FYI - Auto Throttle

[eastern1004]

If'n yer interested, and if'n ya use 'em, Auto Throttle works in the Caravelle's

You have to use a separate Autopilot device, the Caravelle AP has no AT function. You can add the B737, Learjet, or whatever AP as a panel window, or the full function mini panel seen here.

Also, as seen in the pic, the AT works independently from the main AP, note that the AP is OFF, (only the IAS button is lit) but the aircraft is accelerating using the AT



Certainly reduces the climbout / approach workload ;D

[walterleo]

Sometimes I ask myself: Why should one "fly" a classic jet and try to make it work like an AB 320? An alternative to that would be trying out the power-settings, attitude and speed and the workload deminishes considerable. Real pilots of this old jets had their numbers ready and it works also in the simulation (with a grain of salt). Aerofotos flying tips are a great help for that.

Kind regards

Walter

P.S.: The Caravelle 12 had an AT for approaches. But his version is not in the HJG hangar. Some classics like the Tu-154 had an AT but its use was only restricted to ILS approaches. In the PT-Tu-154 simulation a ball-figure (full flaps, 82% N2, 270 km/h -4 m/sec +6 deg AoA) works much better on final approach as the AT.

[eastern1004]

This is my favorite hand flyer, I'll hand fly a couple hour or so flights.

But,longer flights in Flyteline I'll use the AP and occasionally the AT. Gladly )

Mostly this post is about I had no idea the AT worked in the Caravelle, I assumed it didn't.

I happened to switch from an A-321 with the AT armed, to the Caravelle. So, the IAS light was ON in the mini panel of the Caravelle, set at 250.

And the Caravelle immediately started to accelerate, YIKES!!

[walterleo]

Hi:
On some simulation your workearound will work on others not. But besides that: The main problem one has flying classic jets on the simulator is:
These airplanes where built for crews of 3 to 5 crewmemebers and in FS we are alone singlepilot. So we dont have a FI which will look after the engines and their powersettings, we dont have a navigator who will know where you actually are. So some solutions come in like using AT or GPS. BUT: In the real airplane they didnt exist or didnt work well and with good reason their use was strictly limited to the special task they were built and licensed. As in our hobby we dont have fleet managers, check-pilots etc. who will demand explanations we are free to "fly" as we like.
I raised the point, because here are classic jets treated and for me it looks weired to have modern instruments on a Caravelle. At their time this airplanes were state of the art but not at half a century later.
But the pilots of that airplanes had their procedures which helped them in the lack of technical solutions. The easiest procedure was to have some basic numbers for the differnt flight regimes. Knowing that for the simulation helps to understand better the simulation, the real airplane and how they were flown.
Kind regards
Walter

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

By this reply .... I hope to try'n "KILL" all this AT related business once'n'for all

The only HJG simulations/panels which, currently, feature an AT system are those for the B717-200, B727-200 ADVC, B727-200 RE SUPER 27, L1011 TRISTAR, and the MD80/90 (series) .... and also those for the DC9 too (ours represent an SAS configuration) which feature an AT system, of sorts, but, one which is, apparently, only ever used during approaches to landing and not, at all, during climb or cruise.

HJG strives to try'n be as "technically authentic" as possible .... to a point .... limited only by it's own knoweledge and designer/programer skills/capabilities .... in as much being restricted by certain FS limitations of course too.

Later versions of "some" of (but not not all of) the B707's and DC8's were equipped with "a form of" AT system .... BUT .... in the words of many retired aircrew with whom I've corresponded over the years .... these systems were seldom ever used/relied upon, if used at all, because they simply didn't work very well .... SO .... most crews opted not to use these systems .... at all.

I've heard that the later CARAVELLE versions (those not, yet, represented by AFG/HJG) .... like the SUPER 12 .... possibly .... were equipped with an AT system, but, just how it was used and how well it too functuioned I simply "wouldn't have a clue".

ANYWAY ....

I hope this reply goes some distance to explain why .... despite many past requests .... AT systems simply won't be found within most HJG simulations.

With older jetliners (like the B707's, B720's, early B727's, CV880's, CV990's, and DC8's .... all of which are represented by HJG) .... engine power/thrust was set, then it had to be "constantly monitored" in accordance with the aircrafts performance, and then "re-adjusted" in order to ensure/maintain the aircrafts continued intended performance. Lets just say .... these are/were very much "HANDS ON" aeroplanes .... and the F/E was, usually, a "very busy" person indeed

HJG have tried to replicate this (the set/monitor/adjust/re-adjust engine power/thrust necessity) within its simulations .... simply to try'n give folk "the most authentic experience possible within FS" .... if not to try'n impress upon folk just what some of these early, high workload (in comparison to modern jetliners of today), aircraft might have been like to fly.

"ENJOY THESE SIMULATIONS" .... for what they are and how they're represented

Because I don't think one will find anything better .... at least not for FS

Mark C
AKL/NZ