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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2012 0:26:44 GMT
Let me know if the two suggested liveries on the flightsim website satisfy you and meet your expectations.
Aharon
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Post by Tony Madge - HJG on Oct 25, 2012 8:42:27 GMT
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Post by amr on Oct 27, 2012 20:26:52 GMT
I had a look at those mentioned by Aharon.
They look rather fine, but in fact, they are not just "repaints", but full packages, so mixing them with the one found here does not seem relevant.
Additionnally, the AIR file is not the same - in these downloads it rather corresponds to a (may I say) "standard" -200 version, not the "Advanced" one as found here.
I had the opportunity to discuss today with a (now retired) Air France Captain, who flew them during his career; he told me that in fact AF never had the "Advanced" version, but instead used the "standard" -200 version.
So I checked with the French aircraft registry database, and only "standard" -200 were found for AF (29 of them as Boeing 727-228), there is no "Boeing 727-228 ADV" to be found. Moreover, the latest 727 registered with (or on behalf of) AF has apparently serial number 763 - and as far as I know, the "Advanced" version started with serial number 882.
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Post by garryrussell on Oct 28, 2012 9:41:05 GMT
Not just two liveries
The short lived single blue fin flash and cheatline was also worn by at least one 727...no idea how many but I've see a pic of one in a mag at the time that livery was being introduced.
The F-GCD are listed as 228ADV and were some of the later pax 727 built in the 16**/17** build series
Some of the earlier F-GPJ were build numbers in th 8** series so 763 is nowhere near the latest -228 built
The latest I've found on a quick search is F-GCDI, Boeing 727-228ADV line number 1724
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Post by amr on Oct 28, 2012 11:49:22 GMT
OK, you should be right because I've checked that F-GCDI is mentioned as registered in 1981, at that time -200 ADV should have been in production for many years (as far as I know, the "Advanced" model was announced by Boeing in May 1971...).  What fooled me is that the type of all F-GCDx series in the database is still mentionned as "BOEING 727-228", not "BOEING 727-228 ADV" (and a search on the latter yields nothing - I don't know why). I could have been also fooled by the serial number of this particular aircraft whichis stated as "22290QD769", from which I (incorrectly ?) guessed the line number was the last three digits. You mentioned that there are other liveries as well, so as Tony stated that he could take it if Thomas gave up, this could be interesting. Sorry for all this burden, and I'll continue to wait. Thanks anyway to all that great work. |
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Post by garryrussell on Oct 28, 2012 13:34:35 GMT
They would not necessarily mention it in the database.
I check the 737 and none of the ones I checked were listed as Advanced.
They also registered Superfreighters as Bristol 170 without any references to differences in earlier type.. I checked than as I know the UK CAA registered some as Mk.31E when they were Mk.32 and I wondered if the French did similar...they were worse.
I guess it's down to who ever does the paper work and what they feel is important.
That QD769 is an odd one and from time to time I do see odd things appear in MSN like some Airbuses have a line number as well as the MSN.
This might have been some sort of internal number.
Chris Trot might be able to shed light on exactly what that means.
So easy to get thrown by a reference source and in some cases that reference gets picked up by other reference sources.
One thing I can't find is a pic of the 727 in the aborted AF livery, like the A.300 wore. I've only ever seen one pic and it was taken at LHR. perhaps there was only one and it was quickly changed.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Oct 28, 2012 19:46:30 GMT
B727-200's built and delivered "from 1972" were all ADVC's.
Boeing production records don't state "ADVC" specifically (as someone else has already stated above), but, if one is familiar with the aircrafts/B727's development history .... then "1972" becomes the date by which to "assume" ADVC status for all new deliveries of these aircraft.
A similar date/time frame probably applies in respect of the B727-200 as well, but, I can't, for the moment, recall (and no timre to check either) if it was also 1972 .... or 1975 .... or bit later .... in respect of these particular aircraft.
Mark C
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Post by thegetter on Oct 29, 2012 18:35:47 GMT
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Post by garryrussell on Oct 29, 2012 19:55:15 GMT
Ah yes...different to what I was thinking but I'm sure that's it. I well remeber it striking me as being odd and often when an airline is thuinking of a change they painted some in experimental liveries.
Thanks for that
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Post by thegetter on Oct 30, 2012 1:52:18 GMT
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Oct 30, 2012 5:07:24 GMT
He was (and he still may too) .... BUT .... the plain guts of it all is that since his desire to do it was last expressed .... he's become "EXCEPTIONALLY BUSY" as a Cabin Attendant .... and which I do know for a fact through private communications.
I go through "fits'n'start" in terms of my own, personal (non-FS) workload too .... especially since June .... BUT .... that's sometimes just the way the cookies crumble.
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2012 14:08:04 GMT
he's become "EXCEPTIONALLY BUSY" as a Cabin Attendant ... I would not be surprised. As a cabin attendant or even a pilot, I would be EXCEPTIONALLY BUSY with hot female stewardesses:)  Aharon |
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Post by thegetter on Oct 30, 2012 14:30:58 GMT
Mark,No big deal to me if it ever gets done.It's not like we all don't have many great models & paints already here at HJG!  As you know already,I come from the day of FS II,back when all we had was a Piper Archer to fly. So I for one appreciate all that we have available to us today,and I hope that everyone else appreciates what we have here at HJG and all the time and hard work that the members put in to make it happen! regards, TheGetter!  |
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Post by amr on Nov 1, 2012 8:20:10 GMT
B727-200's built and delivered "from 1972" were all ADVC's. Thanks Mark. So as all the F-BOJx and F-BPJx series were apparently built/registered between 1968 and 1971, should I then assume that they were "original" B727-200 ? Obviously, all F-GCDx series should be "ADVC" (but unfortunately I find all of them in the registry database except the one found here - F-GCDC...) : definitely NO record of it in the database, even as "cancelled" or "written off"...  Anyway, this doesn't prevent me to enjoy flying it, thanks to you all.  |
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Post by garryrussell on Nov 1, 2012 9:57:54 GMT
When the 727-228 get reported elsewhere the 'OJ and 'PJ are given as -228 and the 'CD as 228Adv
I have found a few instances on the French database of aircraft missing that definately existed.
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