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Post by irishrover63 on Nov 9, 2010 20:42:13 GMT
Can the Avro panel by Matthias be used with the BAe basic model?
What about the Eurowings payware models will the panels work with these?
I used the basic BAe 146 with the Blue 1 livery from this site and noticed that the wing spoilers did not deploy on landing although the tail spoiler did, is this normal?
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Nov 9, 2010 21:56:47 GMT
The panel provided by us is intended to be used with the ARNZ BAe/ARJ models only .... and only FDE available from this website.
If you use this panel with another model version .... or .... other non-HJG supplied FDE .... then you'll likely start finding things not working.
I'm not sure what the case is regarding wing spoiler deployment and it possibly conficting with the large rear fuselage air brakes on these aircraft .... since "THESE" aircraft represent those of the HJG inventory which I actually know the least about.
Probably not .... at least not if you want complete compatibility .... for those reasons stated above.
The panel will likely appear with your FS payware aircraft .... BUT .... assuming you're also then using the FDE same supplied with that product too, then you'll likely find that engine gauges readings mayend up being "out to hell" .... and other things might not work too .... all due to the obvious model/panel/FDE incompatibility in such a case.
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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Post by irishrover63 on Nov 11, 2010 17:21:56 GMT
Thanks for your reply Mark.
I'm still a bit confused as to the two panel versions available, I have downloaded the basic BAe aircraft from this site and the different liveries and have them working fine with Matthias's BAe 146 panel. Now I would like to fly with the same liveries, but use Matthias's Avro panel, but I don't know if I have to put the files in the same folder as the BAe aircraft as I think this may cause a conflict. How would I go about this?
Also the sound file in Jon Murchison's aircraft states:alias=B737_400\sound
how do I know if I am using Matthias's sound file as I followed the installation to the letter and noticed he stated not to use the standard default sound?
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Nov 11, 2010 20:19:34 GMT
We have only Mathias LEIBRECHT's BAe 146 vesion panel currently on offer here. He did do an ARJ specific version too .... featuring a different engine instrument configuration on the main panel, but, because we don't host it, I/we/HJG can't assist you with support for that particular product. Needless to say though .... that this ARJ panel is not too fundamentally different from the BAe 146 panel. So far as I am aware .... both panel versions can be installed together. The panel sound components may be the same/similar, but, from my memory, all, if not most of, the panel gauges components are named differently, so the overwriting of anything should pose any problems for either panel version. The installation routine for both panels should be precisely the same .... which from memory .... requires that all Panel Gauges be installed inide FS "GAUGES" folder .... and that all Panel Sounds be installed inside the FS "SOUNDS" folder (not the Sound folder contained within your aircraft base pack). Again .... you should be able to use both panel versions together .... and both panel versions with the aircraft base packs we offer here too ! So far as I'm aware none of Mathias's BAe/ARJ private panel releases, or Jon MMURCHISON's (ARNZ) aircraft releases have ever featured a custom soundpack .... although I did authorise Mathias to use the AEROMUSICA soundpack (compiled by myself and Benoit PLAMONDON) long before these aircraft ever took up permanent residence here at HJG. If any of Mathias's releases do feature this/my soundpack then it will be basically the same one as is offered here .... BUT .... I'd recommend you download and install the newer soundpack version which we offer here .... simply because it'll be a more recent/updated version. Both BAe and ARJ aircraft can use the same AEROMUSICA/HJG soundpack. Failing this .... you should find that the Sound folders within each of the BAe/ARJ aircraft base packs we offer here feature SOUND.CFG files aliased to the default MSFS B737-400 sound .... which is terrible and highly inappropriate for these aircraft .... but .... which is also a standard FS audio convension. There's no mistaking the 2 audio versions. Again .... swap the default sound for that provided within the soundpack we offer "HERE" .... and you should then end up being as happy as a pig in POOH  ;D Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by irishrover63 on Nov 12, 2010 2:04:19 GMT
I have updated the sound files with the files from this site and will try tomorrow, but I still can't understand how you can have the two panels in one, when you select an aircraft from the menu they are normally BAe146-300's, so how would you differentiate the aircraft with the ARJ panel? If I use a Jon Murchison aircraft e.g. BAe146-200QT, then I have to install the .air files provided by Matthias in order to see his panel, so what I am trying to say is that you can't have two sets of .air files in the same folder.
I am talking about the same Matthias that has the BAe panel project website in these posts.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Nov 12, 2010 2:13:51 GMT
EASY ! Just install both panel versions, individually, inside the same aircraft base pack folder along with everything else, but, before you do that be sure to rename each of these 2 panel folders differently .... and then .... make sure you enter those precise same panel file names into the PANEL= data line on your AIRCRAFT.CFG .... for each addon aircraft entry which you might want to display that particular panel with. Here's what I did .... I renamed my BAe 146 panel folder as follows .... panel.bae.... meaning the PANEL= data line in the AIRCRAFT.CFG file for each aircraft I want to use this panel with must then read .... panel=baeThen for the ARJ panel version I did something similar too .... renaming that particular panel folder to read as follows .... panel.arj.... meaning the PANEL= data line in the AIRCRAFT.CFG file for each aircraft I want to use this particular panel with must then read .... panel=arjTHERE YOU GO .... 2 different panels inside the same aircraft folder and displaying perfectly (if you do it right) with different aircraft within the same AIRCRAFT.CFG chain of add-on textures for that particular aircraft. If you're still unsure .... then look at the following extract from my own Bae 156/ARJ installation .... and note the points I've discussed above .... EASY ! Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by irishrover63 on Nov 12, 2010 13:25:34 GMT
Fantastic Mark, easy when you know how. That's what I have been trying to achieve from the start, probably didn't explain it very well. I also changed the "UI" in the .cfg file to RJ-100 as I'm sure that this produces a separate list. I must have the new sound files as when in the cockpit there is a loud fan noise in the background with everything cold and dark. I would however like to reduce the sound level for this as it could get tiresome when preparing for a flight, what would I need to adjust? Many thanks for your patience regarding my problems.  |
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Post by Tony Madge - HJG on Nov 12, 2010 17:05:11 GMT
Spoilers; did you set them to armed? if so they should deploy.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Nov 12, 2010 18:51:36 GMT
AVIONICS !
That's what you're hearing .... and that's pretty much what one hears on the flightdeck of these aircraft whilst the aircraft is on the ground and running off its own generator or ground energy supply. What you're hearing there is about the right volume too .... from my jumpseat experience aboard the type.
You would first need to identify the AVIONICS WAV (and there may be more than 1 samples) .... and then run thes samplese through a sound editor in order to reduce their volume .... or .... delete that/those WAV samples completely.
Personally .... I wouldn't do that though .... only because by doing so you're actually going to be denying yourself a nice/large slice of reality.
we/Aeromusica (myself & Benoit PLAMONDON) specialise in trying to make our FS audio "as realistic as possible" .... by reproducing, as best we can, and often from actual recordings, what may be heard from the flightdeck environment of any large commercial aircraft type .... which is quite a different audio experience than that which most folk are accustomed to from back in the PAX cabin environment.
Mark C
AKL/NZ
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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Post by irishrover63 on Nov 13, 2010 12:24:32 GMT
I thought Avionics, but wasn't sure as it is a similar to the noise in Flight 1's ATR 72-500 which has a switch on the overhead panel when pressed cancels the sound. I will leave alone for now as I had a pleasant flight last night with the now realistic engine sounds.
I also added a program called "voicechecklist" which adds to the realism, just have to train the system to recognise some of my commands.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Nov 13, 2010 20:40:11 GMT
I think you're wise "IRISHROVER63".
Glad to know you're enjoying the "WHISPERLINER's" .... as we called the BAe 146/ARJ here in New Zealand .... due to their quieter environmental/noise footprint .... in comparison to that of the B737-200.
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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Post by irishrover63 on Nov 13, 2010 22:34:05 GMT
Spoilers; did you set them to armed? if so they should deploy. I'm sure I did have them armed and will make sure I re-check next flight. Thanks. |
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Post by lzamm on Nov 15, 2011 19:04:28 GMT
Don't know if anyone's still interested in this, but while Mathias Lieberecht's ARJ panel will work with the HJG 146, the model will assume an extreme rate of descent when using the 'LVL CHG' function at altitude.
The only solution I've found for this is to use the air file and aircraft.cfg supplied with the panel rather than the HJG ones. Since the aircraft.cfg file is involved, I don't think it's possible to have both in the same folder. What I did was make a copy of my HJG 146 aircraft folder, and install the ARJ panel there, carefully following Mathias's instructions.
There's also a minor issue that the 146 uses a custom 'autopilot disconnect' sound while the ARJ uses the default sound, which is easily handled by undoing the modification to sound.cfg described in the 146 manual, in the ARJ's sound folder.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Nov 16, 2011 9:01:32 GMT
What folk do is entirely up top them .... of course .... BUT .... the domiunant factor here is that we/HJG don't represent/host the ARJ version of the ML panels.
All we represent is the ML BAe panel version .... for which our current FDE is actually intended for use with.
Although we reprsent both BAe and ARJ version of these 300 SERIES aircraft .... the recommended/hosted BAe panel isn't actually out of place in regard to either aircraft version.
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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