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Post by chapmad1 on Sept 22, 2008 22:18:49 GMT
I am having trouble with the DC-8-63F. When I load the aircraft, there is engine sound even when the engines are shut down. I tried loading the default 747 first and hitting cntl+shift+F1 and then loading the DC-8, but no luck. Also, the only way I can shut off the starters is by using the keys that I assigned. Any help is greatly appreciated because this looks like a superior freeware aircraft.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 23, 2008 4:34:51 GMT
"NO" .... the sound ("whine") you are be hearing isn't the engines and it's quite normal/intentional ! ;D Assuming you've got the HJG DC8 panel/s and Gauges Core Files successfully installed, then what you're hearing there is avionics sound .... the "INVERTER" sound to be more precise ! That sound becomes "active" as soon any DC8 is selected from the FSX Aircraft Selection Menu (again so long as you have our panel/s and Gauges Core Files installed). The same in the case also (again intentionally) with FS2004, and FS2002 as well. This "Inverters" sound remains constant after engine shutdown too. If you've ever been aboard a DC8 (on the flighdeck in particular .... though it's also audible to a lesser extent in the PAX cacin too) then that's precisely what you'll hear, so long as the aircraft is first connected to a ground energy source .... which is precisely what we're representing per our DC8 simulation here at HJG. Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by jimhalinda on Sept 23, 2008 5:25:14 GMT
That's what I call maddening detail! The only thing I don't like about DC-8s is that noise!
Regards,
Jim
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 23, 2008 10:14:33 GMT
Take that "Inverter" sound out though and you'll then be confronted with an almost silent DC8 panel/flightdeck .... which simply isn't the way things are in reality. Maybe over the past 30 years I've just gotten too accustomed to getting "up close and personal" with these old birds. "IF" that inverter sounds bothers anyone then all they need to do is identify the DC8 panels inverters WAV file/sample .... which I think is named as follows .... DC8sw_inverters.... and just remove it from the FS "SOUNDS" folder .... SIMPLE AYE ! Doing that won't/shouldn't hurt the panel or any of its functions, but, I personally, feel those whom opt to do that will also be robbing themselves of some essential DC8 flightdeck audio ambiance/ingedients .... because as previously stated above (from my expereience at least) .... that sound is "VERY ACCURATE" .... which is why we (HJG) put it there in the first instance Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by chapmad1 on Sept 23, 2008 19:35:06 GMT
Thanks to all for the good info. I'll play around with my sound settings to try to tone it down a little. I'm looking forward to flying the DC-8 in FSX when I have time later in the week.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 23, 2008 20:46:05 GMT
If it's of any help .... but remember .... I'm FS2004 though .... I recommend that sound sliders (OPTIONS/SETTINGS/SOUND in FS2004 .... I don't know what it is in FSX) be set as follows .... ENGINES = 70 (controls the proportion of engine sound) ENVIRONMENT = 85 (controls the proportion of round roll, wind over the airframe during flight, water looping, touchdown, and crash sound) cockpit = maintain default FS setting ! (controls the proportion of avionics sounds .... like AP disconnect etc .... as well as flap, and gear sounds etc) Again .... I stress the above recommended sound slider values are perfect for FS2004 .... but .... these may require somewhat different values in FSX in orde to produce the same or similar results. You're going to need to fiddle here .... to some extent .... because there's usually some variation in the default proportions of controllable volumes between FS versions. That inverter sound becomes most prominent when the engines are shutdown. Whilst engines are idling it's a little less audible. And when airborne, or in the cruise, it will barely be audible. Most people whom first comment with concern regarding this little piece of audio ambiance eventually get used to it .... as they begin to appreciate the authenticity of what it represents. Rather than remove the WAV sample completely (which is the only other option) try my recommended sound slider positions anyway .... though I'd be inclined to focus on the "cockpit" slider setting only. Adjusting this slider may alter the proportion of its volume over ort below everything else .... but .... probably not by much. See how ya go anyway ! Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by jimhalinda on Sept 24, 2008 0:33:47 GMT
Mark,
Wouldn't the crew all have headsets on, which I would imagine would dampen the 'ambient' sounds somewhat? I know that they don't cut out a lot, but it would certainly help.
One problem I have with some of these 'vintage' (read: loud) soundsets is that my ATC is drowned out even when I turn ATC up to 100%. This happens with some of the early (non-HJG) jets I have. I would imagine that a flight crew wearing headphones would always be able to hear ATC louder than most other sounds around them.
As a result, I've had to turn down some of the other sound levels just so I can hear the ATC.
Regards,
Jim
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 24, 2008 1:49:41 GMT
Perhaps I should have clarified things here .... to try'n be more specific I can only speak from my experience aboard our/AIR NZ DC8's .... SERIES 52's (when we had them) .... and the HAWAIIAN AIRLINES DC8-63 (whilst they had it) .... aboard both of which I was fortunate enough to be able spend lengthy periods "up front" with the crew. I've done the same .... many times over .... on DC10's, B727's, B737's, B747's, and B767's as well .... so .... I'm only commenting on the basis of what I've personally experienced .... On the DC8 flightdeck .... that inverter sound isn't overly noisey .... it's just something that's loud enough for the observant to be conscious of running in the background .... certainly, so far as I'm concerned at least, our FS volume for that particular WAV file (and others' we've done too) is about right/what it should be However .... I'm also conscious too (on the basis of a few (very few indeed) other peoples reports) that on some systems some sounds may playback louder .... though I've never actually experienced that myself and despite the multitude of different systems I've played with just in the general course of helping out different folk here, so, that automatically makes me wonder if not some folk a panicking by virtue of the fact that they're either unfamiliar with flightdeck ambiance, or, just unaccustomed to it within FS. Not unless they put ATC on the overhead speakers .... like some do .... and in any case crews can communicate with each other quite comfortably without headsets on and above any avionics background noise .... or through the headset system itself too if they desire .... as indeed I've done on B737-200's and a few older noisey aircraft like the G21 GOOSE on any a number of occasions when I've been allowed to .... and even allowed to fiddle with the overhead volume knobs in the case of B737-200's too. I've shouldn't imagine that avionics sounds on any flightdeck are ever of sufficient volume as to interfere with ability to be able to hear/understand ATC or even crew comunication with each other .... unless of course the flight is going so bloody wrong that the POOH really starts hitting the fan (which I've never experienced .... yet) and all manner of other warnings/alarms start activating over everyone elses communication ;D Wearing headsets (in the old days) for long periods of time .... particularly in the cruise (from what I've been told) tended to be a somewhat irritatingly noisey experience on account of static reception. I know a lot of crews on very long hauls (like AKL/LAX) don't maintain their headsets at all. If they miss a call ATC can phone them (it certainly wakes one up when the phone starts ringing at around 03:00 in the morning whilst at FL370 somewhwere way out over the Pacific Ocean .... as I've experienced at least once when Nandi/Fiji ATC wanted to talk to our crew) .... or .... ATC can also send crews a TELEX/TEXT type message too .... which may additionally be printed out aboard the aircraft (which I've also experienced on the LAX/LON route) upon receipt .... aboard B747-400's I'm talking about here. That .... I appreciate .... could be a problem ! I guess one then really needs to prioritize (in these circumstances at least) .... do they want reasonably authentic aircraft sound/volume, or, prioritize the level of ATC volume over everything else .... just so that ATC instructions may be clearly heard/understood. Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by jimhalinda on Sept 24, 2008 15:15:01 GMT
Mark,
Thanks for the real-world info!
Turning things down to hear ATC isn't necessary with the HJG jets - until now I've always kept my sliders in the default positions. The DC-8 inverter sound isn't too loud, it's just annoying! But I appreciate the realism.
The soundpacks I've downloaded for my 727-200 and 737-200 are just too loud, those are the ones where I can't hear ATC. They sound great, I just think it can't have been so loud in real life that you couldn't hear ATC.
Regards,
Jim
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 24, 2008 19:05:03 GMT
Jim ....
In the case of your B727 move back (drastically if necessary) the "ENGINE" sound slider .... to reduce the proportion of engine sound your hearing .... you may then also need to reduce the "flight deck" sound slider too in that case. I'd be inclined to keep the "ENVIRONMENT" slider at it's default setting .... or .... move it up a bit. From my experience the B727 is a pretty quiet flightdeck in the cruise .... with the engines placed right down the back. Even in the PAX cabin (again from my experience .... especially during T/O) one is very conscious that all the engine noise is coming from behind .... same as on the MD80 too.
By comparison (and yet again from my experience) the B737 flightdeck is a lot noisier ..... in that the wing mounted engines can be heard quite clearly, but, still dampened considerably in the cruise (though not to the same extent as on B727) by environmental factors .... i.e. wind roar over and around the windshield and surrounding airframe.
I can only recommend you experiment by reducing .... incrementally .... the "ENGINE" sound slider in respect of these aircraft (along with the "flight deck" slider too if necessary), but, keep the "ENVIRONMENT" slider quite high.
I realize this means chopping & changing various sound proportions for different FS aircraft, but, to assist this process I maintain a log book of best observed audio settings for each one, so, when setting up any FS flying session with any aircraft all I need do (if I forget the settings) is consult my log book notes .... then move the sliders appropriately for best overall audio effect.
Remember too .... by shifting these sliders you're really only controlling the proportion (%) of audible sound for each setting versus the other rather than changing its actual raw volume.
Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by garryrussell on Sept 24, 2008 21:06:38 GMT
It would soon become routine Most aircraft load overweight So you call up the aircraft go to fuel and payload and make the adjustments While you're about it move to the sound setting and move those as well..........to do both might take all of thirty seconds One of those things that seem a pain but it's not really. Garry
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 24, 2008 23:00:31 GMT
PRECISELY ! Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by reed0427 on Jan 1, 2020 1:50:39 GMT
I have the opposite issue. I get cockpit sounds and wind noise, but no engine sound on my DC8-63F.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jan 1, 2020 2:57:28 GMT
This's a very old thread "REED0427" .... dated 2008 .... or from some 12 years ago. It's relevance has long since paled into insignificance considering all of our DC-8's and their supporting sound packs have equally long since been updated .... during 2016/some 4 years ago Always best to start a new thread rather than tagging onto an old and out of date one Have you installed our "DC-8-63 version P&W JT3D-7" sound pack ? I assume (on the strength of your earlier thread) that you're using FSX .... so .... you need to be sure the DC-8-63 version P&W JT3D-7 sound pack you download and are trying to install is indeed the "FSX" version. If you've downloaded this/the correct sound pack .... then .... I need to know where/how you have installed it .... therefore you need to describe, step by step, precisely what you've done in order to be able to identify precisely what you've done wrong Typically you must install HJG supplied aircraft sound packs (not to be confused with the sound/audio components associated with any of our panel installations and which go to completely different FS destination folders) precisely as follows .... it's "a very simple procedure" .... 1. Delete the default "Sound" folder inside the aircraft base pack.
2. Download the recommended aircraft base pack .... and extract its content of this particular ZIP to desk top or a temporary folder.
3. Among the extracted content from the recommended sound pack ZIP file there will be a folder named "SOUND" .... identify this folder.
4. After having deleted the default "Sound" folder from your aircraft base pack .... install the new "SOUND" folder (extracted from the sound pack ZIP file) to the aircraft base pack and which then replaces the deleted default "Sound" folder.This new "SOUND" folder contains all aircraft related engine and environmental audio elements and the supporting SOUND.CFG for each customized sound pack .... and must be installed "intact". When each new customized sound pack is installed make sure there's not a "SOUND" folder contained within another "SOUND" folder .... as on "some systems" such can happen when extracting the content of any ZIP file and if not detected, and installed anyway, then this will prevent FS from recognizing the intended "SOUND" folder/customized audio elements. There are "no problems at all" with any of the DC-8 audio (or any of the audio for any of our other simulations either for that matter) .... but .... everything must be installed precisely in accordance with the standard FS protocols we recommend (be it for FS2004 or FSX equally) or difficulties may/will result. The following 2 videos were produced for the current DC-8-63 files we offer and also produced in FSX too .... and reveal all is working correctly provided it's all correctly installed to start with .... internal .... www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2lxNa6nlMQ external .... www.youtube.com/watch?v=udhAt-vqZBEMark C AKL/NZ
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