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Post by CORLL ONE on Apr 21, 2014 14:24:57 GMT
Yes sir, you are correct. The needles appear to be flip-flopped. Everything else works fine.
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Post by Dan K. Hansen on Apr 21, 2014 21:20:17 GMT
It is actually a very small edit, but I've completely forgot about it, and haven't read into the documentation yet. Leave it with me and I'll see to it when time allows...
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Apr 22, 2014 3:47:54 GMT
I believe you fixed this last time too Dan .... SO .... if you can repeat that same edit once again, whenever you are able to do so, and then let me/all of us know when a revised gauges/core files pacahe is available (with the necessary edit) .... then that will be fine.
Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by Dan K. Hansen on Apr 22, 2014 7:28:12 GMT
Well, perhaps I didn't if it still there... Meanwhile I've been digging into my manuals- In our panel (or Ken's) the left knob switches between ADF1 and VOR1 using the double pointer, and the right knob switches between ADF2 and VOR2 using the single pointer. The original RDDMI the single pointer was used by the left knob, and the double pointer was used by the right knob, i.e. vice verse ....but I'll correct it and recompile the cab-files...
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Post by Dan K. Hansen on Apr 22, 2014 7:43:10 GMT
Version 1.1 had the same "bug". Version 1.2 it was corrected, version 2.0 has re-introduced the bug ...
I think George has based his modifications on the earlier version 1.1 instead of version 1.2 ... anyway, I'll fix it in a version 2.1 ;-)
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Post by Dan K. Hansen on Apr 29, 2014 6:37:23 GMT
A new version 2.2 of the corefiles have been uploaded, which should take care of the needles.
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Post by CORLL ONE on Apr 29, 2014 9:32:06 GMT
Thank you very much.
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Post by cap10jaf on May 13, 2014 14:50:21 GMT
Greetings, Can anyone explain (when using INS navigation) why the course select pointer automatically updates on some models (like the L-1011) but does not on others?
Thanks in advance,
GD
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Post by Dan K. Hansen on May 14, 2014 14:19:07 GMT
Quite possible because the different panels are from different developers...
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Post by cap10jaf on May 14, 2014 19:48:36 GMT
Quite possible because the different panels are from different developers... Hi Dan,
Thanks for the reply but maybe I should have been more specific. I'm wondering if it's something done in the .cfg file or coded in a panel's gauges. If so, what is involved?
I've added the CIVA INS to several panels but none of mine update like the HJG L-1011 and the TM B732.
Thanks again,
Greg D.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 14, 2014 20:34:01 GMT
I don't know if the realworld L1011 INS would actaully auto-update.
I know the realworld INS on DC10's allowed crews to preprogram their entire route (for e.g. Auckland, New Zealand, and all the way across the Pacific, to Los Angeles/USA .... and including allignment for any RWY approach at LAX too) from T/O to T/D.
The L1011 INS is of around the same generation as that fitted on the DC10 .... and A300B .... so .... I assume .... it would have been simuilarly capable .... if not more-so bearing in mind that the L1011 came a little later to the party than the DC10.
Earlier version INS (like that fitted to the B747-100/200/300) would allow preprogramming of only up to 9 sectors at a time (I think it was) .... and the system would then require manual updating .... or the aircraft would begin to retrace the path it had already previously flown/navigated.
The INS fitted into the HJG B707, B727, CV990, and DC8 panels (only those versions of these simulations that are equipped with it since not all of them are) is there for "CONVENIENCE ONLY" .... since none of these aircraft (that I'm aware of at least) were, in reality, equipped with a NAV system as advanced as that depicted within these simulations.
Most of these aircrat were, instead, equipped with older Dual Doppler or Litton type NAV systems.
The fact that the HJG L1011 simulation INS "may" auto-update (I don't know bcause I've never used it .... in fact it's the "only aspect" of any HJG simulation that I'm still "unfamiliar" with) .... whereas that fitted into the HJG B707, B727, CV990, and DC8 simulations "DO NOT" could be "INTENTIONAL" .... on the part of the designer/programmer (George CARTY in this particular case) .... in order to try'n provide "a reasonable degree of authenicity in regard to replicating/necessitating a need to manually update the NAV system for these older/classic aircraft types.
"THAT" .... I think you'll find .... is "possibly" the reason for any degree of variance.
Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 14, 2014 20:53:38 GMT
Just adding .... since you appear to have repl;ied whilst I was still trying to do so ....
Gauge programming .... I think !
I forgot to mention .... and based on what I do know/have seen in use .... and speaking primarily in regard to HJG supplied componebts also ....
George's INS NAV system .... i.e. that fitted into some of the HJG panels .... is, apparently, very similar to the CIVA INS version, but, I'm aware some folks have commented that George's is "a bit better".
Again .... I'm not sure if the HJG L1011 INS auto-updates, but, I'm pretty sure the HJG B707, B727, CV990-A (INS version), and DC8 panel INS "does not" .... and therefore requires manual updating at the conclusion of flying those 9 (or whatever it is) sectors .... "possibly" for the reason I indicated in my first/above reply.
Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by Dan K. Hansen on May 14, 2014 21:36:22 GMT
The Simufly Delco Carousel IV-A INS (often just referred to as the CIVA INS) is "as real as it gets" programmed from the original manual, including floating synchronisation errors that needs to be adjusted, manually updated, preprogrammed etc. etc. and the support is to be found at the SimuFly forum, not here.
Actually the correct name is Delco Carousel IV-A Inertial Navigation System as mentioned, and was just one INS out of many variations and versions. Others was also found, Litton as one of the most popular as Mark mentioned. The Delco and the Litton was the most used and reliable. Each the cost of a medium size house :-)
Georges version of the CIVA INS is a bit more "cooperative" as it loads your starting coordinates into pos 0, does not include the errors mentioned above, and is much more precise than the original gadget was ....And then of course there is only one to handle, whereas the real world aircraft had at least two and even tree that needed to be synced and updated throughout the flight, both for redundancy and precision reasons. The carousel INS was of course needed the most on Trans- Pacific and Atlantic flights where there were no NDB's and VOR's to use, so you had to bring your own, so to speak.
As Mark already mentioned, the INS had the capability of preprogramming up to nine legs, and if more were needed, you had to program them in as the "used" legs became available. You also started by setting pos 0 and pos 1 to the same, and check if the distance between those was actually 0. Once you got to pos 9 you would reprogram 0, 1,2,3,4,5 etc. again to the next needed positions. As you can believe it was a fulltime occupation for the navigator to keep an eye on the deviations and the alignment precision codes. re-aligning "on-the-fly" with known positions. The working of the INS and the history around this navigation system is quite interesting, and the SimuFly version is a complete simulator in its own.
Many of the inbuilt functionality and tasks involving a navigator has been done easier for you in the HJG-version so you may concentrate a bit more on actually flying the aircraft, instead of using all you time on the INS. But both have their own ratification depending on your preferences.
So all-in-all we are talking of two different versions of the CIVA INS, one provided by George, and supported by us (HJG) and one by Simufly (support at their forum) Having both installed is NOT advisable. Install the version you feel fulfills your need, and get the support for that at the right Forum.
If you can pinpoint your actual issue (what do you mean by "course select pointer") and also tell which of the INS you use, we may be able to help you out. But to my knowledge none of them "auto updates" anything, but being a while since I used either of them I could be wrong, of course.
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Post by cap10jaf on May 15, 2014 15:22:54 GMT
You guys are amazing! Thank you for taking the time to help me. The answer to my
poorly-worded question resulted from putting several pieces of your information
together.
The situation I was trying to describe is this. The behavior of the HSI in the HJG L-1011 differs from (for example) the HJG B727 in the following way.
If the course direction at a waypoint is 240 inbound and 260 outbound, the L-1011 course select pointer on the HSI will read 240 inbound, then automatically turn 20 degrees right (260) when over-flying the waypoint. The B727 HSI course select pointer never shows course information from the INS.
The thing I didn't realize was the HJG (CARTY) INS is not the SimuFly Delco Carousel IV-A Inertial Navigation System (which I've been using as well) which explains why things like auto-position updating is different and course select pointer updating is not in the Simufly documentation or forums.
Mystery solved. George Carty made an INS system that is more user friendly. Both are fantastic and I prefer them over FMC flying.
Thank you both again,
Greg D.
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Post by Dan K. Hansen on May 15, 2014 20:02:52 GMT
Two different HSI's is the answer then :-) all depending on where they get their data from .... I would hazard a guess that the one that takes it's input from the INS is correct.... but I'm not too familiar with the 727.
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