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Post by christrott on Dec 13, 2010 20:33:45 GMT
Sorry Tony, had to update my original post, I wasn't fully thinking when I first typed it. The aircraft as it is now is an L-1011-50, but it was a 1974 model to TWA so it may be that it was delivered with the original "square fillet" and then upgraded to the "shark fin" when upgraded to a -50 in 1981. I'll do a little more research on it and let you know, but the plane that will be on display in Kansas City will have the "shark fin". I'm sure I'll be pretty happy. I've not flown on them so I can't tell you whether it "feels right" or not, but knowing your guys' history, I'm sure it'll be great, especially since our VA uses the L1011 and I can fly it more often.  Only thing we're missing is the part hard as hell to get because you guys would have to do a hell of a lot of programming to get the Direct Lift Control to work properly (kinda like how we never really got Dial-A-Flap to work right with the SGA DC-10 because of various issues). Hopefully someone will tackle it some day though. |
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Post by Dan K. Hansen on Dec 13, 2010 21:05:41 GMT
The frisbee fairing, might also be an optional model in a future release, but again, we have to have our modellers to work with it. The fairing was an otional update for ALL Lockhedd customers when it came, and as it provide some noticable noise reduction, I'd belevie the quite a few actually opted for it...
Regarding the DLC ...I'm working on it ....
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Post by Tony Madge - HJG on Dec 13, 2010 21:05:46 GMT
Cheers Chris Re DLC Dan mentioned this to me a while back he will know more about this as he has a more technical brain than me (meaning he is a whole lot more smarter than me) |
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Post by Tony Madge - HJG on Dec 13, 2010 21:06:51 GMT
Ah Dan beat me to it |
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Post by Dan K. Hansen on Dec 13, 2010 21:09:31 GMT
No I'm sure I'm not Tony .... but yes I do find the technicalities around the L1011 interesting, as it one of my main interest together with the VC10 of course .... and also as it was a technical wonder of it's time, and even is today in many aspects.....
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Post by Alejandro on Dec 13, 2010 23:15:20 GMT
Wonderfull!!!!! You have gave us a Wonderfull Christmas gift!!!!
About the Flying Hospital, it had another incarnation as P4-MED, as the original, american registration was more likelly to atrack terrorist atacks and be negated landing permissions. Its sad that even a medical plane had to take care of that!!!
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Post by christrott on Dec 13, 2010 23:21:12 GMT
Dan - many did take it, not just because of the noise reduction, but it also represented a nearly 2% drag reduction on its own. I do hope you can figure out how to get DLC to work. I don't have any of the Lockheed technical documents explaining DLC, but I know of where I might be able to get information, so let me know if you are in need of it. That is one flight system that would be amazing to be able to recreate. Active Ailerons would too, but for the world of FS, would only be "window dressing" that would be done via the model and have no effect on how the plane flies.
The reason for the original "square" fin design was because at the time Lockheed was not able to design an acceptable "shark fin" that would not disrupt the airflow into the engine. As such, they simply decided that the slight drag and range penalty from the square fin was "acceptable". When Frisbee came along, he was able to find an acceptable design that along with the other drag reduction features he came up with, allowed the L1011 to meet its original speed and range goals and then they were able to take those plus the active ailerons and make the L1011-500 which (at the time) had the longest range of any widebody, including the 747. Oddly enough, it wasn't until the introduction of the 777-200LR that the L1011's range "record" was eclipsed.
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Post by bluestar on Dec 14, 2010 2:05:50 GMT
Tony,
Nice job. I have a couple of technical corrections on the Cathay Pacific (CX) and Dragionairs.
CX only had two -100: VR-HHK and VR-HHL. All other CX L-1011s were 385-1.
VR-HHG, VR-HHX, VR-HOA thru VR-HOK were 385-1s. They were bought from Eastern Airlines except HOE (C-FTNB) and HOF (C-FTNE) from Air Canada. VR-HMW (G-BBAG) was from British Airways.
The DragonAir L1011s were leases from CX (VR-HOD, VR-HOK,VR-HMW).
The DragonAir VR-HMW was all white, VR-HOD had the Red tail, and VR-HOK had the green-stripped Cathay tail.
Again thanks for the L-1011.
Bill
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Dec 14, 2010 6:28:52 GMT
You're welcome Bill .... and this project's why I've be so quiet lately .... of the past few months at least.
Regarding our designations for some of these aircraft ....
If we've made any mistakes there then that's likely ocurred because the reference material we worked from had these aircraft incorrectly designated to start with.
We use AIRLINERS.NET to source reference imagery for textures and also to confirm aircraft designations too .... the latter being partucularly true in the case of the L1011's. 9 times out of 10 time the AIRLINERS .NET data is usually quite correct .... but .... I guess not 100% foolproof .... hence the possibility of the odd aircraft desination error on our part for relying upon it so exclusively.
The fact that there's also been quite a bit of upgrading among L1011 aircraft may also lead to confusion withinm many circles and which has resulted in the odd such error .... here'n'there .... among the data we relied upon .... and of course we've then inherited those errors as a result.
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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Post by bluestar on Dec 14, 2010 13:20:52 GMT
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Post by cag40navy on Dec 16, 2010 5:08:28 GMT
I hope the -500 is done as well as the other variants talked bout. Still, thank you guys!
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Post by Dan K. Hansen on Dec 16, 2010 13:30:58 GMT
Nice site Bill, I actually kinda like VR-HOK with the all white fuselage ... always had a special interest in the "one-offs" |
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Post by bluestar on Dec 30, 2010 2:57:39 GMT
Dan,
The all white and green tail are a great combination. Maybe it will be added to the next list of repaints.
Bill
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Dec 30, 2010 21:59:08 GMT
Actually .... another variation of CX/CATHAY PACIFIC livery which, I feel, we need here (it would e nice to have just for the sake of completeness) .... albeit very minor .... is the one featuring "SUPER TRISTAR" titles on the forward part of the #2 engine.
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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Post by hitperson on Jan 6, 2011 13:44:08 GMT
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Only thing we're missing is the part hard as hell to get because you guys would have to do a hell of a lot of programming to get the Direct Lift Control to work properly (kinda like how we never really got Dial-A-Flap to work right with the SGA DC-10 because of various issues). Hopefully someone will tackle it some day though. 
