000000
aileron=150.000000,250.000000
rudder=150.000000,250.000000

[Views]
eyepoint=61.297880,-1.563525,9.739993

[exits]
number_of_exits=2
exit_rate.0=0.4 ;Percent per second
exit_rate.1=0.2 ;Percent per second

[autopilot]
autopilot_available=1
flight_director_available=1
default_vertical_speed=1500.000000
autothrottle_available=0
autothrottle_arming_required=0
autothrottle_takeoff_ga=0
autothrottle_max_rpm=90.000000
pitch_takeoff_ga=8.000000
use_no_default_pitch = 1
use_no_default_bank = 1
default_pitch_mode =0
default_bank_mode =0
max_pitch=10.000000
max_pitch_acceleration=1.000000
max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt=2.000000
max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt=1.500000
max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt_breakpoint=20000.000000
max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt_breakpoint=28000.000000
max_bank=25.000000
max_bank_acceleration=1.800000
max_bank_velocity=3.000000
max_throttle_rate=0.100000
nav_proportional_control=9.000000
nav_integrator_control=0.250000
nav_derivative_control=0.000000
nav_integrator_boundary=2.500000
nav_derivative_boundary=0.000000
gs_proportional_control=9.520000
gs_integrator_control=0.260000
gs_derivative_control=0.000000
gs_integrator_boundary=0.700000
gs_derivative_boundary=0.000000
yaw_damper_gain=1.000000

[direction_indicators]
direction_indicator.0=3,0

[SMOKESYSTEM]
smoke.0=-17.416667, -46.500000, -2.91, fx_hjg_b707
smoke.1=-1.916667, -28.083333, -3.83, fx_hjg_b707
smoke.2=-1.916667, 28.083333, -3.83, fx_hjg_b707
smoke.3=-17.416667, 46.500000, -2.91, fx_hjg_b707

[LIGHTS]
//Types: 1=beacon, 2=strobe, 3=navigation, 4=cockpit, 5=landing
light.0=1, 0.881, 0, -0.201, fx_beaconb.fx ,
light.1=1, 13.546, 0, 14.317, fx_beaconb.fx ,
light.2=3, -31.285, -70.811, 9.110, fx_navredm ,
light.3=3, -31.285, 70.811, 9.110, fx_navgrem ,
light.4=3, -77.087, 0, 11.110, fx_navwhi ,

[brakes]
toe_brakes_scale=1.000031
parking_brake=1

[gear_warning_system]
gear_warning_available=1
pct_throttle_limit=0.099976
flap_limit_power=35.00000
flap_limit_idle=12.00000

[hydraulic_system]
electric_pumps=0
engine_map=1,1,1,1
normal_pressure=3000.000000

[stall_warning]
type=1

[attitude_indicators]
attitude_indicator.0=1

[turn_indicators]
turn_indicator.0=1,0

[flight_tuning]
cruise_lift_scalar = 1.0
parasite_drag_scalar = 1.0
induced_drag_scalar = 1.0
elevator_effectiveness = 1.0
aileron_effectiveness = 1.0
rudder_effectiveness = 1.0
pitch_stability = 1.0
roll_stability = 1.0
yaw_stability = 1.0
elevator_trim_effectiveness = 1.0
aileron_trim_effectiveness = 1.0
rudder_trim_effectiveness = 1.0

[forcefeedback]
gear_bump_nose_magnitude=3000 ; 0 - 10000
gear_bump_nose_direction=18000 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
gear_bump_nose_duration=250000 ; in microseconds
gear_bump_left_magnitude=2700 ; 0 - 10000
gear_bump_left_direction=35500 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
gear_bump_left_duration=250000 ; in microseconds
gear_bump_right_magnitude=2700 ; 0 - 10000
gear_bump_right_direction=00500 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
gear_bump_right_duration=250000 ; in microseconds
ground_bumps_magnitude1=1300 ; 0 - 10000
ground_bumps_angle1=08900 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
ground_bumps_intercept1=3.0
ground_bumps_slope1=0.20
ground_bumps_magnitude2=200 ; 0 - 10000
ground_bumps_angle2=09100 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
ground_bumps_intercept2=1.075
ground_bumps_slope2=0.035
crash_magnitude1=10000 ; 0 - 10000
crash_direction1=01000 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
crash_magnitude2=10000 ; 0 - 10000

[Radios]
Audio.1 = 1, 0
Com.1 = 1, 0
Com.2 = 1, 0
Nav.1 = 1, 0, 1
Nav.2 = 1, 0, 0
Adf.1 = 1
Adf.2 = 1
Transponder.1 = 1
Marker.1 = 1

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707-320C not installing Feb 8, 2008 22:24:07 GMT

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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Feb 8, 2008 22:24:07 GMT

I started the cfg with a 1-4

That's likely the reason why you aircraft won't display within FS.

The [fltsim.X] data should start at "0" .... then follow-on in correct numerical sequence .... "1, 2, 3" etc !

Try adjusting your CFG as bold typed below ....

[fltsim.0]
title=HJG B707-320C Trans World Airlines 1977
sim=B707-320C
model=
panel=
sound=
texture=trans_world_airlines_1977_331c_n15713
kb_checklists=boeing707-320c_check
kb_reference=boeing707-320c_ref
visual_damage=1
description=HJG Boeing 707-320C
ui_manufacturer=Boeing
ui_type=707-320C
ui_variation=Trans World Airlines (1977)
atc_id=N15713
atc_airline=TWA
atc_flight_number=703
atc_heavy=0
atc_parking_codes=TWA
atc_parking_types=CARGO,GATE,RAMP

[fltsim.1]
title=HJG B707-348C Aer Lingus 'Hybrid' (1977)
sim=B707-320C
model=
panel=
sound=
texture=aer_lingus_707-348c_ei-anv_1977
kb_checklists=
kb_reference=
visual_damage=1
description=HJG Boeing 707-320C. Repaint By Ben Hartmann of HJG.
ui_manufacturer=Boeing
ui_type=707-320C
ui_variation=Aer Lingus 'Hybrid' (1977)
atc_id=EI-ANV
atc_airline=AER LINGUS
atc_flight_number=348C
atc_heavy=1
atc_parking_codes=BBJ0,GA3J,DHL.UPS.FDX
atc_parking_types=CARGO,GATE,RAMP

[fltsim.2]
title=HJG B707-323C American Airlines (1970)
sim=B707-320C
model=323C
panel=
sound=
texture=american_airlines_707-323c_n8405_1970
kb_checklists=
kb_reference=
visual_damage=1
description=HJG Boeing 707-320C. Repaint By Ben Hartmann of HJG.
ui_manufacturer=Boeing
ui_type=707-320C
ui_variation=American Airlines (1970)
atc_id=N8405
atc_airline=AMERICAN
atc_flight_number=323C
atc_heavy=1
atc_parking_codes=AAL
atc_parking_types=CARGO,GATE,RAMP

[fltsim.3]
title=HJG B707-355C Monarch (1981)
sim=B707-320C
model=
panel=
sound=
texture=monarch_707-355c_g-axrs_1981
kb_checklists=
kb_reference=
visual_damage=1
description=HJG Boeing 707-320C. Repaint By Ben Hartmann of HJG.
ui_manufacturer=Boeing
ui_type=707-320C
ui_variation=Monarch (1981)
atc_id=EL-JNS
atc_airline=MONARCH
atc_flight_number=355C
atc_heavy=1
atc_parking_codes=MON,EZY,BAL,RYR
atc_parking_types=CARGO,GATE,RAMP

Good luck !

Mark C
AKL/NZ

HJG B707, B717-200, B720, B727, B737, BAC 1-11, BAe 146/ARJ, C135, C1K, CARAVELLE, COMET, CONCORDE, CV880, CV990, DC-8, DC-9, DC-10, TRIDENT, L-1011, MD-80/-90, MERCURE, & VC10 RATED.

I know you think you understand what you thought I said but what you thought you heard is not what I meant !

concorde CV-990 Posts: 15	707-320C not installing Feb 8, 2008 22:26:38 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by concorde on Feb 8, 2008 22:26:38 GMT Yup it worked thank you very much Cheers

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707-320C not installing Feb 8, 2008 22:33:40 GMT

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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Feb 8, 2008 22:33:40 GMT

You're welcome "CONCORDE".

Folks .... always remember to ensure your [FLTSIM.X] data entries start at "0" .... and are then numbered consecutively all the way through, or, FS will not be able to display your add-on aircraft.

Mark C
AKL/NZ

Last Edit: Feb 8, 2008 22:34:32 GMT by aerofoto - HJG Admin

HJG B707, B717-200, B720, B727, B737, BAC 1-11, BAe 146/ARJ, C135, C1K, CARAVELLE, COMET, CONCORDE, CV880, CV990, DC-8, DC-9, DC-10, TRIDENT, L-1011, MD-80/-90, MERCURE, & VC10 RATED.

I know you think you understand what you thought I said but what you thought you heard is not what I meant !

concorde CV-990 Posts: 15	707-320C not installing Feb 8, 2008 22:41:46 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by concorde on Feb 8, 2008 22:41:46 GMT I am now downloading tons of aircraft and installing them thanks once again. ;D

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707-320C not installing Feb 9, 2008 9:48:39 GMT

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Post by Dan K. Hansen on Feb 9, 2008 9:48:39 GMT

A very good clue would have been to read the 3rd. comment line in your very own dump of your aircraft.cfg file:

// Add your [fltsim.xx] sections here.
// Remember to start with 0 (zero).
// Copyright Historic Jetliners Group. No uploading of HJG materials to any website without prior approval.

Best regards
Dan

garryrussell DC-10 Posts: 956	707-320C not installing Feb 9, 2008 10:54:07 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by garryrussell on Feb 9, 2008 10:54:07 GMT You're using a 747-400 panel??? Garry

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707-320C not installing Feb 9, 2008 19:51:03 GMT

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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Feb 9, 2008 19:51:03 GMT

Not necessarily

His CFG seems to be pointing to the default PANEL folder insside the AIrcraft base Pack .... so .... it depends what's edited into that PANEL.CFG file .... which of course determmines what's going to be displayed panel-wise .... and which we don't know !

Generally speaking we insist folk install their HJG panels inside ythe FSFSCONV folder .... then alias the PANEL.CFG files inside their default Panel folders there accordingly.

In any case a number of folk prefer using simpler default panel options with their HJG aircraft

.... obviously believing our panels are just a wee bit too complex for them

.... which is fine too I guess !

Mark C
AKL/NZ

HJG B707, B717-200, B720, B727, B737, BAC 1-11, BAe 146/ARJ, C135, C1K, CARAVELLE, COMET, CONCORDE, CV880, CV990, DC-8, DC-9, DC-10, TRIDENT, L-1011, MD-80/-90, MERCURE, & VC10 RATED.

I know you think you understand what you thought I said but what you thought you heard is not what I meant !

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