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Post by navycommand7 on Oct 27, 2015 1:17:24 GMT
Hi I just installed the HJG 707-320 panel and I go to put on the autopilot airspeed hold gauge. It won't hold the airspeed is there a fix for this.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Oct 27, 2015 1:23:19 GMT
Our B707 panels don´t feature AT´s .... or even an AP IAS pitch model .... so there´s no way any airspeed hold (by way of AT or IAS pitch mode) may be engaged. That´s the way aircraft like the B707/720, CV880, CV990, and DC-8 are/were .... non-AT equipped primarily. Think you might be confusing what you´re seeing rpresented on the AP panel .... and which is most likely the "ALT HLD" switch  On the B707´s power was set, and needed to be constantly monitored, and adjusted as necessary, in order to maintain a near constant airspeed/velocity. "WELCOME" to the arc .... and the world of the now geriatric jet  Mark C BOG/CCO |
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Post by eastern1004 on Oct 27, 2015 6:07:32 GMT
IF historical realism is secondary, then the other answer is, yes, there is a 'fix' In the Aircraft.cfg file, I have altered the [Autopilot] section to read like this... [autopilot] autopilot_available=1 flight_director_available=0 default_vertical_speed=700.000000 autothrottle_available=1 autothrottle_arming_required=0 Then you need a secondary way to manipulate the AP I use this full function mini-panel... (available @ Flightsim.com)  Looking at the sections circled in yellow the AP in the mini-panel is set to IAS 250 In the upper left you see the IAS of 247 circled Voila, airspeed hold. I like realism as well as the next guy, but I also like to tell the airplane what to do, rather than the other way around
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Oct 27, 2015 10:14:20 GMT
"TECHNICAL" realism .... I think he means "A PITTY REALLY" (although we respect that what folks do is entirely up to them of course) .... because we do go to great lengths in order to try and represent as much technical authenticity "as is practical" .... just to give people "a taste of what aviation, and flying, was like back in the 1950´s/60´s .... especially with simulations like the B707/720, CV880, CV990, and DC-8 Importing the like of an AT into our B707´s kind of detracts from that .... to the extent of denying one some of the challenge of "flying" these simulations as they should, and are intended, to be flown  It´s not that we don´t want people to make it easier for themselves. It´s just that .... "we like to do what we do, by presenting it the way it all is, and which is mostly the way it/most of it actually was" I don´t want/mean to appear be a "KILJOY"  .... but .... "IF" folk do desire to edit what we supply, then, we/HJG can´t/won´t provide technical support for whatever´s been done. An issue we can get into here (and have indeed been confronted with in the past on the basis of inocent/well intentioned "community recommendations/advice") is that some, lesser FS experienced folk, can be lured into thinking various recomendtions are more easily applied than they actually are (not saying the above is difficult though) .... and end up making a mess of things .... and becoming disillusioned as a rsult. The very latter is what/all we seek to try´n avioid .... where possible Mark C BOG/CO |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Oct 27, 2015 12:19:02 GMT
Actually .... I´ve just realised (tired you see .... loosing concentration) that "EASTERN1004" may have been refering to one of the default FSX panels .... since some of his imagery doesn´t relate to any of the custom HJG supplied B707/720/C135 aircraft panel gauges .... "sorry about that" "IF" thats´the case .... then .... his suggested AT edit (involving an HJG B707 and a default FSX panel) would probably work fine .... and is one of the easiest edits to apply in FS and with little, if any, potntial for consequences. BUT STILL .... We do like to try´n encourage people to fly our simulations "as they´re intended to be flown .... and using the panels we provide also" .... and which in this particular case (for the HJG B707/720/C135 SERIES simulatios) are all "FSX portable" .... and which is why we provide them of course .... and which is precisely what "NAVYCOMMAND7" appears to be doing anyway Mark C BOG/CO |
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Post by Herman on Oct 27, 2015 15:05:03 GMT
Eastern 1004...just reflecting on your statement "I like to tell the airplane what to do rather than the other way around"
We all strive to be in control of the airplanes we fly. In the case of the HJG 707-320 we are in control, by using the throttles manually.
Herman
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Post by eastern1004 on Oct 27, 2015 17:52:37 GMT
And when it is in my best interest to do so I manually change the numbers in the IAS speed command window.
The guy asked if there was a fix
I answered honestly, yes there is a fix
Get over it
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Oct 27, 2015 19:06:02 GMT
AH .... "EASTERN1004" .... what Herman replied is actually "quite relevent" and coincides with what we/HJG want to promote in respect of the simulations "we offer and support" .... as I might have implied within my own reply of earlier today. And besides .... "NAVYCOMMAND7" did in fact state he´d just installed "the HJG B707-320 panel". Your response (appreciated as it is) .... however relevent to your case .... BUT .... supported also by a non-HJG supplied modiication and instrumentation .... isn´t (I feel) a solution I´d care to recommend to the author of this thread given my suspicions as to the possible extent of his FS knowledge. "IF" .... he/"NAVYCOMMAND7" was using a default FS supplied jet panel .... THEN .... I feel your suggested "CFG edit only" would probably be quite appropriate. "NAVYCOMMAND7" .... if you´re using the HJG supplied B707 panel/s (an we hope you are ), then, I wouldn´t probably recommend the above-suggested modification. "IF HOWEVER" .... you´re using a default FS jet panel assignment with your HJG B707, then, you can/should be able to apply the above-recommended AT relted CFG (only) edit quite easily. Whatever you decide is, in fact, "up to you" though .... of course Mark C BOG/CO |
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Post by Herman on Oct 27, 2015 20:39:58 GMT
OK eastern1004. I suppose there are a couple of ways to interpert "is there a fix". You did indeed provide a "fix".
I interpered navycommand's question a bit different, as I felt he wanted to know, if there was an error within the HJG 707-320 Panel itself, that needed to be corrected.
In a way your add on could actually be useful for those who really wanted the convenience of an auto throttle in other aircraft.
Actually I just thought of an example where even I might use your suggestion. Sometimes I do very long trans continental or oceanic flights. During those flights with everything on auto pilot, I usually go away several times from my computer to do some chores. Using the auto throttle feature would ensure that the required speed would be maintained.
Herman
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Post by navycommand7 on Oct 27, 2015 21:46:29 GMT
Okay so looking at the information I should be able to edit the aircraft.cfg file to allow it to work. Okay thanks |
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Post by Dee Waldron - HJG on Oct 29, 2015 0:42:35 GMT
I wouldn't call it a fix since nothing is broken.
What has been proposed here is only an aftermarket modification. (Additional comment withheld.)
You can tell a student pilot by the dazed look in their eyes.
You can tell a commercial ATP by the blisters on their hands.
You can tell a sim pilot, but you can't tell them much!
Dee
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.... but .... "IF" folk do desire to edit what we supply, then, we/HJG can´t/won´t provide technical support for whatever´s been done.
