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Post by mog on Oct 17, 2015 16:02:12 GMT
Hi All,
Yes it's me again! I have recently had to rebuild my PC after a couple of blue screen incidents, and after putting FS2004 back on and uploading the DC9-50 with the -17 engine I noticed a couple of recurring oddities, to whit, When I test the TCAS it sticks in test, displaying the 4 noughts constantly, there is no voice to tell me the test failed or passed, if I just select TA/RA there is nowhere (that I have found) to confirm its operation?
The second problem is with the ADF, I can set it (Number 1) to a frequency at the beginning of a flight and it seems fine but if I return to it I find that the previously set frequency has been changed to 100.10 and will not change, any attempt to change it causes a low tone beep, I then input the frequency required on the Number 2 ADF and that works fine?
Any ideas gang?
mog
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Oct 17, 2015 18:35:05 GMT
I note you say you´re using the D-17 powered DC-9-50 aircraft base pack .... BUT .... what panel version are you using it with ? "At a glance" .... my impressions is that you must be using a panel other than any the recommended, or supplied, HJG DC-9 panel options .... possibly one of the MD80/90 panel versions with your DC-9 of choice but which aren´t compatible with these simulations   Please elaborate  Mark C BOG/CO |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Oct 17, 2015 21:07:50 GMT
Just gave this a quick look for you .... in FS2004 .... The HJG suppled line of DC-9 panels (for the era we represent at least) "ARE NOT" TCAS equipped ! 2 of our MD-80 (specific) panel offerings are TCAS equipped though, but, these panels "ARE NOT" entirely compatible with the HJG supplied DC-9 flightline. They can be assigned, but, I wouldn´t recommend doing do. That is true of the RA featured within the HJG supplied MD-80 panels (these panel versions are more simplistic than HJG offereings), but, "NOT" in the case of our recommended/customiszed/supplied DC-9 panel line. There are no known ADF1/ADF2 issues within any of the HJG supplied DC-9 panel series .... provided these panels have been correctly configured/set up prior to flight ! My conclusion therefore is .... You must be using either one of our 2 "GOLDING" version MD-80 panels with our DC-9 of choice, but, which "ARE NOT" compatible with these simulations and may result in such issues "IF" assigned .... or .... You´re possibly a non-HJG supplied DC-9 panelwith your DC-9 simulation of choice .... and which may lack certain compatibilities with the HJG supplied DC-9 flightline oprions and as is nearly always the case. Mark C BOG/CO |
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Post by mog on Oct 18, 2015 15:26:31 GMT
OK Mark, thanks for the response I'll delete the whole thing and start from scratch, I'm easily confused these days and that's probably what happened.
Mog
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Post by mog on Oct 18, 2015 15:36:51 GMT
Actually Mark I've just had a look at the panels downloads and there are two, one for the DC 9-30 and one for the DC 9-50, which one should I use, the write up says DC 9-30 but in that case when is the DC 9-50 used? The DC9-50 is the one I'm aiming at.
mog
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Oct 18, 2015 16:15:43 GMT
OK "MOG" I understand, from your original posting in this thread, that you´re usding the HJG supplied DC-9-50 JT8D-17 Aircraft Base Pack. For this reason you need to assign the HJG supplied DC-9-50 JT8D-17 panel to this simulation .... supported also by the DC-9 JT8S LATE soundpack. The recommended/correct DC-9 Aircraft Base Pack/Panel assignments .... for the entire HJG DC-9 SERIES simulations .... are as follows .... PLEASE NOTE .... each of the aircraft type/engine type base packs must be matched with the corresponding aircraft type/engine type panels. Follow .... and correctly apply .... the above DC-9 Aircraft Base Pack/Panel assignments .... and you can´t go wrong Miss-match these and one "WILL" (even unwittingly) invite flight performance issues. Mark C BOG/CO |
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Post by mog on Oct 18, 2015 16:40:57 GMT
Hi again Mark,
Ok read the last entry on your insert panel, "DC9-50 JT8D-17 Aircraft Base Pack..... to be used with....DC9-30(?) JT8D-17 Panel only. Is that a misprint? cos. I'm pretty certain I used the DC9-50 JT8D-17 Panel when I installed it, not the DC9-30 JT8D-17 0ne, is this what caused the problem?
mog
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Oct 18, 2015 19:09:29 GMT
AH YES .... that "IS" indeed a misprint. And "YES" .... it should read as follows .... Sorry about that ;( I´ve now corrected the "DC-9 PANEL INSTALLATION & HANDLING NOTES" accordingly. "THANKS" for the HU Mark C BOG/CO |
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Post by mog on Oct 20, 2015 14:17:25 GMT
Ok Mark, I'll continue with the refit.
mog
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Post by mog on Oct 22, 2015 16:57:43 GMT
Hi All,
Right I tried uninstalling the DC9-50 by using system restore, but although I went back far enough it never removed it from FS9, so I overwrote it using all the correct packs and base packs, the fact that all the prompts that appeared during this confirmed that in fact I had originally installed all the correct packs for this aircraft, anyway that's by the by, it is all installed now and guess what? the TCAS still sticks in test mode, interestingly enough if I change the setting using the TCAS knobs and the mouse I get a call from ATC saying that the squawk I'm using is incorrect, so something is changing, it's just not being shown on the indicator. Does the TCAS test work? I can't remember, I still have this installed on my laptop so I might dig that out of retirement and see what that does, meanwhile any ideas people?
mog
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Oct 22, 2015 17:48:11 GMT
It´s possibly "NOT A GOOD (or even practiced) IDEA" to use System Rstore in order to delete/remove any particular installtion in FS.
Doing so could be asking for problems .... or confusion at least.
As I mentioned within my first or second posting within this thread .... HJG DC-9 panels (because of the era we reprsent) "ARE NOT" equipped with TCAS !!!!
SO THEN .... what DC-9 panel are you using .... and where did you get it from ?
"IF" what you´re using is TCAS equipped .... then .... it can´t possibly be an HJG DC-9 panel.
Only our 2 Paul GOLDING series of HJG MD-80 panels are TCAS equipped .... BUT .... as I also mentioned within my earlier reply posting/s .... these MD-80 panel "ARE NOT" compatible with (not recomended for use with) the HJG DC-9 series simulations.
Need you to elaborate on this !!!!
Mark C
BOG/CO
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Post by mog on Oct 23, 2015 11:16:42 GMT
Ok I will try not to use System Restore for that again, my problem was HJG's product is pretty well embedded in FS9 that to remove all the sounds effects etc. is a bit complicated.
Right the panel I refer to is the WX panel shown on your Panel installation thread.Attachment Deleted
Below the ADF is the TCAS and Transponder Panel, placing the mouse over the top L/H knob and clicking the "minus" side takes you to the Test position of the TCAS, all the digits on the indicator go to 0000 and if the test is successful the system calls "TCAS System Test OK" or if not "TCAS System Test Fail" ( That's real world of course, maybe not in HJG since I would think to do that would be complex to say the least ), I can't remember how the TCAS indicates operation on a DC9 but assuming a successful test the pilot will select TA/RA on the same knob and the system is then operational, again this is real world and if I remember correctly there is a range selector to set the "questing" range, if you have Maddog you can see the whole thing there.
I suppose the question is, "Do I have the wrong WX panel?" if so how is it possible since I only downloaded DC9-50 files?
mog
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Oct 23, 2015 14:04:04 GMT
"NO" .... you´ve got the right panel (one of our panels at least) by virtue of the image you´ve presented BUT .... I still think you´re looking for "a ghost" (something that´s simply not there and/or a function which isn´t represented) .... in respect of your TCAS insistance .... OR .... you´re possibly misinterpreting what´s represented among the DC-9 panel gauges and which might explain things "IF" you´re referring to the MAD DOG FS product (that´s MD-80/-90 and not the DC-9 remember) .... then .... "DO NOT" compare functions of the HJG DC-9 panel series with these, or those of any other non-HJG supplied DC-9 panel project either, because there simply is "no comparison". Again .... the HJG DC-9 panels "ARE NOT" TCAS equipped !!!! Here´s the main panel for the DC-9-50 JT8D-17 version ....  A may be seen above .... "NO" evidence of any TCAS ! Here´s the WX/Weather Radar) sub panel fitted into all HJG supplied DC-9 panels .... among other HJG aircraft type panels also ....  ALLOW ME TO DESCRIBE THE FEATURES OF THIS WX RADAR SUB PANEL .... Starting from the left and working down then across to the right of the WX/Weather Radar sub panel .... Located within the top left quadrant of the WX sub panel are both ADF1/ADF2 radios .... and their frequency selector knobs (1 selector knob for each unit) Below this is the ATC Transponder Radio .... with its 2 large frequency selctor knobs located below its frequency/code display window (clicking on either side of the left knob raises/lowers the 2 prefix digits .... and clicking either side of the right knob raises/lowers the 2 suffix digits .... of any 4-digit Transponder code/frequency). Use these 2 knobs "ONLY" in order to adjust the ATC Transponder frequency/code. Located at the bottom left quadrant within the WX sub panel are the 2 Radar control knobs .... the left knob is the "ON/OFF" and range selector switch .... and the right knob adjusts/switches the tilt/axis of the WX radar display. To the right of these is the large WX/Weather Radar screen (it´s not a TCAS screen/radar and has no TCAS function) .... with its 2 display/illimination intensity knobs located above. Once again .... "NO" TCAS unit is fitted !!!! I suspect you´re possibly under the misaprehension that the supplied Transpondser unit must have TCAS functions .... and/or .... that the WX Radar screen must have a TCAS oriented function roo .... but .... which "IS SIMPLY NOT" the case TCAS .... is the like of the gauge fitted into the 2 HJG supplied GOLDING WHITE and RED MD-80 panels, and which although it´s not permanently visible on either of these aircraft type main panels, is commanded into view using "SHIFT 5" keyboard commands .... "in these 2 panel versions only" .... and not those of any of the DC-9´s. It´s an entirely different gauge/display and quite unlike that of the DC-9 panels WX radar or Transponder unit. I think I might (finally) have figured out what you were sarliar trying to communicate in regard to the following though .... "DO NOT" use the small mode selector knob located within the upper left quadrant of the Transpoder section of the DC-9 WX sub panel. Whilst it "DOES" feature several selectable detentes (none of which are TCAS related so far as I can read) .... adjusting this knob to either of these detentes will result in a "0000" code being displayed within the Transponder frequency window, and it may not be possible to reset this (so far as I can determine) using either of the other selectble mode detentes, or either of the 2 principle ATC Transponner frequency selector knobs also. Upon observing the above mentioed "0000" Transponder code .... I also noted that the normally standard "ATC1" indication, also displayed within the Transponder frequency window, changed to read "ATC12" .... and which I couldn´t reset either. I think we´ll have to live with this minor infidelity .... I´m afraid Again .... "use only the 2 large selector knobs located below the Transponder display window" whenever adjusting the Transponder code/frequency in any of the HJG supplied DC-9 panels. As I mentioned above .... there´s no known issus with ADF (or VOR) incorporated into any of the HJG DC-9 panel series. The only influence I can think of that might have some bearing on your experince is .... "IF" you´re using a licensed version of FSUIPC .... then ... you may have inadvertently, or even intentionslly, activated one of the other radio frequency options which can be maniplated to work in FS ? This might result in what, you say, you´ve experienced. Other than using FSUIPC influence/s .... I not sure (can´t remember to be honest) how to manually reset this "within FS itself" Mark C BOG/CO |
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Post by mog on Oct 24, 2015 14:40:02 GMT
Ok Mark, I'M So, So SORRY, you are absolutely right, I APOLOGISE, there is NO TCAS, I looked at the panel and saw what I wanted to see not what was actually there, I feel a right lemon! ok so don't use the top left selector knob, I can live with that, the transponder frequency changes automatically via FS2004 anyway.
The ADF yes, odd, it doesn't do it all the time so perhaps it's a minor glitch that I have, I have got the paid version of FSUIPC but I'm not using it at the moment, I'm a bit thick and haven't been able to work out how to use it! again it's no big deal, when it happens I just put the details (frequency) into ADF 2 and use that.
Many thanks for your patience matey, sorry for the confusion I must have caused.
grovel, grovel.
mog
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Oct 24, 2015 16:53:56 GMT
No worries "MOG" .... easy done .... glad to have been of "some service" to you Anytime Mark C BOG/CO |
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