Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jan 21, 2018 21:42:06 GMT
The current ARJ and BAe panels are FS2004 compatible "ONLY" .... and will not function in FSX.
There is however a non-HJG hosted version of the same BAe panel version .... and by the very same author too, but, it's apparently got issues .... probably minor, but, I can't say and of course we don't/can't provide support for it .... and can't modify it anyway..
The aircraft base packs (3D models and FDE) we offer are far more recent versions of the originals .... and these "DO" work in both FS2004 and FSX .... as does their supporting FDE too.
The "dual" FS compatibility of our ARJ/BAe aircraft base packs is the reason we offer both FS2004 and FSX soundpacks .... and which "has to" be done because an FS2004 native soundpack "cannot" be used in FSX .... and FSX native soundpacks "cannot" be used in FS2004 either (use the wrong soundpacks in either FS version and their audio playback quality will be less than satisfactory) .... since the sound engine within both FS versions are "different" (that for FSX is actually superior .... promoting additional audio parameters as well as a doplar sound effect too) forcing soundpacks to need to be "specifically compiled" for each FS version.
Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jan 22, 2018 18:15:36 GMT
No problem Denny
Use the aircraft base packs in FSX.
Use the FSX version soundpacks with each though .... and ensure the BAe's get the "BAe" version soundpack (only) and the ARJ's get the "ARJ" version soundpack (only). This's important/essential .... because despite the fact both soundpacks may sound similar the FDE stated thrust curving for each of these 2 aircraft types is "different" .... and which is what "forced" the production of separate ARJ and BAe specific soundpacks.
"There is however a non-HJG hosted version of the same BAe panel version .... and by the very same author too, but, it's apparently got issues .... probably minor, but, I can't say and of course we don't/can't provide support for it .... and can't modify it anyway.."
Hey Mark, you are correct. the non-HJG panel by the same author for FSX sucks. It won't load half the time, and there are some other issues. Funny tho, I ran across his FS 2002 panel and it actually works quite nice in FSX. I had to update 2 gauges but they were Microsoft default gauges, Bell 206B clock and Cessna trim. I've discovered this before, that many 2002 panels and complete A/C's work in FSX. JFYI Thanks for all your help Denny
Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jan 28, 2018 21:12:55 GMT
It won't load half the time
This's in regard to regard to Mathias LEIBERECHT's FSX version BAe panel at FS.COM folks .... and not in regard to the FS2004 ARJ and BAe panels (by the same author) which we host here
Denny .... when assigned to our models it's "perfectly normal" for both of these panels (the FS2004 versions we host) to take a while to load .... anything up to 1 minute, or so, on some PC's .... and during which time the aircraft/livery preview within the MSFS Aircraft Selection Menu will stop rotating (again this's in FS2004) .... to the extent it may create the impression that the loading process has stalled. This happens due to the complexity of the data for the panel being loaded into FS .... and which is, once again, "perfectly normal"
I don't know if this description is in line with your recent experience with the FSX panel (not hosted by HJG) version Denny, but, if it is, then, allow FS all the time it requires to load the panel into FSX.
I say this on the assumption that the same sllow loading process is as relevant to FSX as is the case in FS2004.
I ran across his FS 2002 panel and it actually works quite nice in FSX. I had to update 2 gauges but they were Microsoft default gauges, Bell 206B clock and Cessna trim. I've discovered this before, that many 2002 panels and complete A/C's work in FSX.
That does surprise me
The general rule of thumb is .... any panel using any FS98 based gauges "WILL NOT" work in FSX, but, those using FS2002 based gauges will/may work.
Just how well any other panel non-HJG offered panel for these aircraft works with our FDE (particularly in regard to the airbrakes .... and the coding we applied to stop the wing spoilers extending in flight when the air brakes were armed or deployed) remains to be seen of course .... so .... do bear this in mind .... and there may be other limitations also which we can't possibly know about too
Yes I know that some panels take a long time, and rightfully so with the complexity of them. I'm sorry I didn't differentiate that I am referring to non-hjg panels on this a/c. I discovered that I have to turn off FADEC on each engine prior to start up and actually leave it off as it doesn't work well, causing the power to lower back to minimum thrust and then recycles back and forth. I don't know why I spend so much time messing, but I guess I like a challenge.
One other thing. the older radios in this 2002 panel, works just as they did when I was active in Aviation back in the 60's. You have to click thru all the channels to change them. Can't just change the last digits and then the first. Takes some time but very realistic for the time!
Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jan 29, 2018 20:44:38 GMT
I discovered that I have to turn off FADEC on each engine prior to start up and actually leave it off as it doesn't work well, causing the power to lower back to minimum thrust and then recycles back and forth
I know "precisely" why that's happening there .... Mike and I learned this very early in our own ARJ/BAe re-development early during 2016
The thrust curving within the ARJ aircraft base pack FDE's requires use of our ARJ panel version .... in other words use this panel with our ARJ base packs only.
The thrust curving within the BAe aircraft base pack FDE's requires use of our BAe panel version only .... in other words this panel with our BAe base packs only.
"THIS" (above) is true in regard to each of the HJG hosted ARJ and BAe panels and aircraft base packs .... as is mentioned within our own forum based manual.
The BAe panel we host "IS NOT" FADEC equipped though .... but .... our ARJ panel "IS" .... and apart from the semi-glass panel configuration and MCP featured within our ARJ panel this's the only major difference between both panel versions offered by us.
"IF" .... the wrong panel version is used with our aircraft base packs (if our ARJ panel is used with our BAe base packs in this particular case) .... then .... engine thrust "will" be observed to constantly cycle up and down due to their different panel engine gauge and thrust related FDE compilations .... .... and this may also be true in the case of that non-HJG hosted BAe panel and our own BAe base packs/FDE's .... and especially if it's used in FSX
Again .... the ARJ panel can't work using our BAe base pack FDE's .... and the BAe panel can't work using our ARJ base packs/FDE's.
This's how these simulations were "designed to be used" (in regard to their panel and base pack/FDE compatibility) by the original panel author whom compiled various basic FDE files for his panels to be used with our, and other, ARJ/BAe simulations
I can't vouch entirely in regard to the non-HJG hosted BAe panel at FS.COM .... HOWEVER .... if I'm understanding you correctly .... a particular difference (you mention) between this BAe panel, and our own, is that it features a FADEC engine control system .... whereas our own BAe panel doesn't.
Again .... only our ARJ panel and aircraft base packs/FDE's feature this FADEC system.
If that non-HJG hosted BAe panel with any of our own BAe base packs .... then .... you'd likely experience the engine power cycling/fluctuations you describe .... and the only way to avoid this might be to disengage the FADEC system (I don't think that can be done using our own ARJ panel though) as you mentioned .
"IF" you're intent upon using that particular non-HJG FS.COM hosted BAe panel with our ARJ/BAe simulations .... THEN .... you could try using it with our ARJ base packs "ONLY" instead (not our BAe base packs) .... and see if this resolves the FADEC issue you experienced.
It may very well do so .... and you certainly can't do any harm trying this .... and in doing so you "can" also use any of our ARJ or BAe textures with any of our ARJ base packs too ....and without any problem/s.
This all suddenly raises an interesting question (for me) now ....
I wonder if our own ARJ panel version might be FSX portable .... HMMM I wonder
Thanks Mark. Interesting, and I'll try this situation. I see I did install the non-hjg panel in the BAe146 instead of the ARJ. I will check that out. Also I will attempt to use your hosted ARJ panel base packs.
However I don't know if this "playing around" with these panels in FSX is the cause, but I can't load FSX now. After many hours of use with no problems, all of a sudden yesterday, FSX won't load. It just says to reload the disc to repair or reinstall FSX. I tried the repair option to no avail. Now I'm checking on my back ups to make sure I have everything I want as addons and will have to do a clean uninstall by PMDG Simulations 2014 edition.
This instructions are very thorough, and basically guarantees a clean uninstall and install. FSX has some unique crap that has to be sorted out in the process. Like I said, I am not sure why FSX got corrupted but I do have many many AI aircraft, and just a few Scenery addons.
Been running very good, as I use some of the FSX Steam files in the regular FSX box version, giving me great FPS's. Oh well, combine with my old system, I guess I can't complain as I need to clean it up again anyway. Thanks for your suggestions. I'll give it a go when I get everything up and running.
Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jan 30, 2018 19:50:46 GMT
I did install the non-hjg panel in the BAe146 instead of the ARJ
YEAH .... I'm sure that may be the foundation of your FADEC related issue .... so .... try the same panel with our ARJ base packs/FDE.
As I said (and just putting it all a bit more more briefly/simply) .... our BAe panels aren't FADEC equipped so their base packs/FDE doesn't support it .... where-as our ARJ panel "IS" FADEC equipped and which "IS" supported by their FDE's.
WHY THE DIFFERENCES ?
Because both panels required different FDE related engine data .... and other data too .... to enable the correct functioning of some of their panel gauges/systems (both engine systems within both panel versions are "different") .... as was originally compiled by Mathias and then further improved by us in respect of what we offer here.
I guess Mathias must also have been experimenting with FADEC among one or other of his FS.COM hosted BAe panel versions .... and which are older/were released before we ever introduced these aircraft.
When we recently re-released our ARJ/BAe project we fixed a number of details/faults .... among which included sorting out the FDE he/Mathias recommended using and which was supplied within his original releases .... and which we also vastly improved too.
Consequently .... what we offer .... "HERE" .... is much more recent .... and "better" .... but .... it "IS NOT" FSX portable .... whereas at least 1 of the earlier FS.COM releases may be but which I can't comment intelligently in regard to for lack of personal knowledge and experience with that/those other non-HJG hosted files.
I don't know if this "playing around" with these panels in FSX is the cause .... .... I am not sure why FSX got corrupted but I do have many many AI aircraft, and just a few Scenery addons.
There's nothing within any of our .... or any of the other .... panel versions that might harm FS .... I can assure you of that .... and more-so given you mention everything/this other panel otherwise working OK (save for its FADEC system) prior to this later experience.
What have you installed (if anything) since installing these other panels ?
I got FSX re-installed cleanly, I think. It is working but I just have the basic stuff on there at present. Today I am going to start adding some of my stuff, but slowly.
I don't have any OS updates as I'm running Vista and therefore....AS far as changing anything in FSX, well I probably change things daily on something. I am sure it is from me leaving some FSX-Steam files in or it is my OS. I had to recover the system last week, and will probably have to run my Reimage-Repair software at some point. This is a 11+ year old computer, but I have FSX purring on it, so I don't want to change until it dies completely.
I'll let you know how I come out. Thanks for the info and suggestions. Denny
Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jan 31, 2018 18:44:30 GMT
VISTA OS aye ?
You're probably one of few .... certainly the only person I know .... whom may ne running FS on a VISTA OS .... not that there's anything wrong with that
Hope you get it sorted Denny .... BUT .... be careful what you install .... and particularly in regard to files for our aircraft if these are not those offered by us here.
Although a problem might be quite rare .... we can't vouch for the integrity of files for our products which aren't compiled by us or those which may have been modified by others whom don't necessarily know what they're doing .... as we've seen in a few cases in the past.
Yes Vista. I know it is a pig for power, but I am obviously one of a few people that actually has had very little problems with it. Had a good friend that was a computer guy for IBM, and he always shook his head when we discussed it. 32 bit, 4gig ram, dual core AMD processor 2.6ghz, over clocked about 20%, and a NVidia GPU with 2gig memory. 5 fans with the gpu fan, all original equipment except for the gpu.
I flew the HJG AVRO RJ85 with this panel:Avro ARJ Version 4.0 for FS2002 by Matthias Lieberecht, and it worked quite nice. The Fadec worked well, but into the flight of about and hour, I couldn't bring up the Quadrant subpanel. That happens on other non-hjg avro's also. What I like is the FDE's on your stuff. So much smoother, and responsive. So today I might try your panel for the avro rj and see if it ports over.
I'm not afraid of any installs that would screw up my fsx re-install. I have concluded that it was using some FSX.CFG settings from Steam that I used, and also a OS file. Anyway, happy flying and talk to you soon. Denny
Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Feb 1, 2018 19:15:49 GMT
OK .... so the much earlier than ours non-HJG/FS.COM hosted BAe panel (with a FADEC system) for FS2002 "DOES" work with our current/new ARJ (only) base pack/FDE as well as porting over to FSX .... you say ?