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Post by CORLL ONE on Dec 28, 2011 22:06:28 GMT
I followed all download instructions as directed (classic statement right?), everything on the panel works fine except I have a black hole where the airspeed indicator should be. This applies to both the early and late MD80 analogue panels. I loaded the Spada MD80 Semi EFIS and the entire panel works fine. No problem there. Yes, I removed and redownloaded both panels several times and tried reinstalling...same result. Any words of wisdom?
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eserice
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Post by eserice on Dec 29, 2011 6:35:09 GMT
I have exactly the same problem as the one reported by Corll One. No airspeed indicator. And I followed the download instructions. ¿Any help?
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Post by Tony Madge - HJG on Dec 29, 2011 9:42:22 GMT
Ummm seems like a wrongly listed gauge we will try and get back to you on this
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Post by Mike Monce - HJG on Dec 29, 2011 13:52:16 GMT
Disclaimer: I'm not a panel expert, I tweak the flight model However, I can confirm that the ASI is missing when the panel loads. The gauge is listed in the panel.cfg, and is included in the list of gauges, so it must be a bad gauge file. Mark or Dan may have the original and may be able to try and replace. In the meantime, here's a temporary fix: Download the Spada panel. Inside the Spada panel folder look for a gauge file ca727asi.gau Copy that file and put it in the Golding panel folder with the rest of the gauges. Now in the panel folder, open up the panel.cfg file. Under [Window00], find gauge17; it should look like: gauge17=airspeed, 71,478,130,130 change it to read: gauge17=ca727asi, 71,478,130,130 Save the panel.cfg, and that should get you going. The ASI is not quite the same one as in the original golding panel, but will work, and since Spada used the Golding panel as a base, it's not far off. That will get you flying until we can make a fix to the download file. Mike
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Dec 29, 2011 14:26:56 GMT
I can confirm there´s no gauges missing. They´re all there as follows .... PANEL VERSION = GOLDING - EARLY ANALOGUE (WHITE)ASI GAUGE NAME = airspeed.gauCFG ASI GAUGE REFEREFERNCE = gauge17=airspeed, 71,478,130,130 ;HGHB/PGPANEL VERSION = GOLDING/SEALE - LATE ANALOGUE (RED)ASI GAUGE NAME = airspeed.gauCFG ASI GAUGE REFEREFERNCE = gauge17=airspeed, 71,478,130,130 ;HGHB/PGPANEL VERSION = SPADA - SEMI EFISASI GAUGE NAME = gauge35=ca727asiCFG ASI GAUGE REFEREFERNCE = gauge35=ca727asi, 15,484,120,118The above (in respect of this particular issue) is what I currently have and are seeing .... and which is precisely as uploaded and is currently available "HERE" !!!! During testing (and I can only test everything in WINDOWS XP and in FS2004 .... remember these panels aren´t FSX compatible) I learned that this issue (a missing ASI) happened only if either of the 2 GOLDING "analogue" type panels are used with our MD90 (and maybe the MD87) aircraft versions only. I´ve actually commented regarding this within the PANEL INSTALLATION & HANDLING NOTES .... SECTION 2 .... "KNOWN ISSUES" panel descriptions for the "GOLDING" and "GOLDING/SEALE" panel versions. Just why this should happen with 1 or 2 of these MDX models only .... I´m buggered if I know ! During very early testing .... on my XP system and in FS2004 .... the ASI, "as originally named and referenced within the PANEL.CFG" simply wouldn´t display .... on just the GOLDING and GOLDING/SEALE panel versions only (this problem did not affect the SPADA panel version) on all of our MDX aircraft .... until I changed the ASI gauge name, and CFG reference, to read as indicated above ("airspeed.gau") in respect of just these 2 panel versions only. Again .... this issue never affected the SPADA panel at all. After making this simple gauge naming edit I then had no problem/missing gauges whatsoever .... as is evidenced by each of the above imagery. I´m beginning to suspect that what´s being experienced here may possibly affect some PC systems only .... and maybe just OS versions later than WINDOWS XP !!!! I´ll try´n get back to everyone with a possible solution (like maybe restoring the original gauge name) ASAP Mark C BOG/COL
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Post by CORLL ONE on Dec 29, 2011 15:22:50 GMT
I followed Mike Monce's direction and sure enough....there's the airspeed indicator. Thank you again to the HJG staff for the support, you guys do great work. Thanks Mike.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Dec 29, 2011 15:40:45 GMT
OK .... thanks for that "CORLL ONE".
What Mike´s suggested is along the lines of what I was about to advise .... BUT .... reinstating the original gauge name which is different to the one Mike quotes however likely equally effective.
What we seem to have here is some form of sensitivity in respect of that ASI gauge name and "SOME PC SYSTEMS" .... as rediculous as that may sound .... but .... it did come up in my own testing and I thought I'd resolved it completely by editing the ASI gauge name, as mentioned within my above reply posting and as evidenced by the accompanying imagery.
"CORLL ONE" .... can you tell me/us a bit about your PC .... OS etc ?
Thanks !
Mark C BOG/COL
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Post by CORLL ONE on Dec 29, 2011 16:19:12 GMT
Windows 7. I'm not well versed on the computer so "dumb it down" if you can. I pretty much just use the computer for Flt Sim.
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Post by Mike Monce - HJG on Dec 29, 2011 17:00:45 GMT
Well, if "eserice" is also using W7, then we may have found the common thread in the problem as I have W7 also. As to why W7 would not like that particular file, I don't have a clue. Maybe Dan has some ideas.
Mike
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Dec 29, 2011 17:49:01 GMT
"CORLL ONE" .... in that´s case .... and if you´ve got a resolution on the basis of Mike´s input .... then I won´t risk tempting fate. So long as you´re now displaying an ASI gauge that looks like the one in the above ANALOGUE EARLY and ANALOGUE LATE panels then you´re perfectly OK As you now know .... the ASI gauge most certainly isn´t missing from either panel, but, some systems, but not all, for whatever silly reason, seem to not recognize the current new ASI gauge name and related CFG reference. As I recall .... the original gauge name and PANEL.CFG entry stated "pg.mdxx.wc.airspeed.gau" for this particular ASI gauge .... BUT .... these original gauge references resulted in this ASI simply NOT displaying, for me, in either the MD80 EARLY ANALOGUE or MD80 LATE ANALOGUE panels (only) within FS2004 and WINDOWS XP PRO .... until I renamed these to read as currently supplied. Just to "RERCAP" on enverything .... 1. Nothing is missing from the panel file. 2. Nothing is incorrectly stated with the PANEL.CFG file. 3. This missing ASI gauge seems to be something affecting some installations and not others. It´s "STRANGE" though´.... I admit I do not recommend recommend substituting the currently supplied ASI gauge for the simlar version from the SPADA panel. I recommend renaming the supplied gauge fileand then editing the appropriate PANEL.CFG gauge entry according to the new gauge file name .... and that will/"SHOULD" solve the problem. Mark C BOG/COL
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Post by CORLL ONE on Dec 29, 2011 18:44:05 GMT
The fix that Mike posted is simple/very user friendly. I wouldn't go out and change any of the downloads. If anybody else has a problem there's plenty of prompt support here at the forum. Again, thank you to the staff and anybody else who helped troubleshoot my problem.
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Post by eserice on Dec 29, 2011 22:41:04 GMT
I followed Mike advice, copied the ca727asi.gau inj the panel cfg file, and disabled the airspeed.gau. Now the ASI shows in the panel. I am using Windows Vista, so it seems the problem is related to Windows Vista and Windows 7.
Thank you for your support.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Dec 30, 2011 0:34:20 GMT
YEAH .... but the thing is .... on the basis if what I´ve advised above that simply shouldn´t be necessary. All that should be necessary is .... Renaming the supplied gauge file ....and then editing the appropriate PANEL.CFG gauge entry according to the new gauge file name. That´s precisely what I did when I ran into this same problem .... nearly 1 year ago when I first started evaluating all these panels. What I´ve recommended is precisely how I got that ASI gauge to display, for me, and in doing so I thought I´d resolved the problem generally. "NO" .... because if you read, carefully, my comments above .... I ran into this same issue in WINDOWS XP PRO during my evaluations and before I resolving it (for myself at least) as stated above. I don´t know which of our MD80/90 model versions the 2 posters reporting this issue are using, but, I have recommended, within my PANEL INSTALLATION & HANDLING NOTES .... "SECTION 2" .... in both the "MD80 EARLY ANALOGUE" and "MD80 LATE ANALOGUE" panel descriptions .... that these 2 panels, in particular, "should not" be used with either our MD87 or MD90 aircraft ... because doing so will result in a yet unresolved missing ASI gauge. The really weird thing about all of this is in WINDOWS XP PRO, and FS2004, I can use either of these 2 panels (edited as stated above) with any of our MD81/82/83 and 88 aircraft models and FDE .... and experience "no missing anything". HOWEVER .... when I tested these same 2 panels with our MD87 and MD90 aircraft models and FDE (by choice wouldn´t permanently apply either of these 2 panels to these particular aircraft simply because they´re not cosmetically appropriate) I suddenly get a missing ASI once again !!!! This´s why .... throughout the MD80/90 PANEL INSTALLATION & HANDLING NOTES I´ve specifically stated/repeated precisely what panel versions should be used with which each aircraft version .... and I can only hope that people do read and then heed this advice Mark C BOG/COL
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Post by CORLL ONE on Dec 30, 2011 9:29:50 GMT
MD81 - use the MD80 (white) PANEL by Paul GOLDING & Tom WOODS
MD82 - use either the MD80 (red) PANEL by Paul GOLDING & Leon SEALE .... or .... the MD80 (semi-EFIS) by Marco SPADA & Paul GOLDING
MD83 - use either MD80 (red) PANEL by Paul GOLDING & Leon SEALE .... or .... the MD80 (semi-EFIS) PANEL by Marco SPADA & Paul GOLDING
This is exactly what I went by. I did not try to integrate an MD81/82/83 panel with an MD87 or MD90.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Dec 30, 2011 13:31:53 GMT
That´s good .... and what you´re showing there is "PRECISELY " how you should have these aircraft/panel versions configured. At least CORLL ONE´s got it right ! BTW .... what I stated in my last posting is just 1 those things that does (from experience here) need to be reminded/restated quite frequently .... because some people are inclined to "wing it"/not follow advice and which can then result in various issues. All of this, of course, still doesn´t help explain "WHY" there might be some degree of system related sensitivity in respect of that particular ASI used in both of the 2 analogue panels .... causing it to not display "on some systems only". All of the components featured wityhin each of these 2 particular panels represent the latest versions available .... for FS2004 .... and are more recent than similar versions of these available at FLIGHTSIM.COM. ONCE AGAIN .... "renaming the ASI gauge in these 2 panels and appropriately editing its reference within the CFG" (should the ASI not display in the panel) does seem to resolve any issue for the MD81/82/83 .... or at least it did for me asnd on my XP PRO OS .... but .... not necessarily so for the MD87/90, but, which should be using the other stated and cosmetically different panel options/versions anyway.This sort of experience could just be the result of something as simple/basic as PC/OS based protocols (I dunno), but, I´m certainly interested in the oppinion of anyone, out there, with a serious backgrounding in gauge formatting/programming whom might be able to contribute intelligent oppinion regarding this rather strange/unusual issue which may afecct "some" (only) .... but .... not everyone generally. Mark C BOG/COL
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