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Post by almguy1 on Jul 4, 2011 9:39:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2011 13:15:43 GMT
great screenshots Remind me of very cool tv show ICE PILOTS from Canada!!! The Buffalo Air pilots said that this plane cannot deal with crosswinds and should not be flown in crosswind condition because of design of the plane.
Aharon
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Post by garryrussell on Jul 4, 2011 19:00:42 GMT
Many countries have never certified the type due to poor single engined performance and handling.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jul 4, 2011 20:57:39 GMT
The C46 COMMANDO is as "BIG BIRD" !  In fact I was surprised how much "BIGGER" they are than the DC3 when I saw, and went aboard one (for extensive panel photography), for the very first time in .... in Bogota, Colombia a few years ago. C46's were once quite plentiful within Colombia .... and most other Latin American countries too .... BUT .... in Colombia .... aviation legislation has today forced old reciprocating prop liner operations away from all of the major airports .... in fact, so far as I'm aware, there's not a single remaining operational C46 left now anywhere in Colombia. One of the last remaining "intact" examples of these "BIG" prop liners, in Colombia, is still sitting within a compound (I understand from reliable sources this aircraft has been "IMPOUNDED") near the AVIANCA maintenance base at el Aeropuerto Internacional El Dorado De Bogota. Devoid of most of its panel instrumentation it hasn't flown for quite a while .... and likely never will again. Personally .... and as Camilo LUENGAS, Javier ("Topper") FRANCO, and myself all discussed, a few week's ago whilst I was still in Colombia for another extended period .... I'd like to see this particular aircraft "PRESERVED" .... and then displayed as an exhibit inside the FUERZA AEREA COLOMBIANA aviation museum within the miliotary sector of the airport (access to this museum is byu speracial appointment or invitation only). The only problem with this prospect/idea is this museum exhibits only those aircraft that which have been operated by the FAC .... BUT .... the FAC never operated the C46 .... so .... the future of this particular aircraft, sadly, doesn't look good at all  .... and more-so considering most of the classic aircraft once accumulated with el Aeropuerto Internacional El Dorado De Bogota's corrosion corner (including various DC3's, an L188 ELECTRA, a VISCOUNT, a CARAVELLE, and most of INTER COLOMBIA's DC9-10's) have all been "SCRAPPED" now .... as the new airport adminstration have sought to "cean-up and further develop/improve" the appearance of the airport. Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by almguy1 on Jul 5, 2011 0:28:51 GMT
Interesting stuff Mark we used to get a lot of RANSA and Cargo operators in Florida flying in
they were real workhorses. Hate to see these old classics fade away but their is one called China Doll that I went on for a peek inside at an airshow at Travis AFB about 5 years ago and its still flying I its in immaculate condition. It was used in the Hump flights during ww2. See if I can dig up my photo archives.
Dave
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jul 5, 2011 0:32:52 GMT
Just on the subject of CURTIS C46 COMMANDO's
We actually had the type operating in New Zeland too .... during the very early 1950's .... which is also some of the New Zealand aviation community are probably unaware of eventoday.
STRAITS AIR FREIGHT EXPRESS (SAFE AIR) commenced inter-island/cross-channel air freight services between the North and South Islands of New Zealand on April 16th 1951.
4 C46's inaugurated ths new railway air freight service in advance of the delivery of the airlines first BRISTOL 175 FREIGHTER aircraft .... the first of which were delivered during May 1951.
The 4 C46's which inaugurated SAFE AIR services were all leased from the American operated, Formosa based, CIVIL AIR TRANSPORT.
These aircraft were XT-840, XT-844, XT-846, and XT-864 .... the last of which operated for SAFE AIR until July 27th 1951.
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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Post by almguy1 on Jul 5, 2011 0:44:28 GMT
Mark Are you familiar with N1309V that I just added to the photos.
It was a C46 that came down twice weekly. The details are on line but
slightly different explanation they were not aware of the exact scenario,
On line it says 0 fatalities so I'll go with that.
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Post by garryrussell on Jul 5, 2011 1:09:24 GMT
There were a few in Europe mosly operating under US registration..Lufthansa opersted a small number usualyy in the lessor livery..... Some made it onto the Norwegiaan register.
But they were rarein Europe generally....I've never seen one
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Post by almguy1 on Jul 5, 2011 1:30:36 GMT
Had my younger brother go sit in the C-46 flight deck no steps had to hoist him up. You can see a big crack in the fuselage. where it hit the water.
Dave
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jul 5, 2011 2:43:07 GMT
"NO" .... I don't know that one Dave !   Camilo's father used to fly C46's for AEROCONDOR COLOMBIA .... when he first started flying for them during the early 1960's (and before moving on up to the DC4, DC6, L188, B707, B720B, and then A300B). He apparently flew some services from Barranquilla/Colombia to Miami/USA .... which is "quite a hike" for an old COMMANDO. A few weeks ago .... whilst I was still in Colombia .... he was telling Camilo, and myself, a very interesting story about an AEROCONDOR COLOMBIA C46 which "shed and entire propeller/airscrew" climbing out of Miami. Fortunately the crew were able to make a successful single-engine emergency landing .... though someones car, parked in the Mami INTL Airport parking lot, was severly "banged-up" after being impacted by the falling/spinning propeller. They were lucky .... "VERY LUCKY INDEED" ;D That incident made the local Miami press .... and I think Camilo still has a copy of the newspaper report from the day and which he's incorporated into his own biography about the operational history of AEROVIAS AEROCONDOR DE COLOMBIA .... which, incidentally, has been published on the "HISTORY" (Aerolineas Deaparacidos / Airlines Lost/Disappeared) page over on the VIRTUALCOL (I think it is) website. Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by Camilo Luengas - HJG on Jul 5, 2011 3:36:08 GMT
Here it is, Aerocondor Curtiss C-46 HK-851 lost engine propellers during takeoff from Miami to Barranquilla in 1972.  Miami Herald photo of the pilots and the damage of the aircraft behind, few minutes after landing. The propeller broke away from engine it ripped a gash in the plane's fuselage, behind the cockpit. The pilots turned the aircraft around and headed back. The propeller landed in an Eastern Airlines parking lot and skidded under a car. |
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Post by almguy1 on Jul 5, 2011 6:56:56 GMT
Thanks Mark/Camilo for putting that on. Had not heard about that one before.
dave
ksmf/ksac
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Post by almguy1 on Jul 5, 2011 7:06:22 GMT
Interesting about Camilo's Father he might have even passed thru MKJP a couple times when I was working there we handled a Aerocondor every once in a while.
I think Miami was prob the most popular destination for C-46s'
Dave
Their was an old guy named Victor at the time a crusty character who monopolized handling the C46's he had his own forklift somehow and lived on the fringes . But he was in demand because of his forklift skills.He was close to 80 yrs old.
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Post by almguy1 on Jul 5, 2011 7:09:47 GMT
not sure how the quote thing works yet
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Post by garryrussell on Jul 5, 2011 7:22:20 GMT
not sure how the quote thing works yet Just click the quote button |
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.... and more-so considering most of the classic aircraft once accumulated with el Aeropuerto Internacional El Dorado De Bogota's corrosion corner (including various DC3's, an L188 ELECTRA, a VISCOUNT, a CARAVELLE, and most of INTER COLOMBIA's DC9-10's) have all been "SCRAPPED" now 
