Why do I have to go so fast to rotate?

[united727]

Maybe I'm doing something wrong. I set flaps 5 and I have to be going 200kt + to get it to rotate. Thanks.

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

1. You're probably flying overweight .... therefore you need to reduce either fuel load and/or payload.

2. You've also probably failed to set any elevator trim setting (and this'll likely be your prime problem) .... therefore ou need to set at approximately 5 units of elevator trim for any T/O at around MGW.

3. You're probably not selecting sufficient flap setting either .... therefore you need to set at least 2 to 3 increments/notches of flap for any departure at around MGW and which will correspond to a, roughly, 15* degree flap setting.

Attend to all of the above .... "correctly" .... and you should, then, have no difficulty, whatsoever, rotating and then becomming airborne by around 155 to 160 KTS .... or there-abouts.

The weight and engine thrust for each of the MD80/90 version aircraft represented by HJG "differ" considerably (in accoradance with realworld specifications) .... and these difference are reflected in the handling for each of these aircraft simulations too.

See my "BASIC (recommended) MD80/90 FLYING GUIDES" (both "SECTION 2" and "SECTION 3") as per my following posting and which also serves as the online/forum based manual for each of the HJG MD80/90 simulations ....
tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/thread/5002/md80-panel-installation-handling-notes

Mark C
AKL/NZ

[ram1220]

I am noticing the same thing. Using the TWA Md82 and the "red" panel. Using the flaps setting of 3 I have to have my trim at +12 in order for the plane to get off the ground. If I set the trim at +5 it never gets off the ground. I too thought this was a weight problem with the aircraft. So I used 60% fuel and even changed the weight of passengers and cargo to only 100lbs just to test. The plane never got off the ground until I increased the trim to +12. I do have one other problem with this airplane that I posted in another thread. I have all sounds working properly but can not get any altitude callouts. All other sounds, overspeed, glideslope warning, etc all are working. I reinstalled the plane and panel today and made extra sure I followed all instructions to a T. But the trim problem and the no altitude callout problem still remain. When I have more time tomorrow I might just re download the TWA MD82 and "red" panel as well as the sound file just in case I have a corrupted download. I have used the HJG B727-100/200 as well as the DC9-30 for almost 2 years now with absolutely no problem. But these two things have me stumped.

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

"PILOT ERROR" .... I suspect

As I mentioned above .... a wee while back now.

Even at MGW (in FS) .... the HJG MD82 .... loaded according to my following "basic flying guide" recommendations ....

MD-82

2X P&W JT8D-217A/C fanjet engines rated at 20,000 LBS thrust e/a

MGTOW = 149,500 LBS

FUEL & PAYLOAD

Default Overload=5,437 LBS

LEFT = 90.0%
CENTER = 82.6%
RIGHT = 90.0%
No payload adjustment .... results in 2 LB overload

.... and configured in accordaqnce with my following recommoended "basic flying guide" settings also ....

TRIM = 5.0 units (gauge indication)
FLAP SETTING = 15*
MAX T/O THRUST = N1 95% (TOGA)

.... then this particular simulation will/Should have "absolutely no difficulty" being able to rotate and get off the ground at between 155-160 KIAS (or there-abouts) .... even with a full load/at MGW.

Using the GOLDING RED, GOLDING WHITE, and the SPADA SEMI EFIS MD80 panels .... I acknowledge that setting a pecise "5-unit" (or even "7-unit") elevator trim setting for T/O is "a little difficult" .... simply because no onvious/clear gauge indication is displayed in either of these panel version in order to show/confirm the actual elevator trim setting position set .... SO .... in the absence of this I recommend one pays attention to the overhead anunciator panel on the main panel, and in particular note what should appear (under normal circumstances) as an illuminated "STAB OUT OF TRIM" lamp/indication. I then recommend one should tap ones trim button continuously (on my WINDOWS XP PRO keyboard I use the "END" key to set trim "up" .... and "HOME" key to set trim "down" .... since using these particular keyboard commands usually results in a far smoother responce to input than some controller devices with programable settings) until this particular warning lamp extinguishes automatically. Once done, then, the the elavator trim angle will/should equate to that of approximately the recommended trim setting.

I also recommend one go to SETTIMGS/SENSITIVITIES within FS .... and ensure ones "ELEVATOR AXIS" slider is set to its "default"/mid-point position. "IF" this particular setting has been reduced, for any reason, then that "IS" ;ikely going to affect ones ability to be able to rotate for T/O .... at any speed.

Anothner detail I recommend also ....

One should alsio Check the general calibration of ones controller device (yoke or joystick) to ensure that it's actually working properly/correctly .... or problems could feasibly occur.

FYI ....

Out of curiosity .... I've, just prior to replying to this posting, performed a test (retest in my case .... since I'm the prime individual, at HJG, who's responsible for testing and certifying most of what's currently offered here .... including the preparation of most manual and flying guides too) using the HJG MD82, at MGW, loaded and configured precisely as I've recommended above, and using the very same panel verso also .... and then setting trim exactly as described above, BUT. I can't .... for the life of me .... replicate the problem problem being reported here. I accelerated the simulation along the RWY, using max thrust, and commenced my rotation at approximately 155 KIAS (rotation was slow/smooth .... as it should be) .... and I was airborne at around 165 KIAS.

no altitude callout problem still remain

I've responded .... a 2nd time .... to your original posting on this matter.

Please refer to my posted recommendation on that particular thread

Mark C
AKL/NZ

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

Just a wee bit more about this MD82 elevator trim setting/axis issue ....

As I mentioned in my last posting (above) it's important to adjust the weight/loading of the simulation (first and foremost) .... THEN .... try'n set the appropriate elevator trim setting/axis in conjunction with at least 3 knotches of flap too.

I also earlier mentioned eyeballing that "STAB OUT OF TRIM" waarning lamp illuminated on the main panel overhead in the GOLDING RED (and WHITE) MD80 panel/s.

I performed a few more tests this evening in order to try'n "better determine" how the best T/O elevator trim setting might be applied in the absence of a panel guage that actually indicates this particular setting.

On my keyboard (those associated with other Windoes OS types may differ) .... it required "26-26" very brief/short/quick taps on the "END" key (which, on a WINDOWS XP PRO keyboard, represents trim "UP" adjustment) in order to be able to cancel/extinguish the "STAB OUT OF TRIM" warning lamp. After doing this .... a quick external/visual check of the models elevator trim axis seemed to confirm the applied setting was OK. Rotation during the T/O roll was smooth, but slow, from around 155 KIAS (requiring quite a bit of back pressure) .... and I was airborne by approximately 165 KIAS. "THAT" was with a full load .... "REMEMBER". I'd expect this T/O performance to improve, somewhat, with progressively lighter loadings whilst still using rougly the same elevator trim setting/axis.

I then went a bit further ....

As I mentioned above .... using my keyboard it required some "23-26" taps (and I mean very brief/short taps in every sense of the description) on the "END" key to adjust the elevator trim axis sufficiently in order to extinguish the "STAB OUT OF TRIM" warning lamp .... BUT THEN .... going a wee bit further .... similarly briefly tapping the "END" key for a total of "43-46" taps ..... then doing another external visual check of the models elevator trim axis (which again didn't reveal anything concerning) .... I then returned to panel view to perform yet another T/O (again with a full load) .... once again rotating at around 155 KIAS. This time I observed the simulation to "definitely" rotate a little more decisively/easily (but still smoothly) than was the case previously.

I don't think there's anything wrong here.

I think the concern that has arisen here .... is actually brought about by not being able to so easily determine "the precise" elevator trim setting (per a panel guage indication) when using the GOLDING RED (or WHITE) panel/s .... and which "IS" a limitation of these particular panel versions.

AT THE END OF THE DAY .... the simulation "DOES" perform OK .... so long sufficient elevator trim setting is eventually applied.

Just have "A PLAY WITH IT" .... in order to determine whatever may be the best setting/s using your own devices/system

Mark C
AKL/NZ

[ram1220]

As I wrote in my reply I do use the 3rd flap setting as well as +5 on the trim. I make sure N1 is at 95%. Whether the plane is heavy or only 100lbs (for testing) the plane will not get off the ground. The plane will accelerate to 210kts and keep speeding up but will in no way even rotate the front wheel until I change the trim to +12. And yes I am pulling back on the flight yoke. If I leave it at +5 it just continues to gain speed on the ground. I am not new at this. And it is not pilot error. I have been simming since the Sublogic ATP program. I have used all of the MS Flight Sims. I am not new at this. I do not have any other problem with any other plane. I fly your B727-100/200 and DC9-30 all the time and have never had a problem.
I am going to try an uninstall of the TWA Md82 as well as the "red" panel and the Aeromusica sounds. I will re download them again and try a reinstall. If this problem continues then I will just stay with the B727 and the DC9. I have read the instructions and the how to use information over and over. I do know what I am doing.

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

I do use the 3rd flap setting as well as +5 on the trim. I make sure N1 is at 95% ....
The plane will accelerate to 210kts and keep speeding up but will in no way even rotate the front wheel until I change the trim to +12 ....
I do know what I am doing.

I don't doubt you know what you're doing .... it's just that I can't (for the life of me) seem to replicate your/any problem

Beyond what I'm about to advise below .... I don't think there's much more I can contribute/advise given the already "pretty thorough" re-testing (reported above) performed by me yesterday.

PLEASE NOTE .... that initial +5 (or +7) units of trim setting quoted by you are in acordance with what I've been recommending per my "basic flying guides" for the MD80's .... BUT REMEMBER .... and as quoted within those notes .... that particular setting applies to the SOUTHEY B717-200/MD80-90 panel version only.

I do use each of the other 3 panel versions to test these simulations (for the benefit of forum support) .... BUT .... not so much.

I think I've also already implied (per my previous postings) that the extent of T/O elevator trim setting required when using the GOLDING RED/WHITE MD80 panel versions "does" appear to be greater than that for the the SOUTHEY panel version. Different panel versions are abviously supported by mostly different gauge sets .... therefore .... the recommended best performance settings/configurations are bound to vary accordingly also.

Using the GOLDING RED (and WHITE) MD80 panel version/s .... I have also previously advisde that the extent of "input" required in order to set sufficient T/O elevator trim settin/axis "did" seem to be greater .... and that this might even vary between systems and controller devices too.

This morning .... and once again just out of curiosity only .... I've performed another test. only this time I've imaged what i'm seeing rather than just commenting about it. I don't, normaly, produce imagery showing FS data (SHIFT Z display), but, in this particular case I think it's probably essential in order to be able demonstrate precisely what I've been trying to communicate so far. I want you to pay attention to the airspend data informaton displayed at the top of each image as well as reviwing what appears to be happening within each of these following 2 images also ....

This test was conducted using the following HJG hosted GOLDING RED MD80 panel version ....


Departing with a full load/MGW (fuel only adjustment as follows .... LEFT TANK = 80% .... CENTER TANK = 82.6% .... RIGHT TANK = 90% .... and no payload/cargo/PAX adjustment at all .... and a T/O elevator trim setting/axis which corresponds with that previously described by me) .... rotation was "commenced" (very smoothly) from 155 KIAS .... and by 165/166 KIAS the simulation was "about to become" airborne ....


By 170 KIAS .... the simulation was well'n'truely "up and at it" and climbing away from the RWY nicely ....



I'm begining to suspect that maybe the calibration of your controller device might be "somewhat bit out of whack".

Such could result in what, you say, experiencing.

Have you also gone to FS "SETTINGS/SENSITIVITIES" and then checked that your "ELEVATOR AXIS" slider is indeed set to its default/mid point ?

"IF" it's not .... then .... that (as I mentioned earlier also) might not help your case either.

"IF" your confident you've done all what I've so far recommended, but, still have an issue to be reconciled .... THEN .... there's just one more/last adjustment which I can recommend and that you might like to try (and anyone else may try this too .... "IF" they also feel they'ree experiening a similar issue) and which is as follows ....


1. Open your MD80 AIRCRAFT.CFG file.

2. Scroll down to the [AIRPLANE_GEOMETRY] section of this CFG file.

3. Identify the data line which reads "ELEVATOR TRIM LIMIT=" .... by default it should currently read as follows ....

elevator_trim_limit = 12.0

.... THEN .... edit the suffixed numerical value on thisd particular data line to read "19.0" .... so that this complete line then reads as precisely follows ....

elevator_trim_limit = 19.0

.... and then save this edit.


Try out that setting and see how you get along.

It will/should result in some improvement .... BUT THEN .... the previously quoted input required in order to set the best T/O elevator trim setting/axis will now have no relevence at all. With the absence of a dedicated trim position gauge in the GOLDING RED/WHITE MD80 panels .... I recommend you do as follows ....

- tap your trim setting button (or keyboard command) for a trim "UP" setting until the "STAB OUT OF TRIM" lamp extinguishes.

- Once the "STAB OUT OF TRIM" lamp extinguishes .... then continue tapping your trim setting device (continuedtrim "up" input) until this lamp re-illuminates again .... and then .... continuing to use your trim setting device apply trim "down" input until this lamp extinguishes again.

These actions should result in the best T/O elevator trim setting "for a MGW" T/O.

I agree .... it's an unusual/arse-about-kite method of trying to achieve an essential setting, but, using the panel version you;ve opted to adopt it's all one can be done in order to guaruntee achievibg the right setting for best overall performance.

I, prsonally, don't need to resort to such action .... and nor should most other folk either .... BUT HEY .... this's FS, and in FS, some things "DO" react differently with various other systems and installations .... impoing a lot of frustration for everyone in the process

Beyond all of this .... I don't think there's really much more I can suggest/advise

Mark C
AKL/NZ

[ram1220]

Thanks for the replies. Honestly this is the first time that I have heard you state there might be differences in the needed amount of trim setting for takeoff in reference to the "red" panel and the Southey panel. I do indeed think that is what is happening here. I spent the entire afternoon today trying to sort out this problem as well as the no altitude callout problem. I posted my fix to the callout problem in my other thread. As to this excessive trim setting for takeoff I will just have to live with it. I have checked all of my calibration settings and they are all correct. The bottom line is that I just have to set the trim at +12 and use the third flap setting in order to get my MD82 off the ground at all. Doing so the plane takes off nicely as it's supposed to at the proper speeds. I'll just have to remember this as part of my checklist and just ignore the trim warning light. As I've said before I have flown your DC9-30 and B727-100/200 planes for over 2 years. I haven't had one problem with either of those planes. Something just isn't right with the combinations of TWA MD82 and "red" panel and the sound package that I installed per the recommendations here. But it's something I can live with. Thank you for your replies. I wish the OP of this thread would reply with a fix if he actually found one.

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

this is the first time that I have heard you state there might be differences in the needed amount of trim setting for takeoff in reference to the "red" panel and the Southey panel

I suppose I should have been a little clearer .... but .... thought it'd been sufficiently implied by the fact that each my basic flying guides do state as follows ....

PANEL = "SOUTHEY B717-200"

Different panels supported by different guages sets can, sometimes, impose slightly different settings/configurations/indications such as those for T/O elevator trim setting/axis .... and other parameters too .... BUT HEY .... not to worry too much

I acknowledge the rotation issue reported by you has in fact been reported by at leasst one other person since these simulations were first released by HJG (2011), but, the edit plus advice I've recommended (above) should be sufficient to resolve this for anybody whom feels they have a similar issue to be reconciled.

The plane will accelerate to 210kts and keep speeding up but will in no way even rotate

I still think this particular issue might be controller device specific more than it's likely be panel/gauge imposed .... simply because, as can be seen per my own FS data placarded imagery .... commencing rotation from around 155 KIAS, I seem to have no difficulty, whatsoever, getting airbourne, with a full load, by around 165/166 KIAS. I've never (until now) .... ever .... heard of anyone needing to accelerate in excess of 200 KTS in order to be able to rotate the simulation for T/O.

The bottom line is that I just have to set the trim at +12

I don't want to drag this thread out (because I don't think there's much more that I can add), but, I'm curious to know how/where you're reading such a precise elevator trim setting/axis value of "+12" .... considering the absence of a spcific gauge in that particular pahel version (GOLDING RED MD80) with which to be able to determine this

Finally .... and beyond what I've suggested so far .... I wouldn't have a clue what's causing your particvular issue .... I'm sorry

Mark C
AKL/NZ

[ram1220]

I don't want to drag this thread out (because I don't think there's much more that I can add), but, I'm curious to know how/where you're reading such a precise elevator trim setting/axis value of "+12" .... considering the absence of a spcific gauge in that particular pahel version (GOLDING RED MD80) with which to be able to determine this

I am not sure how to post screen shots here in this forum. So please refer to the picture of the "red" panel in your post above that you posted. If you look just to the left of the spoiler selector knob you will see the screen with DME and a few numbers on it. On the very bottom left of this screen you will see a +12 or +13. (I can't read that number from your picture since it's too small) But I believe this number to be the trim number. Because if I move my trim up or down using number pad 7 and 1 this number changes. And if I do this while in flight the pitch of the plane changes. I believe this is the trim readout due to the way the aircraft functions. If I set this number to +5 the plane won't get off the ground. However the overhead trim light is not on. If I select trim to where this number says +12 the plane will become airborne like it is supposed to even though the trim light on the overhead panel will light up and show a warning. So that is where I get the trim number from to answer your question. So I am just going to live with things the way they are since using my settings work. I do not feel the problem is with my system nor is it a calibration problem with my system. These have been checked and rechecked and are fine. Plus if it were my calibration settings wouldn't the other DC9-30 and B727-100/200 be having problems? They are working perfectly. Anyway I ended up writing a book here. But I wanted to answer your question about where I was getting my trim setting number from. Again thanks for the suggestions. I will live with things as they are. If I really get to the point where I can't stand it I will just switch back to the DC9-30 and the B727-100/200 since they work perfectly. Have a great day

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

If you look just to the left of the spoiler selector knob you will see the screen with DME and a few numbers on it. On the very bottom left of this screen you will see a +12 or +13. (I can't read that number from your picture since it's too small) But I believe this number to be the trim number. Because if I move my trim up or down using number pad 7 and 1 this number changes. And if I do this while in flight the pitch of the plane changes. I believe this is the trim readout due to the way the aircraft functions.

Actually .... that's one "very tiny" detail which I hadn't noticed previously.

Tell ya what I'll consider doing ....

In order to aid/promote everyones enjoyment of these panels .... and when I've time to do so .... I'll perform some more checks, using the GOLDING RED/WHITE MD80 panel versions, and then note the best T/O elevator trim settings (now that we've discovered this information might be displayed) .... and then add whatever I determine to be "the most suitable" settings (using these aircraft/panel combinations) to my established basic flying guide information.

As I mentioned earlier .... the MD80 panel version, upon which each of my recommended basic flying guides are currently based, is the SOUTHEY B717-200/MD80-80 EFIS/glass panel version.

As also mentioned earlier .... due to panel/guage differences (obviously) it's conceivable that the recommended +5 or +7 units of trim value (which applies to the SOUTHEY panel version) might equate to a value of +12 (or there-abouts) using the GOLDING RED/WHITE MD80 analogue/digital panel versions.

I think that's the best I can consider doing .... in the absence of any, real, known issue/problem

Mark C
AKL/NZ

[ram1220]

Sounds good to me. I tried the Southey B717/MD80 panel but I am using a widescreen monitor. On this panel one of the windshield posts is right smack in my line of sight for landing. It hides the runway. So annoying that I switched to the "red" panel. I guess that's why I wanted to get this "red" panel working well for me. I just completed two more flights using the TWA MD82 and the "red" panel. Using the +12 trim setting she took off properly and flies like a dream

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

HMMM ....

He's possibly not going like, let alone agree with, some of what I'm about to present .... BUT .... I feel obliged to share what I've determined as of today .... based on my reviewing certain details for benefit of "everyone" generally.

FIRST AND FOREMOST THOUGH ....

In respect of the GOLDING RED/WHITE MD80 panels. He's "quite right" in regard to what he's identified (above) as being the elevator trim setting indicatior (something I'd actually missed .... or just plain forgotten about with the passage of time) .... and it "does" indicate in response to manual or AP controlled trim input.

INCIDENTALLY ....

- Using the SPADA semi-EFIS MD80 panel (which is very similar to both GOLDING versions) .... the elevator trim setting is displayed (more clearly) on the Center Pedestal sub panel and somewhat to the left of the spoiler lever.

- Using the SOUTHEY EFIS B717-200/MD80-80 panel .... the elevator trim setting indication is displayed (just as obviously) on the 4th EFIS screen .... only when the selector knob for this particular screen (localted above it) is set to it's fully left detente.

I'm sure we can all agree on this much (above) .... BUT ... some of what follows might be subject to opposing opinion ....

This afternoon I commenced what I suggested I'd do (above) .... in respect of checking T/O elevator trim settings on each of the 2 GOLDING (RED and WHITE MD80 panel versions .... as well as the SPADA semi-EFIS MD80 panel version too .... with a view to, possibly then, incorporating additional information (regarding the best MGW T/O elevator trim values for each of these simulations) into my established flying guides .... BUT .... upon commencing this task it quickly became apparent, to me, that the values he deems necessary to set, on his own set up, in order to achieve a desirable result simply "DO NOT", in any way, paralell mine.

I performed checks on the MD81, -82, and -83 simulations .... which also included retesting 2 other new versions of these aircraft in the form of the MD82-SF and MD83-SF freighters that HJG will soon be releasing.

Each of these aircraft types vary primarily in regard to their simulated MGW .... with some minor engine thrust variations applicable in some cases too.

I didn't perform checks using the 2 MD87's, or the MD88, or any of the MD90-30's either. I simply didn't have time today, but, reviewing ing the HJG MD81, -82, and -83 simulations, is, I think, sufficient for the purpose of presenting this particular story

Using the MD81, -82, or -83 .... and ajusting the weight for each simulations in accordance with the MGW loadings recommended within my flying guides, I concluded that the "maximum" T/O elevator trim setting, using my own set up (a SAITEK X52 FLIGHT CONTROL SYSTEM), was a +7 units indication .... and this setting also corresponded with an extinguished "STAB OUT OF TRIM" lamp indication (as featured within the 2 GOLDING panels only). The SPADA panel doesn't seem to feature such a trim related anunciator lamp, or if it does, then I've missed it .... and whilst the elevator trim value is constantly visible within an EFIS screen oo the SOUTHEY panel version (provided that screens selector knob is set to its left detente), it too, doesn't seem to feature such an anunciator lamp either, however, a bad or out of trim condition is indicasted per a magenta coloured trim indication within the EFIS window .... so far as I'm aware.

Using this +7 units elevator trim value .... I'd no difficulty, whatsoever, rotating either of these simulations within the 150-155 KIAS range (depending on the simulated weight of each aircraft version) .... or becomming airborne within the 160-165 KIAS range (once again depending on the simulated weight of each aircraft versiom). Additionaslly .... I could even do this, very easily, using a +5 units elevator trim setting also .... although I admit that the MD82 (probably due to its slightly higher recommended fuel adjustment/loading) seems to favour more a T/O elevator trim setting of around +7 units using either of the 4 current HJG hosted MD80/90 panel versions.

When I set a T/O elevator trim value of +12 units (or there-abouts) for any of these MD80 simulations, then, for me, such a setting did still work, but, it also resulted in .... (1) a "STAB OUT OF TRIM" indication (GOLDING panels only) .... and (2) a much higher initial ROC than I condsidered desirable after T/O and prior to clean-up (gear and flap retraction) .... hence my continuing to recomend a MGW T/O elevator trim setting of between +5 and +7 units, and which, for me, resulted in a an approximkately 1500-2000 FPM initial ROC using flap 15 (I think it is) .... or at least 3 knothes of flap.

SO THEN .... there we have it folks. As I've, personally, seen/experienced it, again, today. And all of which concurrs with my original 2011 pre-release observations for these simulations.

Based of these results the most I'd ever recommend anyone do .... "IF", for any reason, one feels they might have any such problem needing to be resolved .... is to do precisely as follows ....

Go to FS "SETTINGS/SENSITIVITIES" and check that the "ELEVATOR AXIS" slider is set to its default/mid point

THEN ....

Open the MD80 AIRCRAFT.CFG file.

1. Scroll down to the [AIRPLANE_GEOMETRY] section.

2. Identify the data line which reads "ELEVATOR TRIM LIMIT=" .... by default it should read as follows ....

elevator_trim_limit = 12.0

3. Edit this value to read "19.0" .... so this line then reads as precisely follows ....

elevator_trim_limit = 19.0

4. Save the above edit.

.... BUT .... don't be lured into performing any edits other than those "suggested" above .... because I simply don't believe it's necessary

I don't doubt that "RAN1220" is experiencing issues with T/O elevator trim settings and related performance using the HJG supplied MD80 simulations.

Why that should be case .... I simply couldn't hazard a guess .... other than to, regrettably, once again, "suggest", that what he's experiencing is, possibly, related to his own set-up, or rather, the way in which it's interpreting some the HJG MD80 data .... for whatever peculiar and yet to be determined reason might apply. I can't think of any other reason .... and todays review further reassures me in regard to what I'm stating/promoting here

SORRY FOLKS .... for my length and persistance with this particular case, but, feeling a degree of obligation toward HJG, and this community also, I don't think I could put myself out further if I tried .... even if what I've communicated isn't what some people want to hear let alone agree with

I won't now be editing any of my flying guides .... since it doesn't seem to be necessary.

I also won't be contributing anything further to this particular thread (either) .... "unless (once again) any real need arises for me to have to do so.


Mark C
AKL/NZ

[ram1220]

One more question and I am done here. Is there any way to move the windshield pillar on the Southey B717/MD80 panel? The center pillar is right in the middle of the screen and obscures the runway while on final approach. I like this panel and everything works perfect for me while using it. Except for the fact that the windshield pillar is right smack in the middle of my view. Are there any settings in the .cfg or anywhere that would allow me to move this pillar to the right or left. I don't see this issue on any other MD80/B717 panel. Thanks.

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

"NO" .... there's not I'm sorry

The window combings in that particular panel are "a fixture".

Unlike is the case with some panels (like the DMFS COMET 4 panel for instance) these can't be moved or otherwise adjusted.

The 2 GOLDING panels, and the SPADA panel also, were essentially designed by the same individual .... but .... you'd be right to imply these 3 panel version do represent (what I call) "a better/correct pilots eye perspective" from the left seat position.

The SOUTHEY B727-200/MD80-80 EFIS panel "IS" good (my own favourates for these particular aircraft in fact) .... but .... it does represent (again what I call) more of "an observers eye perspective from a center flighrdeck/jumpseat position .... at least from my own jumpseat experience/s.

It's not an issues, but rather, being produce by an entirely different author this particular panel design reflects his personal preferences,

It none-the-less functions "VERY WELL" though.

"IF" one's alligned correctly with the RWY during either any AP controlled ILS coupled auto-approach to landing, or, durin any fully manual approach to landing also .... then those windshield combings will not/should not interfere with ones view of the RWY throughout any approach to landing and as is implied by my following image ....





The same environmental view should be true of either standard or widescreen monitors .... regardless.

BTW .... JUST ONE SMALL DETAIL ....

Rather than branching off into another separate topic within the same thread. Please consider starting a separate/new thread for each different topic/subject. The general community might benefit a little more in this manner .... "THANKS"

Mark C
AKL/NZ