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Post by thrillsandchills on Nov 27, 2015 21:01:55 GMT
The larger question to ponder, in my opinion, is: why does the MD-82's md80_golding_red panel show, and the MD-83's md80_spada - not? Wouldn't that eliminate a hardware issue, as in something that I might have installed/ changes made since last working?
Thrills and Chills
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Nov 27, 2015 23:20:27 GMT
Actually .... I missed these particular details before .... probably through interuptions "DO NOT" .... ever .... transfer fully compiled and previously installed simulations from one FS environment to another. It's not a good idea. One FS version may stamp files in a certain manner that's incompatible with another FS version. "IF" .... this's what you've actually done .... then .... it could be the route cause of your trouble. Always .... install, file by file, each simulation individually .... and as an "FS version specific" installation, Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by thrillsandchills on Nov 28, 2015 16:58:57 GMT
Hiya,
Yup, that's what I did, and d/l the Marco Spada panel from his website that was compatible for these simulations for FSX. I can only presume I didn't like the panel so that was the end of that.
The good news is: I've got MD-81's panel showing up. What happened there was I only had cfg files in the panel folder. One down, one to go.
The MD-83 on the other hand, is - despite a multitude of fresh re-installs, daily, i.e. d/l'ing fresh files from the website here, every day. - out of frustration, in the hopes that the last duck will finally stop being so stubborn, and get in line. (Then I can have all my ducks in a row.) I had high hopes for a quick solution for the 83 after the 81's panel showed up. 'Twas not to be.
I was wondering, if I could put this panel folder in the FSFSCONV and then alias it?
I'll keep ya posted.
Thrills and Chills
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Nov 28, 2015 19:00:51 GMT
OK .... if that's what you did .... THEN .... that's (highly likely) to be the reason why you've been expriencing what you have with tyour panel files .... and the same might also apply too in regard to your aircraft base packs files too. RESOLUTION/S .... 1. Don't do that in the future 2. Remove and reinstall the panels and "each of" their individual module/elements. 3. Similasly remove and reinstall the aircraft base packs files and each of their elements too .... for additional security/comfort. 4. "ALWAYS" .... install each simulation into each FS version separately/specifically .... don't go dragging previously installed files (or even parts of these) from one FS version to another .... is what I'm advising here :0 5. For HJG simulations .... only install panel files offered by "THIS WEBSITE". Whilst other options are available (supposedly tailored for HJG simulations) "some" of these files, upon our close inspection of them, "are not" as custoised (and by implicationm compatible) as advertised .... simply because the comiling authors are "not" fully conversesant with certain complexities and file inter-relationsips associated with some of the simulations HJG offer "YES" .... you can FSFSCOBV install these panels .... and which has been a standard HJG panel installatio protocol of the past 15 years The only reasson this protocol/installation procerdure hasn't been written into panel installation instructions for each of the 4 MD80/90 panel versions we offer is simply because we've never modifiesd/enhanced these particular panes to our own preferred standards .... each remains precisely as was supplied to us originally. I don't think FSFSCONV installing these panels will solve your remaining problem though. I think you're looking at a fresh/total and FS specific istallations of "EVERYTHING" associated with your MD-80/90 simulations .... that's panels and base packs ..... since the corruption you have could implicate your aircraft base pack file/s too and not just those of your panel files alone . Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by thrillsandchills on Nov 28, 2015 22:03:37 GMT
What I've been doing is deleting the MD-83 basepack from the Aircraft folder
and then...
(Today for example) I download *again* the basepack from the HJG Website.
Extract to temporary file; and place the appropriate file in the Aircraft folder.
Then I deleted the panel.md80_spada that was pre-existing in the basepack.
Went to the website, and downloaded *another* fresh copy of said panel.
Placed panel.md80_spada directory inside basepack.
Today I used the texture that I downloaded from yesterday.
Pasted the "Add to aircraft" to the "Aircraft.CFG"
Replaced Flight Sim XX (see screenshot) with 0; and added "md80_spada" where it says panel= to look like panel=md80_spada
In the end, the texture was applied. but the for all the world, I can't imagine why the panel didn't mount.
If you would like me to repost images for you to see, of the MD-83, I could do that too, like I did before. These would be updated images from today's attempt. Let me know.
Quick question: In the "Aircraft.CFG" of the of the MD-81, (the one that works) it says: model=1 In the MD-83's Aircraft.CFG - it says model=2. Could that be changed to 1?
Would it be advisable for me to replace the Panel Modules files, that were installed previously? (as well as the second step [OLDMODULES]FSSound.dll=1? That was added years ago. That also goes for the two files found in the PANEL MODULES Folder.
Please advise.
Thanks in advance,
Thrills and Chills
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Nov 28, 2015 22:48:53 GMT
"NO" .... these each relate to models featuring different fuselage tail cones .... "MODEL.1" reresents the original DC-9 type rear fuselage cone ! "MODEL.2" represents the later product, and often retrofitted, low-drag chisel edge shaped rear fuselage tail cone ! Don't go modifying the MODEL= data line in any FLTSIM.XX component or your textures will end up not displaying within the MSFS aircraft selectionm menu That's precisely what I've been trying to tell trying you to do (especially in respect of each of the panel MODDULE related files) .... when I said replace/re-install "EVERYTHING" Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by thrillsandchills on Nov 28, 2015 23:05:04 GMT
Ok, thanks for the clarification.
Thrills and Chills
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Post by thrillsandchills on Nov 28, 2015 23:46:46 GMT
[SNIP] [SNIP]
Sorry for the late reply on this subject. I can't find any such folder ("Panel Sounds") in the Temporary Folder I extracted "md80_panel_spada" to - or any of the panels associated with the MD80 simulations. After this i.e. above, conversation, I went looking for an md-80 soundpack and put that in the FS9 main Sound directory. I think wires may have gotten crossed.
Off to go see if the md-83's panel mounts after our last conversation about reinstalling everything.
Thrills And Chills
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Post by thrillsandchills on Nov 28, 2015 23:52:20 GMT
Let's just say, I'm glad I wasn't holding my breath. I still get that big wide open window - no panel. But here's the strange thing. My DL MD-88 also uses the same Spada panel. So, I copied the panel.md80_spada directory from the MD-88 folder to the MD-83 folder - twice. Just to be sure, I guess. The thing was, that in the end, that didn't work either. i thought that because the spada panel associated with the 88 had 110 items in it, and the 83 spada folder had 109 items in it, I was hoping that that one item held the key to unlocking the mystery behind the panel that wouldn't mount. But it was not to be. And yet the 88 mounts. Using the same folder for the panel. Go figure. And the CFG's check out.I went through the Texture part line by line, (of both of them) and couldn't find anything. And yet, one mounts and the other doesn't. Go figure.
Thrills and Chills
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Post by thrillsandchills on Nov 29, 2015 1:44:11 GMT
Well, since my last installation, that didn't resolve the situation, I have copied over parts of the CFG from the MD-88 to the MD-83. Like: Fltsim.0, sim=MD-80, model=02 (they're both 02 models. And most importantly, panel=md80_spada. Beyond that information, they diverge into their own unique CFG's. Even with the MD88's CFG info, no dice. So, I feel fairly confident it's not the aircraft.cfg. (of the MD-83)
Bear in mind, this is with replacing the files found in the "panel modules" and the two files found in the "FS2004" folder; and putting them in their appropriate locations. For the 2nd time.
Thrills and Chills
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Nov 29, 2015 3:06:44 GMT
The "PANEL SOUNDS" container is a component supplied within both of the GOLDING WHITE and GOLDING RED MD-80 panels discussed earlier within this thread. It "is not" a component of the SPADA MD-80 panel .... essentially because the what sounds are featured within this particular panel version are already incorporated into the gauges .... as I understand. The most common reason for this is an error within either the default PANEL.CFG aliasing (if you've installed the panel inside the FSFSCONV folder as was your previously stated intention) .... or .... an error within the PANEL= data line within the FLTSIM.XX component .... this information not relating precisely to the actual panel folder name/s in both instances !!!! AYE .... With all due respect .... and I'm truly sorry to say this .... BUT .... I don't think you're following the recommended installation instruction procedures, and as a result, I think you're (potentially) making a hell of mess of things. We're all) happy to "TRY'N" help you (anyone), but, also need you to help us "be able to do" so .... essentially by following the recommended procedures rather than (apparently) mashing files around here,there, and everywhere else too I'm going to give this thread "just one more/last try" as follows ....1. You should have removed each of your previously installed MD80 base packs .... and panels along with all of their gauges and modules too .... and more-so if you've been to'ing and fro'ng these files between different FS versions (file stamping between the different FS versions being the concern and motivation behind this particular advice) as you admitted having done. 2. You should then have re-downloaded your aircraft base pack and panel files/options .... from this website .... and then re-installed these, in accordance with their prescribed installation istructions, to replace each of the file/folders that were recommended be removed. The aicraft base pack and texture installation should be a pretty straight-forward task/installation .... so .... the only aspect of this re-installation process possibly requiring care is the panel component/s. 3. The panel folder options for each of the HJG MD80/-90 simulations are named precisely as follows .... panel.md80_golding_red or panel.md80_golding_white or panel.md80_b717-200_southey or panel.md80_spada .... either panel version can be used with any of the HJG MD80/-80 simulations. The installation instructions recommend each of these panels be installaed inside the aircraft base packs. Assuming that's been done correctly .... then .... the PANEL= data lines within the ADD TO AIRCRAFT/FLTSIM.XX component of each texture subject addition need to be edited in accordance with the selected panel folder name .... meaning .... these CFG based data lines will end up reading accordingly .... Panel=md80_golding_white or Panel=md80_golding_red or Panel=md80_b717-200_southey or Panel=md80_spada 4. NOW THEN .... each of the 2 GOLDING panel versions .... and the SPADA panel version also .... are accomanied by 2 containers/folder named "FS2004" and "PANEL MODULES". The content (only) of the FS2004 container (2 files) must be installed inside the "FLIGHT SIMULATOR 9" folder. The content (only) of the PANEL MODULES container (2 files also) must be installed inside the FS9 "MODULES" folder .... then .... the FS9.CFG file must be located and the following edit copied & pasted to it should it doesn't already exist subsequent to a previous installation .... [OLDMODULES] FSSound.dll=1 .... and the above edit then "saved". 5. Each of the 2 GOLDING panel versions (only) are accomanied by an additional container/folder named "PANEL SOUNDS" .... and the content (only) of this container (20 individual WAV samples) must be installed inside the FS9 "SOUND" folder .... that's the Sound folder within the FLIGHT SIMULATOR 9 sub folder directory and "not" the default Sound foldr within either of the HJG MD-80/-90 aircraft base packs. The SPADA panel (intentionally) "does not" feature a "PANEL SOUNDS" folder .... as clarified above and also as is apparent per that particular files installation instructions. That's all there is to the installtion of either GOLDING or SPADA panels in conjunction with any of the HJG MD-80/-90 simulations. The procedure is (or should be at least) "that simple". These particular panel versions are actually among "the easiest", within the entire HJG aircraft panel inventory, to install .... but even so .... and at the end of the day .... the installation instructions "MUST/SHOULD ALWAYS BE FOLLOWED". Unless one's "very familiar/competent" with FS folder directory structure etc .... deviate from these instructions and one's then, potentially, at risk of messing up ones entire installation .... but also .... making things more difficult (than need be) for us to try'n resolve also Subject to the correct installation of each of the 4 MD-80/-90 panel options offered by HJG .... then this's what one should be able to appreciate enjoying .... GOLDING WHITE MD80 PANEL GOLDING RED MD80 PANEL SPADA MD80 PANEL SOUTHEY MD80/90/B717-200 PANEL .... each of which works as b-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l-l-y as the other with any of the MD-80/90 simulations we offer and despite not (yet) having been customized to HJG-specific preferences. Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by Herman on Nov 29, 2015 14:57:04 GMT
A preliminary, fairly quick investigation into this issue, I like frills and chills was unable to get the MD80_golding_white panel to show up.
My first indication of something strange was that when opening the Panel file, it contains two files,one that says panel.cfg the other says panel.cfg.fsx. I found this strange since these panels are not FSX compatible.
Now the way I got around all this and was able to get the panel to show, is by this method.
1. Delete the Panel file contained in the Aircraft Base Pack.
2. Copy and paste the Golding Panel file into the Aircraft Base File and rename it Panel.
3. This bupasses all the steps of putting the Panel files into the FS Conversion Folder and having to change anything in the Aircraft cfg avoiding any typo errors.
This method worked for me, but I am still trying to figure out why the other instructions do not work.
Herman
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Post by thrillsandchills on Nov 29, 2015 16:51:01 GMT
Hi Herman,
I saw those two cfg's in the original panel folder also. But that folder gets replaced by the md80_spada panel - so they're erased - overwritten by the new directory.
I tried what you said and it worked.
What I will never understand is why the DL MD-88 (that uses the same exact panel as the MD-83,) and the recommended installation method, mounts and the MD- 83's panel folder had to be changed to "panel" so that it would work. I'll never understand it - never.
Thanks Herman, I appreciate the help.
A Grateful Thrills And Chills
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Nov 29, 2015 18:12:51 GMT
Guys .... "CONFUSION" .... seems to be reigning supreme here .... and that (potentially) puts those whom aren't so conversant with these files at risk of becomming confused or placed under some degree of misaprehension at least. Allow me clarify in accordance with the following statements from above .... 1. "NO" FSX PANEL.CFG files are included among either of the 4 HJG offered MD80/-90 panel files .... it's simply not necessary since neither of these particular panel versions are FSX compatible 2. In each case .... the installation instructions specifically state that each of these particular panels should be installed inside the aircraft base pack folders (replacing the defailt Panel folder). The FSFSCONV folder doesn't figure, at all, within the recommended installation procedure of either MD-80/-90 panel version .... and which is why (even per my last reply) I'm not advocating it. T&C did (however) earlier enquire as to whether or not these particular panels could be installed within the FSFSCONV folder .... and to which I replied that could be done if one desired to do so .... but again .... this "IS NOT" the prescribed procedure in the eace of each of these "non-customised" panels. NOW THEN .... I've, myuself, this morning, downloaded each of the 4 MD-80/-90Panels versions. I've checked their comtents .... as well as the installation procedures too .... and everything, as far as my (now very tired) eyes can see is "correctly compiled". There's no reason why any of these panels should not display within FS .... provided they're correctly installed in the first instance .... and there should be no reason to rename any of the panel folders either "under normal conditions". Having stated the latter though .... I'm aware of 2 previous incidents, a few years ago, where "TEXTURE" (not Panel) files, for an entirely different simulation, were "CORRECTLY" installed .... yet they refused to be recognised by FS .... until "completely renamed" in a form other than what they were .... although these same texture files displayed fine, as originally named, on other systems !!!! What could/should cause that ? I'm buggered if I know .... and it remains one of the great FS mystreries here at HJG to this very day. SO THEN .... all I want to conclude by saying is .... Even if T&C had installed these files correctly to start with 9which i don't hink was the case), then, it's (possibly) not entirely inconceivable that he (or even someone else) could, possibly, fall victim to the peculiasr/very rare scenario which I've just mentioned above .... it seems that "CAN" happen on some systems. WHY ? Again .... I'm screwed if I know Mark C AKL/NZ
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