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Post by Dan K. Hansen on May 18, 2011 22:53:58 GMT
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Post by anderscn on May 19, 2011 13:10:07 GMT
Hi,
The INS type found in the photo of the CV880, is very similar to the default INS used in the Ready For Pushback B747-200 ver. 2. It is a Litton LTN-72, as Dan found out. However, there is an option in the RFP 747 cfg to switch over to the Civa Delco Carrussel INS (if installed), which in the MSFS-world is the better choice of the two IMHO.
Hence, I would be more than happy with the standard HJG-type Delco INS in the Convair panels.
But then again – don´t hurry..
BR, Anders
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Post by Dan K. Hansen on May 19, 2011 14:29:46 GMT
I think that this one is such a "one-off" that you shouldn't set your expectations high, if at all Many aircraft were equipped with a single INS for a delivery flight cross atlantic, or for a seasonal lease, but on the Convairs it was certainly not a standard instrument....so... I think it's safe to say that this will not be.
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Post by walterleo on May 19, 2011 15:44:23 GMT
Swissair CV 990: There exists an early film of the CV 990 approaching Kai Tak (still without leading in lights for RWY 13), but no INS, Doppler or Loran box visible: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra8eDiqsc4wKind regards Walter
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 19, 2011 23:28:05 GMT
Some of the cabin shots in that video are "obviously" from a simulator .... but .... what caught my attention, in particular, was the seat deaign .... which appears to be that commonly installed aboard DC8´s. Airline seat types and configurations do vary from airline to airline, and even aircraft to aircraft too, but, based on other SWISSAIR CV990 cabin imagery I´ve seen, most of their CONVAIR´s supported an entirely different seat type. If I remember correctly, and according to Terry WADDINGTON´s book ("DOUGLAS DC8" - GREAT AIRLINERS SERIES), Douglas won some kind of award for the design of the most comonly installed DC8 seats .... the same type of seat which appears to feature in that video.
The flightdeck scenes all appear to be authentic CV990 views though.
A very interesting video regardless !
Mark C BOG/COL
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macs
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Post by macs on May 9, 2012 13:09:01 GMT
That nav system is most probably a doppler. I did some research a while ago to try and make me some updates for the panels, so found some interesting pics for the 880/990. It appears they used this doppler system which appears to be a lot like what the Russians still use today. I also found it on DC-8 and early 707 pics. You can always add a CIVA INS if you want. It would be nice if the panel were updated for graphics and systems. Such a nice plane that has never been addressed in payware. Such a shame as it was the fastest around in its time. The Bristol Britannia is another nice one that woudl be nice to have for FS..
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 9, 2012 20:56:46 GMT
Most of the longer ranging DC8's (the -50 through -60 SERIES aircraft) were equipped with DUAL DOPPLER NAV from the mid 1960's and throughout the 1970's .... with "some" (not all) of these aircraft being reequipped with OMEGA NAV during the 1980's.
I believe we established, recently, that the few CV990's that "were" INS equipped "might" have been equipped with either LITTON or DOPPLER systems.
So far as I'm aware (and I could be wrong) .... none of the CV880's were ever INS equipped .... probably because, in most cases, their operator/airline routing .... even those over water .... weren't of sufficient length (taking them far enough away from traditional ground based NAV aids) as to warrant it .... is "my own personal" understanding.
People can install the CIVA NAV in these CONVAIR (or any of our panels) .... if they wish .... but .... "IF" they do so then we can't provide support for these .... simply because we neither host nor support for the CIVA INS for FS.
In any case .... and "THANKS" to the efforts of my colleague George CARTY .... we already offer a CV990 INS panel .... as is the case also for some (again not all .... only those for which it is appropriate) of our B707, B727, DC8, and L1011 panels are equipped with our own (George's) INS and which works fundamentally the same as the CIVA version. The fact our CV880 panels aren't INS equipped is based on my above mentioned understanding.
I very much doubt there will be any further updates for these CONVAIR, or any of our other aircraft panels either, beyond the standard currently featured/offered .... or beyond anything proven necessary to be fixed in the future too .... "if we ever can".
Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by milspecsim on Mar 15, 2013 6:16:41 GMT
Was ONS LORAN based? That panel looks really similar to one saw in an old offshore freighter that was getting scrapped.
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Post by louross on Mar 16, 2013 18:20:13 GMT
UAL crews flying to Asia in the 50's had to study celestial navigation. Maybe they had to use it. But those were prop liners. lr.
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Post by garryrussell on Mar 16, 2013 21:11:48 GMT
That was common then. BOAC across the Sahara for example timed their flights overnight as celestial navigation was the main method.
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Post by crossbone40 on Feb 2, 2014 23:29:41 GMT
Dan, it´s actually Japanese. I was born in Japan but the lessons in this language which I had are outdated so I can´t translate the content of this article Sorry.
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