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Post by christrott on Sept 7, 2011 20:57:39 GMT
The SGA DC-10 doesn't have a panel because we never included one. If you have one, it's from someone else.
As for the L1011 book, it's the Airliner Color History series book "Lockheed L1011 TriStar" by Philip Birtles. The book also includes one of the only color photos of the L1011-500 EFIS flightdeck modification that Lockheed demonstrated on the prototype but was never taken up by the airlines due to the 3-man flight crew requirement.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 7, 2011 21:46:40 GMT
I think any form FUEL panel (I think it's just a basic pop-up rather than a full schematic feature) for the SGA DC10 panel might be part'n'parcel of that update by YOO CHU (Who Flung Dung) .... or whatever his mane was. I can't be sure though ..... BUT .... if one were to search FLIGHTSIM.COM as follows .... DC10 PANEL SGA .... then one will find both lots of files .... meaning the original SGA version plus the update for it. The actual file names, for both, are already provided within one of my recent postings associated with that DC10 thread on the GENERAL forum page.Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by johnyrebbaron on Sept 8, 2011 1:52:27 GMT
Yeah thats the panel I have its a pretty good panel I have the update for the lights from "who dun wat" also. I havent put the update in , but from what i understand it is only for the panel lights. I dont think I implied that HJG did the panel, if I did i didn't mean too. The fuel panel is just a small popup window. It has 4 fuel qnty gages in kgs it has a crossfeed that if you mouse over it , it turns to a hand but it doesn't appear to do anything. It also has a fuel transfer pump fore and aft out of the concorde. That is why im trying to do a fuel panel for it and maybe eventually a complete FE panel.
Thanks for the book name. i didn't know about that series I will have to check it out .
This was in response to the above two replies.
Thanks,
Gary
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Post by christrott on Sept 8, 2011 20:30:12 GMT
Well, there is no fuel transfer facility in the DC-10, so that gauge can go away immediately.
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Post by johnyrebbaron on Sept 8, 2011 23:12:39 GMT
Hi Chris,
On one of the above post when you said we did not include a panel, I thought you meant HJG, I didn't realize you had worked on it with SGA. I didn't realize that until I went a few pages in to the DC-10 thread. i read the the part where it said that is was within 5% of real world characteristics. Now i know why I like flying it. Even though I am not a big DC-10 fan. I also read that the retail version was within 1 or 2%. Let me guess you are running retail panel. I thought the panel I have was authorized by SGA that was before I read the part on it once be sold retail.
I am still confused over the whole SGA, FFX, Vistaliners deal. i have downloaded a/c from SGA, vistaliners, and HJG. I think I now have all HJG. Except of course the DC-10. I have 727's but i think they are all off of hjg's sight.
I was going ask about the fuel setup on the dc10 in response to your last post. i forgot what it was now I went and ate in between writing this post.
i will think of it in a few.
Gary
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 9, 2011 0:33:16 GMT
I will attempt to clarify everything as follows ....
The A300B's and DC10's were all modeled by Erick CANTU. They were first hosted by FFX .... then by SGA .... and then on Erick's own VISTALINERS website until that went "fut" too.
Whether or not the A300B and DC10 files feature FFX, SGA, or VISTALINERS brandings .... they are all, indeed, Erick CANTU's productions regardless !
It can be confusing (though mostly in regard to the FDE's) .... because what's available out there now represents a conglomeration of A300B and DC10 data under the banners of both FFX, SGA, and VISTALINERS.... which I've endeavoured to make some sense of (in espect the DC10's only) earlier on that other thread.
The B727's were always VISTALINERS (Erick CANTU again) hiostings, but, the FDE's for these aircraft which we offer .... "HERE AT HJG" .... are quite superior to those which accompanied these simulations on the VL website or wherever else they've been hosted before HJG.
The L1011 is also a VISTALINERS/Erick CANTU production .... and was available, for a time, on the VL website, but, once again, the FDE's we/HJG offer here for these simulations are also vastly superior to the original VL hosted versions.
So .... update what you've got with all that we/HJG offer here, and then use the panels and soundpacks we/HJG also offe herer too, and you can't possibly go wrong !
In respect of any aircraft made by Erick CANTU which we don't host here .... then use FDE's recommended by us.
I hope that now clears up any FFX, SGA, VISTALINERS, or Erick CANTU confusion.
I'll leave you now with Chris .... or whomever .... in regard to your original DC10 panel/gauges queries.
Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by johnyrebbaron on Sept 9, 2011 5:23:30 GMT
Thanks Mark,
That does clear it up somewhat. I hope you guys get the DC-10 they are too many different versions floating around. I wish these ftp servers would go through and get rid of old files or at least organize them. I've seen duplicate files with the same content renamed with different names. But the sites like avsim,flightsim.com, and many others have done an invaluable service to the flightsim community, can't give them to hard of a time.
I am going to go back and check my DC-10 against what you put up on that DC-10 thread, and double check my 727's against what you have in your download section I have had them a while, I am pretty sure they came from here but I dont know if you have a newer version.
Gary
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 9, 2011 5:42:20 GMT
Nothing's guaranteed in regard to HJG hosting of the DC10 .... as I've already mentioned a few times now on that other DC10 thread. Despite interest in the DC10 (which is greater than I anticipated) I just don't want anyone being under any misaprehensions about this. I don't want to get too off topic here with this particular thread .... BUT .... in response to your coments anyway ....The DC10 model files all seem to be "quite standard", but, what appears to be screwing things up is the obvious variety of FDE's out there .... with at least 2 of these (FDE's) which represent SGA's own officially released upgrades .... manifesting irritating idiosyncracies in respect of AP countrolled ILS coupled auto-approach to landing (only). These FDE's all seem to be quite fine though in respect of fully manual approches to landing. Just be cautious regarding this detail .... and familiar with what Walter and I have already discussed, regarding this, on that other thread. Our B727 FDE versions (all of which are intended for use with the panels and sounds we provide here) are, indeed, the latest/best versions available. TRUST ME .... use all of these (reinstall everything again if need be) and, again, you can't possibly go wrong ! Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by johnyrebbaron on Sept 9, 2011 5:57:25 GMT
Hi Mark,
Agree thats why I want to check my727s because Ive been lax lately sometimes I will take 6 months and not even get on FS because I like war strategy games also so I go on long binges of doing that. I am just starting a new FS binge.
But you're right about not messing up this thread.
I remembered what I wanted to ask Chris, so back to fuel management!
Thanks, Gary
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Post by johnyrebbaron on Sept 9, 2011 7:03:48 GMT
Hi Chris,
I haven't forgot about you. I really didnt think it belonged there I thought maybe it was put there to intentionally move the center of gravity, since it has an Auto setting but if that was the case that would be a pretty poorly designed airplane. I understand why the real concorde has one but not a DC10. Right now I have my gauges quan,press,Fuel Used in it, and working, but they are just displaying data, I haven't yet changed the way the fuel system functions. I am trying to figure out the crossfeeds and the aux tank which the the 30 and 40 has, it appears that the way it is configured that they are all crossfeeding by default, no real surprise there because i think FS is configured that way by default. It also appears that it is burning fuel from center2, before center1. I believe that is also how FS is designed to work. So all I really need to do is make the three crossfeeds and either have them burn from all or there respective tank and in the center engines case it will automatically burn center2 first.
Which like you said is pretty standard on a 3 engine aircraft.
Let me know if I am thinking correctly, its getting late and I am getting punchy.
Thanks,
Gary
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Post by christrott on Sept 10, 2011 22:07:12 GMT
You're thinking along the right lines. I have a couple of DC-10 FE panel pics if you'd like me to send them along (PM me your e-mail, don't post it here) that show the layout. We used them for what we thought was going to be the SGA panel before we were told to shelve it.
FS always wants to burn the aux tanks first, thus the "AUX", "TIP", and CENTER (starting with the highest number and working down) will burn first unless you bypass it through gauge coding. I'm not a gauge coder, but I seem to remember that you basically have to turn the crossfeeds into fuel tank selectors and that will allow you to properly manage the fuel usage. I'm sure the HJG panel guys can help you there.
The proper fuel burn schedule is - Center AUX tanks first (one in climb), then the Center tank until equal to the wing tanks, then all 3 tanks at the same time until shutdown. Takeoff is always tank-to-engine (i.e. Wing tanks to #1 & #2 respectively and Center to #3).
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Post by johnyrebbaron on Sept 11, 2011 20:25:23 GMT
Hi Chris, thanks for the pics they should come in handy. Gary
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Post by johnyrebbaron on Sept 11, 2011 20:36:58 GMT
Hi Marc, Just wanted to let you know, you guys did a number on the L1011 FDE and Panel. I have flown quite a bit in the last 3 days. I flew it from SFO>HNL yesterday, shot a beautiful auto-land on 04R. I have shot around 5 auto-land approaches all of them flawless. The old SGA FDE would not do that consistently,always had GS issues.
I got the whole L1011 package zipped up sent to my friend in ATL we flew SEA>SFO last night and shot a parallel approach into SFO, 28L, 28R, with weather performed flawless. Wish I had video running on that one, touched down within a sec of each other.
We talk voice while we are flying so that we can update each other on speed course changes, etc. It is a great bird for that now.
Gary
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Post by Dan K. Hansen on Sept 11, 2011 21:40:55 GMT
I think this thread has drifted quite a bit astray from the original purpose, which was L1011 fuel management. So I think I'll lock this one and perhaps ask you to either continue on the DC10 thread in the Douglas section, or start a new
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