First this airplane is great looking, demands excellent piloting skills while flying, and is an absolute joy to explore. Many kudos to the HJG team for an outstanding release. Thank you, immeasurably... However, I've only flown this twice and have just begun to explore the intricacies of this study level sim. I'm looking forward to many, many hours with this one.
My enchanting experience with this product is slightly marred by two very minor irritations. If anyone has any suggestions, please pass them on.
First and foremost: the airplane sits about ten feet off the ground. I've tried relocating to default sim locations, but same issue. I didn't want to start monkeying around the contact points as perhaps someone else has seen the same issue. Naturally the landing flare is a little "abrupt". Not sure how to address this.
Second: I have the JAL DC-10-40I panels v2. The capt. panel shows the CLG, but the FE panel does not and the CLG is not seen in Outside view (spot,Tower, etc)I downloaded the DC-10-40I panel v2. Not sure what is wrong, but the texture folder in this does not have the CLG on the FE panel.
Any ideas.. ?? Again, thank you all for a terrific airplane. Great detail in the bird. I'll be referring to the manual constantly. Great job, gentlemen.. and thanks to all who offer suggestions to overcome these little irritants.. Terry
Last Edit: Aug 24, 2018 17:42:51 GMT by simtech: omitted CLG not visible externally
Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Aug 24, 2018 22:00:17 GMT
Thanks for you kind acknowledgements Terry .... always appreciated by this team
Now to deal with your concerns ....
the airplane sits about ten feet off the ground
All DC-10 versions (-40's inclusive) are sitting fairly and squarely on the virtual ground and even to the extent of drmonstrating the right degree of tire compression at MGW .... as may be observed per the following stock imagery ....
DC-10-40D (CLG unit upolocked or removed)
DC-10-40F (high gross weight configuration .... with CLG unit extended)
DC-10-40F (low gross weight configuration .... no CLG unit uploacked)
The only factor which could cause a floating model (if I'm understanding you correctly) is if the CP's are modified/changed .... but which you say you've not done. There's no logigal reason why this should be occurring. Some FS add-on sceneries can result in displaced CP's .... but .... the result of this is normally tires sinking into such scenery and never a floating model. All I can suggest is .... corrupted CFG data (requiring a redownload/reinstall).... and/or load a default MSFS aircraft first then selecting your DC-10 of choice, but, whih is someothing nobody should ever need to do.
I'd actually like to see evidence of what you're seeing per an image .... AND ADDITIONALLY .... I'd also like you to copy & paste the CP section only of your DC-10-40 CFG/'s so I can analyse this data for myself.
You are using the latest FDE .... aren't you ?
Don't use any of these DC-10 files with our old/original DC-10 files .... or you will prospectively invite problems. A complete/full reinstallation must be performed .... using all of these new/latest Dc-10 files
the landing flare is a little "abrupt".
The landing flare should be quite gradual .... over several seconds .... and start from the around 50 FT callout.
Airspeed needs to be in proportion to weight and flap setting .... as computed within the dynamic V-REF chart on the main panel once FLAP 35 or FLAP 50 data has been commanded into view. Too much spped during the flare may cause a prolonged float prior to touchdown with the possibility of an increased/undesirable pitch attitude too .... but .... still the same gradual flare rate should be evident. Insufficient airspeed during the flare will result in a fairly firm arrival.
I can't really fault the flare rate .... throughout my own 11 months of pre-release testing. The auto-derotation "after" landing is probably a wee bit "abrupt" (if that's what you were intending to mean), but, the idea is that the rate of derotation can be reduced by applying a wee bit of controller device back pressure during the derotation ptocess .... in order to land the nose gear less abruptly.
I have the JAL DC-10-40I panels v2. The capt. panel shows the CLG, but the FE panel does not and the CLG is not seen in Outside view (spot,Tower, etc) I downloaded the DC-10-40I
I think you meat to say the FO MP shows the CLG/landing gear condition lamps
I've just downloaded the DC-10-40I panel and Aircraft Base Pack and examined their contents .... just in case a mistake was made by us. I can confirm though the uploaded files are correct. Both the DC-10-40I FO MP and FE sub panel "do" feature a 4 landing gear lights configuration (with CLG unit). The base pack does contain the correct -40I model .... with the CLG unit as follows ....
The above images also reconfirm thatthe CP's are all fine too with the model sitting fairly and squarely on the ground.
Given that the uploaded files are correct .... the only way the discrepency you report could possibly occur is if you have (inocently) gotten your DC-10-40D (JAL Domestic) and DC-10-40I (JAL International) base packs and panels mixed up.
The DC-10-40D and -40F (LGW) lack the CLG unit ....
.... and the DC-10-40I and -40F (HGW) features the CLG unit ....
Everything as supplied seems, to me, to be fine .... so far as I can at this moment ascertain.
Mark, I took your suggestion and loaded up default B747 and no issues with wheels on the ground.I even tried a fourth default, unmodified airport with the reloaded DC-10, it jumps up again. When the plane jumps up, the struts, strangely, compresses...not extends. The aircraft config is the same as the one loaded with the d/l (aircraft_fsx) with the exception I put in the JAL livery. I see on the extensive manual that, yes, I should see the CLG externally and the lites at the FE, but, in fact, I don't. I down loaded the links for the panels from this link: simviation.com/hjg/downloads.htm. IF these are the incorrect versions, even though the panel states DC-10-40I, I may have messed up. I suspect in order for me to attach the cfg file, I'll have to start a new thread?? I don't see any tools that would allow me to do so.The "abrupt" touchdown corresponds to the fact that the airplane is sitting ~ 10 feet higher than the normal sight picture and it's touching down before wheels are actually on the ground. Thank you for your quick and thorough response. Terry
Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Aug 25, 2018 1:11:13 GMT
I'd say there's something going on with your installation (some scenery/model interaction .... as you say the LG on the models compresses as they float) .... but .... I wouldn't have a clue as to what may be causing it .... other than to say this would normally only happen if the CP's were modified beyond what we provide.
Technically speaking .... one shouldn't have to load a default MSFS aircraft though "prior to loading any these DC-10's" (at least I never do) .... but .... when strange things happen, on some PC's, and which aren't universally experienced, and that we can't replicate either, then, loading a default MSFS aircraft "first" and/or between aircraft selections has been known to be a cure .... for the like of very mior problems .... only what you're reporting seems to be "serious" and esxperience by only uyourself .... since we can't replicate any such issue.
IN SUMMARY ....
None of our aircraft are floating .... as evidenced by the above imagery .... some of which has been made on 2 different PC's in 2 different countries over the past 11 months.
The JALWAYS RESO'CHA images in particular I made this morning .... for the benefit of reply to this thread .... and whilst doing that I also checked out/re-downloaded our DC-10-40I aircraft base pack and panel too .... and each of their file contents appear, to me, to be correect.
The CP data for all of our DC-10 simulations is "the same" and hasn't changed since 2014 .... that's one detail which didn't require any adjustment so it was never touched.
You won't be able to/can't post attahements on this forum .... so .... I want you to "COPY & PASTE" the CP section (only .... not the entire CFG) of your affected DC-10's and add this data to your next reply posting on this thread .... preferrably with a supporting image too since I/we all need to "see precisely what you're seeing".
The DC-10-40I FE sub panel definitely displays a 4-landing gear configuration (repeated on the FO MP too) as follows ....
IF these are the incorrect versions, even though the panel states DC-10-40I, I may have messed up.
They are the cotrrect files alright .... because I've checked them this morning following you report.
I suspect you have probably "meesed-up" to some extent (we've all done it at some past stage) .... like getting base packs and panels mixed up (hence your panel CLG lamp/s discrepency) .... but even so .... this doesn't explain your floating aircraft issue because a base pack/panel mix up among hese simulations "WILL NOT" cause/contribute to this.
The "abrupt" touchdown corresponds to the fact that the airplane is sitting ~ 10 feet higher than the normal sight picture and it's touching down before wheels are actually on the ground.
No .... the effect would be precisely the same as if you were landing on the virtual tierra-firma .... because in your case something is still fooling your DC-10/'s into beliving they're on the ground when actual in fact, you say, they're still some 10FT above it. I've never heard of such an issue throughou my entire 18 years association with HJG .... unless (once again) the CP's have been modified, intentionally or otherwise, and which is why I/we need to assess your CP data.
Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Aug 25, 2018 4:55:48 GMT
Just checked the CP's too .... verifying this data against what I have installed .... and then the recently uploaded stock base stock files still in my possession .... and then comparing both with what i downloaded today also.
The CP data contained within the base packs "IS" correct .... so the issue Terry's (allegedly) experiencing doesn't originate here or with what we supply.
Mark, I'm been trying to reply for thirty minutes. I apologize I'm not having any luck with the image. I've tried .png, .jpg, and thumbnail but no joy. I flying the boxed FSX-A and ironically have had no problems with your previous DC-10 and L1011 aircraft. I'm enclosing the CPs. Hope this helps, but they are virgin.. no change.
gear_system_type= 0 // set to (always-on) electric, as hydraulic failures handled panel-side
If all else fails, I'll delete the aircraft tomorrow evening, and return to the zips and re-assemble from them.. but I don't see any file or version change after reviewing your d/l site. This is bizarre. Thank you for your interest and help. Again, fantastic job on this aircraft...we'll get these bugs squashed...I have faith.. Terry
Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Aug 25, 2018 5:26:30 GMT
It's "bizarre" alright .... and what troubled me is the issue/these issues seem to be related to your own installation only.
I think the panel LG lamps is a simple case of the wrong panel being applied to the wrong aircraft type .... an easy mistake
As for your floating aircraft .... the CP data you've just posted checks our precisely with what I have installed (as imaged above today) .... and the stock files that were recently uploaded .... as well as what I downloaded this morning too .... so your problem doesn't originate with what we provide.
There're been no file changes or silent edits since uploading .... since we never do that .... and if we do (or correct/adjust anything) then we always announce the fact .... just as I did yesterday with my "SECTION 2" extensions of the manual.
Re imagery (and I do want to see this evidence) .... you nee to upload your image to a image hosting service (like IMGUR.COM .... it's "free") .... then .... copy & paste the URL for that image to your next posting.
Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Aug 25, 2018 12:42:06 GMT
I flying the boxed FSX-A
UMMM .... I note you earlier mentioned the FSX specific CFG.FILE.
I want to be sure "you are" actually using "IT" .... in FSX .... and haven't possibly gotten it confused/muddled with the default FS2004 version .... MEANING .... check that you have actually activated the FSX specific CFG for FSX use.
The "active" CFG within each base pack is for FS2004 use only.
Just check that you've done this correctly please .... and aren't trying to run the default FS2004 CFG in FSX.
Post by Mike Monce - HJG on Aug 25, 2018 18:58:10 GMT
Have you also tried the DC10-10 or the DC10-30 to see if the same thing happens??
As Herman suggests I have seen such a thing before if there is a bgl issue in the scenery. Sometimes if there are two conflicting AFCAD files, or as he suggests, a flattening bgl. I did have an airport that I installed that totally through off ALL my magnetic headings on every plane to true headings... . very bizarre that an airport scenery would affect globally all my airplanes. Once I deleted the scenery everything returned to normal. However, I only use FS9 so that's about as far as I can go other than suggesting to see if this problem is inherent only to the -40 model.
Post by Nathan Ford - HJG on Aug 25, 2018 20:39:51 GMT
Hi Terry, this is a bit of a long shot, but what DC-10 model are you flying with this panel. I couldn’t see it mentioned in any of your links. Could it be that somehow the 30 model has been installed with the 40 panel? Also, you have downloaded the latest models of the aircraft v3? Just making sure that you are not installing the v2 panel onto DC10’s that you already have installed.
Also, have you tried clearing your browser history and re downloading and reinstalling everything?
The other thing is, like Mark said, have you installed the aircraft into the aircraft_FSX.cfg and renamed it to aircraft.cfg?
To post an image, you have to load it onto a 3rd party image hosting site, eg Imgur, then use the link when creating a post. Won’t be available if you click “quick reply.” Cheers,
Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Aug 25, 2018 21:16:47 GMT
His query has been in relation to the -40's Nathan.
The same CP's are applied to each of these models .... no variation is required. These haven't changed from the old/original release .... they didn't need to. The only variance among these is in regard to their simulated weight, engine related parameters, various flight and drag related parameters also, and all of those parameters necessary in order for each panel version to be able to function.
Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Aug 26, 2018 0:54:34 GMT
Didn't really want to do this .... BUT .... felt I "had to" .... simply to demonstrate what I've been saying all-along.
This morning I made these very quick images (nothing spectacular or in accordance with my usual image making preferences) of each of our basic DC-10 type aircraft .... just to demonstrate the CP data is fine ....
As can be seen per each of the above images .... the CP data "IS" fine .... resulting in all feet being firmly planted "on the virtual ground" .... and that's in regard to each of our DC-10's and not just the 40's SERIES.
Not doubting you've got a problem Terry, but, I don't think it's one our product is creating for you or that we're going to be able to very decisively assist with either .... and I do say that "with a heart" because there's nothing myself, and this entire team, like doing more than trying to assist people enjoy our simulations .... and which is why we provide, and support them, in the first instance.
We're more than happy to continue engaging with you in regard to this/your issue though (so don't interpret this a any kind of fob-off because it's "not") .... and I'd still like to see some imagery showing evidence of your particular issue .... if you can arrange to provide such .... and to also know a little more about your system and what you have installed (perhaps scenery-wise) too that may potentially be contributing to your experience.