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Post by ram1220 on Dec 18, 2014 15:57:29 GMT
Flew the DC10-10 yesterday. I loved it. Great job! Only gripe I could find was the auto retract of the flaps after landing. I like to retract the flaps on my own. Does the real DC10-10 have auto retraction? Other than that I love the plane and will fly it a lot. Thanks.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Dec 18, 2014 18:07:00 GMT
There does seem to be some form of flap auto-retract feature/ability designed these DC10 simulations/panels .... in that I've seen this, but, "in so far as I've seen it" I can also say it's not a constant/standard feature and seems to be triggered by "certain circumstances/events". So far as I can determine .... if one brakes "HARD" near the end of any RWY during roll-out after landing, then, this does seems to enable/trigger a flap auto-retract function .... BUT .... if one reverses down to approximately 60 KTS and then uses only moderate braking action then auto-flap feature desn't seem to be triggered/enabled. In fact the other day I was prforming some post release/future development tests .... and got interrupted after landing .... and upon my return to the simulation ended up taxiing to the gate with both the flaps and spoilers extended .... in that they didn't auto-retract  I'm not saying that the above after-landing braking precedure is one that should be applied. All I'm saying here is .... at this point of time .... that's what I've observed during extensibve pre-release testing. I didn't consider that the flap auto-retract function was a priority modification .... and we may try to address this within a future update. The HJG hosted SOUTHEY version B717-200/EFIS MD80 panel has a similar feature designed into it too .... BUT .... with this particular panel it seems to be a standard function. I don't believe the DC10's (MD10's or MD11's) had such a feature. Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by ram1220 on Dec 19, 2014 15:44:42 GMT
I have done 4 flights and on each landing I used reverse thrust to slow the plane. No braking. Each time I turned off reverse thrust at 60 kts. Then with light braking I slowed enough to exit the runway. In all 4 cases the flap auto retract has occurred as I retracted the spoilers. To me it seems to be tied to this and not hard braking. (I did not use hard braking)I'll look in the aircraft.cfg and see if there is a way to disable flaps auto retraction. If I can't it's no big deal. I love the plane too much and can just ignore this issue. This is with the DC10-10. I haven't used the other types. Thanks for the response Mark.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Dec 20, 2014 4:31:08 GMT
I'm seeing it to, but, not all the time .... strangely.
I'm pretty sure the auto-flap retraction must be triggered by a/some braking event though .... be it hard, moderate, or gentle.
I've just flown a DC10-40 KSEA/KLAX .... and "after" landing at LAX the flaps "did" auto-retract (this time) .... and it did, seem, to me, to be in conjunction with a manual braking event .... because it only happened "after" I gently squeezed the brake trigger on my controller (SITEK X52 Flight Contro System). By virtue this/my report in regard to this particular DC10 version (-40) .... along with your own observations using the DC10-10 also, then, I'd say there's potential for this auto-flap retract (but not for the spoilers) to occur with each of these DC10 simulations .... since the flap gauge, and all supporting flap data within the FDE, is precisely the same.
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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Post by ram1220 on Dec 20, 2014 15:52:43 GMT
On my last flight with the DC10-10 I landed and used only reverse thrust. By the end of the runway I was down to about 15kts. As I turned off the runway I left the spoilers up and the flaps down. On the turnoff I needed to add a little thrust to maintain speed. As soon as I added a little thrust the flaps started to retract. The spoilers were still activated or up. So I was wrong in that the auto retraction of flaps is not tied to retracting the spoilers. I am thinking it might be tied to adding some thrust as I turn off the runway. I didn't use any braking at all. Sure is a weird phenomenon. I can live with it though |
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Post by jardx on Mar 22, 2022 3:39:43 GMT
I know I’m posting on an old thread but I thought I’d add that there was an auto “kick down” on the spoilers on the DC-10 and MD-11/10 by advancing the number 2 thrust lever on the ground. I’ve never seen either of these actions, the auto kick down or a form of load relief on the trailing edge flaps after landing with the model/panel that the original poster is seeing. I’ve never been bothered by it, the lack of modeling of the auto kick down of the spoilers, but always thought it would be nice if it were modeled.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Mar 22, 2022 10:02:59 GMT
The flaps/slats "DO" auto-retract following roll-out after landing "under some still yet to be properly determined" circumstances (it's mot an intentional feature on our part) .... as I earlier responded.
There are "no plans" to further edit any of the DC-10 simulations we host because no perceived need exists for us to want/need to do so .... and besides we already have our hands "more than full" with other projects developing behind the scenes that will likely keep us occupied throughout the year.
MRC
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Post by jardx on Mar 22, 2022 13:11:10 GMT
The flaps/slats "DO" auto-retract following roll-out after landing "under some still yet to be properly determined" circumstances (it's mot an intentional feature on our part) .... as I earlier responded. There are "no plans" to further edit any of the DC-10 simulations we host because no perceived need exists for us to want/need to do so .... and besides we already have our hands "more than full" with other projects developing behind the scenes that will likely keep us occupied throughout the year. MRC Geez, I’m sorry I even said anything, why must HJG be so defensive when all I was trying to point out is that the real plane had the spoiler feature and that I was fine with the modeling that is done already. I wasn’t trying to imply that there is a bug in the panel or models that needs to be fixed however again I “HAVE NEVER SEEN THE FLAPS DO THE LOAD RELIF TYPE OF ACTION WITH THE MODELS OR PANEL” that is all. |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Mar 22, 2022 19:06:27 GMT
"NOBODY" has said, or even implied, you were You commented they do auto-retract on some aircraft (apparently) .... and that you'd not seen/experiened this with the simulation/s. I replied .... they "DO" auto-retract (just as the OP's observed/reported .... I to have seen/experienced this any number of times "after" landing roll-out and despite it "not being" an intentional feature. You also commented it'd be nice to see such a feature (obviously intentionally) modelled. I simply replied .... we've no plans, or intent, at this time, to further edit the simulations and for the reasons I stated. There's "NOTHING AT ALL DEFENSIVE" within any what's been replied and nobody here's interpreted your commentary to imply there's bugs within the simulation/s needing attention  MRC |
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Post by jardx on Mar 22, 2022 19:42:56 GMT
Maybe there was some confusion then I was trying to say that there wasn’t an auto retract feature of the trailing edge flaps but there was an auto retraction of the spoilers.
I had not observed the auto kick down of the spoilers or this auto retraction of the flaps that the OP and yourself say occurs and while the spoiler feature wasn't modeled it does not take away from what was done.
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