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Post by thrillsandchills on Jul 7, 2015 19:18:54 GMT
I was wondering how you would fly this flight using the KLN90B (I think it's called):
300 nm flights aka short distances, I don't mind flying by hand, but 2100 nm / 5 hours I'd prefer to use a flight plan, and have the GPS fly the plane. So, with that in mind...
Using the HJG supplied KLN90B, how do you get it to track the flight plan? (I can't figure the KLN GPS out at all.)All the buttons are not functional, so that doesn't help. Could somebody please explain?
Thanks in advance,
Thrills and Chills
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jul 7, 2015 21:57:35 GMT
I've never used it .... over the entire 14 years during which I've been flying each release version of the HJG DC-8 panels. By not using it .... and reverting to standard old fashioned VOR to VOR navigation .... or even Dead Reckoning between the range of 2 VOR's (about 194 miles/DME in FS .... although some FS based VOR's have far less range) .... then one's certauinly not missing anything. All of the DC-8 panels .... with the exception of DC8 SHIP ONE 1958 .... are equipeed with the KLN90B GPS system. Some, but, not all of, the HJG DC-8 panels are INS equipped too (which is better) .... though, in reality, few, if any but the latest RW aircraft panel modifications, actually had it, since most RW DC-8's were, during the 1960's, 70's, and 80's, DUAL DOPPLAR navigation system equipped. I wrote something about the KLN90B GPS a little while back, but then, forgot to insert it into my manuals/panel installation/handling notes descriptions. so, here's what I wrote, at that time, and which may help get you started .... Again .... I've never used the KLN 90B Old fashioned VOR to VOR navigation (and desd-reckoning) .... aided by official paper charts .... are more than sufficient for the purposes of the transcontinental/transoceanic type flying which I do .... and for replicating the era of flying "I prefer" to recreate for the benefit of "my own personal enjoyment". Best way to learn the KLN90B is to fiddle with it .... just "suck'n'see" ! One can't break anything doing that ! "WALTERLEO" is, by far, the best person on these forum pages to comment in regard to the KLN90B GPS .... since it forms a fundamental part of many of the Russian aircraft type simulations he likes to specialize in. He may comment .... in due course Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jul 8, 2015 3:54:51 GMT
Something I should (perhaps) have mentioned above .... So far as I'm aware .... the KLN90B will aid navigation between 2 points of reference .... in the sense of providing cues as to where one is in between these points .... and in regard to where one should be headed versus where one's actually heading (when crosscheked with other panel navigation/bearing instrumentation), at what speed, and the estimated duration in order to reach either of these 2 reference points. One needs to constantly monitor and interpret this information .... and be prepared to adjust ones course so as to remain on track. It's hardly a precise system .... and it requires a lot of work too .... BUT .... that's pretty much way of the DC8, and its contempories (like the B707, CV880, and CV990), were .... and why the HJG panels are, and will remain, the way they are, and which is a reasonably good reflection of the RW aircraft .... despite their obvious age. So far as I'm aware also .... and unlike the standard MSFS supplied GPS .... the KLN90B system "will not" automatically lock onto, then adhere to, any intended navigation track in order to fly the simulation automatically. It "does" require a but of manual, if not academic, labour too. As I mentioned in my first reply posting .... Throughout my entire 14 years of experience with all publicly released versions of the HJG DC8 (and other) panels, I've never, even once, used the KLN90B GPS. I've never needed to .... since provided one's converseant with VOR to VOR navigation (and Dead Reckoning too) .... and aided also by paper charts, then, I don't believe one's really missing much, if anything at all, by not using it The only alternative option is to to fly an INS equipped DC8/panel simulation .... as is provided, by HJG, for some, but not all of, these simulations. In respect of "those panels actually built by HJG authours" (i.e. th B707/720, CV880, CV990, and DC8), we, long ago, opted to try'n retain as much system fidelity as we could in respect of the aircraft types we represent .... in as much as certain FS limitations, our own compilation skills, and knowledge, will allow Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by walterleo on Jul 8, 2015 9:57:53 GMT
KLN90B: There exists for FS9 only a very good simulation, so faithful you can use the manual of the real one. BUT: its from Project Tupolev built into PT Tu-154s and PT IL-62M. It couples to any heading bug of FS9 aircraft, as long as you have installed one of these airplanes. I myself install into every airplane I use the PT-KLN90B in place of the default GPS. In the HJG DC8 it fits perfectly into the panel. If interest exists I will explain how to do it. Here some screenshots: For the CV 990B: If you have already PT-Tu airplanes installed change only line 54 in the panel config main panel of the HJG DC-8: gauge54=kln90b!Kln90B, 439,524,230,74If not having experience with PT airplanes, you will need some small programes to convert and reconvert betweeen FS flp and King KLN90B. Helpful will be also having a newer database of AIRINC. Kind regards Walter
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Post by thrillsandchills on Jul 9, 2015 15:56:57 GMT
Thanks for posting walterleo. This is just what I was looking for.
The thing is though, I don't have any PT-TU airplanes installed. I saw a series of listings on what you might call their home page (projecttupolev.com) Could you provide a link to the preferred file? (and those "small programs" you were talking about"
Thanks so much,
Thrills and Chills
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Post by walterleo on Jul 9, 2015 16:22:33 GMT
Hi: Thrills and Chills First the download of PT-Tu-154M ver 2.02 for FS9. I hope you use still FS9 as I do, if not you can use also the Tu-154B2 FSX. files.protu-154.org/index.htmlThis download should also include a programe called NCALC 5.... This is the Navigation planner (also for the Russian form of navigation, but that for the moment doesnt matter). In practice you start with a flightplan in FS9 and save it. That fpl you open with NCALC 5 and you can insert additional waypoints e.g. airports or Nav-aids. You calculate the flp and give order to print, this saves your changes. Export the flp to FS9 and it should appear as a new flightplan in your list of FS9 flightplans. If not, you have choosen a waypoint which are not in FS9. Then you open the "small programe" to save your amended flp into the KLN90Bs memory under a number of your choose. This fpl you can then activate in the KLN90B and Bingo the "comrade" KLN90B will show you the way. If you have installed the Tu-154 you can activate the coupling of your flp to the heading bug NOT to the AP function GPS! If you want to fly with a virtual ATC you should have the AIRINC version of the one the virtual ATC is using, if not you will fly to waypoint or intersections they dont know any more. I think first try to install a PT Tupolev airplane (154 or IL 62M). Then I send you some screenshot and send my a PM with your personal Email, then I send some programes to you. Kind regards Walter
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Post by walterleo on Jul 10, 2015 8:03:36 GMT
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Post by thrillsandchills on Jul 12, 2015 14:26:15 GMT
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Post by walterleo on Jul 12, 2015 17:33:58 GMT
Hi:
The HJG panel folders for the DC-8s are under the folder FS9/aircraft/fsfsconv/panel.DC8-.............
But what we are doing is not an official HJG project! Better we communicate via my privat email.
Kind regards
Walter
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jul 12, 2015 22:02:48 GMT
"THANKS" for that Walter Mark C AKL/NZ
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