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Post by M.I.B. on Sept 21, 2018 23:34:37 GMT
I was just playing with the fantastic panel night lighting in various DC-10 panels, and very much enjoying what I saw. But as I did so, I noticed what appears to be a couple of very minor lighting/gauge glitches. Specifically: 1) At night, if the FO side MP lighting switch is turned on (on the FO side WX radar panel), and if neither the flood lighting switch nor the MP lighting switch is turned on on the captain side (on the captain side WX radar panel), then the captain side VSI gauge disappears, being replaced by a black "void". As soon as either the captain side flood lighting switch or the captain side MP lighting switch is turned on (or both), the VSI gauge on the captain side reappears. It also reappears as soon as the FO side MP lighting switch is turned off. The opposite does not happen (FO side VSI gauge disappearing when the captain side MP lighting switch is turned on, as long as neither the flood lighting switch nor the MP lighting switch is turned on on the FO side). This issue has been observed in the DC-10-10, DC-10-30 and DC-10-40 panels. All DC-10 panels may suffer from it. As long as it is on, the FO side MP lighting switch causes......the captain side VSI gauge to disappear, provided neither the flood lighting switch nor the MP lighting switch are on, on the captain side. 2) At night, with all other lights off, if one turns on the center MP lighting switch on the CP panel, then closes the CP panel, then reopens the CP panel, switches off the center MP lighting switch, then closes the CP panel again, then moves over to the opposite side of the cockpit (captain or FO side, depending on which of them the procedure began), the N1 engine gauges are affected/their readings are partly covered by black space. The problem persists until the CP panel is brought back into view, which fixes the problem, and the CP panel can now be closed. If the procedure is repeated, the problem reappears. This issue has been observed in the DC-10-10 and DC-10-30 panels, but not in the DC-10-40 one. Tape engine gauges panels seem unaffected by this. All round engine gauges panels may be affected by this bug. I want to stress that these are very minor bugs, and they in no way negatively impact the experience and enjoyment of these simulations (in my case, at least). I'd venture to guess the chances are fairly slim to see these bugs during normal operation, and even then, they can easily be resolved. The first one merely requires the CP panel to be briefly brought into view once, which fixes the bug. Only the first bug is somehow more noticeable, since a certain lighting configuration renders a particular gauge invisible, and cannot seem to be resolved no matter what sub-panels one opens or closes. But even that can easily be circumvented by avoiding that particular lighting configuration which causes it. I was just thinking I should maybe report these minor bugs since I stumbled upon them, just in case they may be easily fixed (or fixable in the first place) with the occasion of some potential future panel upgrade or revisit. Otherwise, the enjoyment and pleasure associated with experiencing these simulations will still be virtually unaffected, since these bugs pop up only under very specific conditions, and can easily be avoided. One other curiosity I have, that's related to DC-10 lighting: how come many/some liveries don't feature logo lighting on the vertical stabilizers? Those liveries that do, apparently display their logo lighting upon turning the landing lights on. Is this correct, or is it just a limitation we must live with (and we'll do so happily)? Some liveries don't "light up" the tail logo no matter what lights I turn off, apparently, hence I suppose they do not feature logo lights. Again, this is just a curiosity, not something that affects my enjoyment. Thank you so very much! Kind regards, Dóre
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 22, 2018 0:07:23 GMT
Because not all airlnes had tail logo lighting .... it wasn´t standard/uniform
Some texture artists will apply it regardless .... but .... among those textures I (personally) hve been respomsible for organiing for HJG only those airline I know for sure had it feature it.
And tiss´all regardless whether or not the panel/s feature a Logo Light switch .... I can´t remember whethr dhey do or not soiince I´m now well into th next aircraft project.
Mark C BOG/CO
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Post by M.I.B. on Sept 22, 2018 0:51:10 GMT
Wow, that is surely interesting. I wasn't expecting logo lights to be routinely missing in the DC-10 era. That's so two thousand and DC-8, as they say. Now I'm happy to see the missing logo lighting, knowing that that is just another notch of realism. Thanks Mark!
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 22, 2018 1:11:29 GMT
Actually .... I need to correct myself Unlike was the case with DC-8´s and B707´s (not all operators installed tail logo lighting on these particular aircraft .... it only came into vogue during te early 1970´s) .... most DC-10 operators "did" have it, but, some opted not to have it. Our DC-10 panels don´t feature a tail logo light switch (I just checked that), but then again, they don´t need it either .... because the tail logo lighting effects are part of the textures and are activated "automatically" in accordannce with FS time of day lighting. Among our DC-10 textures which do have these effects (and whicj will be most of tthem .... I was thinking of the DC-8´s when I replied above), the tail logo lighting blooms will only be visable after, and before, specific FS dusk to dawn transitional lighting times of day as may be seen below .... .... and visibility these lighting effects will also vary in accordance with FS seasonal transitions too. Since most of our DC-10´s "do" featue these effects .... if you´re not seeing them, then, that can only be because you´ve tried to view them outside those transitional dusk to dawn lighting times of day. Mark C BOG/CO
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Post by M.I.B. on Sept 22, 2018 1:58:21 GMT
Actually, the reason I haven't seen the logo lights is because I only got myself "logo light-less" liveries. I just downloaded the 1977 ANZ DC-10-30 livery (ZK-NZP), and sure enough, the logo light is there. But now there seems to be another, even more mysterious mystery I can't comprehend. Looking at your night/dusk/dawn DC-10 screenshots, I can clearly see how the landing lights (the actual bulbs) illuminate the sides of the front end of the fuselage, right behind the nose. In my case, no texture that I've tried so far (on the -10, -30 and -40) seems to do that at all, not even ZK-NZP, which I believe is the one in your screenshots, and which clearly shows that effect. I tried turning on all the lights I could find, even pressing L, to no avail. It's as if the light teleports itself directly onto the tarmac, and never traverses the fuselage. At first, I thought the textures don't feature that effect, but it is apparent from your screenshots that they do. Very mysterious mystery...
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 22, 2018 14:14:52 GMT
There´s certainly nothing wrong with the night lighting effects assosciated with any of the models and textures .... as can be seen below .... DC-10-10 DC-10-15 DC-10-30 DC-10-40 If you´re not seeing the like of the above effects then that can only be the result of some setting within your own FS installation .... or possibly your graphics card settings. All I can suggest is as follows .... 1. Go to OPTIONS/SETTINGS/DISPLAY/AIRCRAFT .... and make sure the "LANDING LIGHTS" option is selected/checked. 2. Go to OPTIONS/SETTINGS/DISPLAY/HARDWARWE .... and make sure the following options are selected/checked also .... - "RENDER TO TEXTURE" - "TRANSFORM & LIGHTING" - Also check that the "HARDWARE RENDERED LIGHTS" slider is set to around "6" All DC-10 texture night lighting BMP´s feature landing lights blooms/illuminatons .... that´s standard among all of these textures .... and the actual light/bulb will only be visible from certain acute angles of view ahead of these model/s. Some (though not many .... again I was getting confused with the DC-8´s and B707´s when I firt replied to this thread last night) DC-10 textures may not feature tail logo illumination .... because it will have been (intentionally) removed from those subjects which don´t require it. The like of cabin window lighting will vary according to texture artist preferences (as is evidenced above) .... some like to subdue the intensity of this particular lighting whilst others like their cabin windows all lit up like Las Vegas, so, that sor of variation needs to be tolerated Again .... the night lighting effects are all fine .... so .... I can only suggest you need to check your FS and hardware related settings in attempt to figure out what´s happening on your system. Mark C BOG/CO
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 22, 2018 14:37:51 GMT
With regard to panel gauges versus environmental lighting ....
I have seen examples of what you report .... both in some HJG and non-HJG panels alike.
Normally day to dusk to night .... and then night to dawn to day environmental lighting transitions within FS are gradual .... and the like of panel/gauge lighting generally adjusts/illuminates automatically and accordingly to these times of day lighting scenrios.
However in the csase of "suddenly" imposed environmental lighting trasnsitions .... such as an immediate adjustment from broad daylight to dusk or evening etc .... and/or when suddenly activating panel/gauge instrumentation lighting too in such cases .... it seems that some types of panel/gauge lighting can be slow to react to such rapid/immediate changes, with some gauges faces then becoming unreadable for a minute or so, until the panel/gauge lighting eventually catches up with the suddenly imposed envorinmnental, or other, lighting scenario. It seems some panels/gauges don´t like, or are sentitive to, such rapid/instantaneos lighting transitions.
Again .... I have seen this in some HJG and non-HJG panels alike
It´s captivating, if not irritating, when it happens, but, it´s of absolutely no consequence at all .... because the panel/gauge lighting does eventually catch up with, and adjust to, the particular lighting scenario.
Mark C BOG/CO
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Post by M.I.B. on Sept 22, 2018 17:45:35 GMT
Thanks for your continued assistance Mark, it is indeed appreciated! I've checked all those FS settings, turns out they are all exactly as you recommended me to set them up. I completely reinstalled the DC-10s, to no avail. I even tried some old Erick Cantu DC-10 models available on FlightSim.com (from 2004 I think), and it seems those models and textures exhibit the exact same problem in my case, no bloom effect on the fwd fuselage. I tried eliminating FSUIPC, reverting FS to its factory settings (deleting the FS9.cfg file), but unsurprisingly, none had an effect on it. So it most definitely must be something wrong with my system, graphics card-related or otherwise. If any folks reading this could try to replicate this for me on their systems, using any HJG DC-10 simulation, and report back, I'd be most grateful. Just grab your preferred HJG DC-10 simulation, make it be night time, turn on the landing lights, and see if your forward fuselage sides, behind the nose, get lit up by the landing light bulbs, as they do in Mark's shots. It almost certainly will work just fine, but who knows, if 2 individual systems experience this abnormal behavior with these models, at least we know it ain't the devil stickin' his tail into my system. It's just such a curious behavior...
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 22, 2018 18:05:26 GMT
And just to confirm .... Mine are "all" the current version models (umodified and with nothing different than everyone else´s got) and using out new panels/gauges too .... which I´ve only just installed on this other PC away from home. These effects are also "not" new to these models or panels either .... each of our past 2 releases of these models (starting wih the original EC vrsions), and the original panels as well, all had/have precisely these same effects too. Definitely something "local" in your case Dorel .... I´m sorry to say Mark C BOG/CO
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Post by simtech on Sept 23, 2018 5:22:50 GMT
Mark, the landing light lighting effect is interesting. I'm using FSX-A boxed and I only tried the DC-10-40, but sitting on the tarmac, at night, the fuselage is not illuminated as in your picture but the wings are and not the fuselage as in Dorel's pictures. I have a lowly computer so perhaps that's the issue. I turned AA and Bloom on and off with no effect. The interesting part is that I have observed on approach, however, the forward fuselage being lit on short final. Sitting on the tarmac, engines running ready for taxi, or even preposition about 10 miles out at 3K', fuselage doesn't illuminate. I don't think it's going to garner much of my time tracking this down as I rarely observe from the outside excepting replay of approach and landing. I suspect in my case, my graphics engine can't muster up the power to light the pixels... You have some beautiful shots there. I have to d/l a couple of those liveries.. Great airplane...Terry
P.S. To complicate matters, I just loaded HJG L-1011, and the fuselage lights up very well..hmmm...Since I fly these two frequently maybe that's what I've seen on approach. I'll do a check..OK, a recheck and on approach, rollout and taxi, my DC-10 does not illuminate the fuselage with the three JAL liveries I have. I'll d/l another livery and give it a shot.
OK, I D/L the 10-30... in both Singapore Liveries and for some reason (hardware limited?), my plane doesn't look like yours, Mark. The lights on the horizontal stab light up, but the vertical stab does not. Also the light at wing root only illuminates a very small area, and the forward area of the fuselage is not lit at all. Didn't mean to muddy up the waters, but I don't think the Devil got into Dorel's computer. If he did, he's hanging out in mine also. Anyway, it is only strange that the L-1011 works but these two don't. Maybe something in light placement definitions in the ac.cfg? Not going to sweat it...I spend 95% of my time inside this grand cockpit. Contrails and blue skies....
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Post by M.I.B. on Sept 23, 2018 14:37:04 GMT
Hi simtech, thanks a lot for your report! While I am sorry to hear you're also plagued with these little issues, I'm a bit relieved to know that at least one other system experiences the same odd behavior mine does, that means something interesting must be going on here, it's a ghost haunting more than one system. OK, I D/L the 10-30... in both Singapore Liveries and for some reason (hardware limited?), my plane doesn't look like yours, Mark. The lights on the horizontal stab light up, but the vertical stab does not.I'm glad you pointed this out, because it would seem to indicate the problem is more extensive than just the landing light bulbs not illuminating the fuselage. This happens to me too in the case of the Singapore livery, and I hadn't even noticed it. I just thought the logo light on the Singapore livery doesn't light up simply because that is one of the liveries which do not have the logo light effect, because, supposedly, Singapore was one of the few airlines which chose not to have logo lights on their DC-10s. But looking at Mark's screenshots of the same aircraft and the same Singapore livery, it's clearly evident that that livery DOES have logo light effects (vertical stabilizer illumination). In our case, the Singapore livery shows no logo light: On the other hand, if you look at my Air New Zealand DC-10-30 screenshot earlier in this thread, you'll see that it DOES feature logo lights/illuminated vertical stabilizer. Therefore, it looks like some logo light-equipped repaints do display the logo light textures, while other logo light-equipped repaints do not. So it would seem that our systems have a broader problem with displaying parts of various SGA DC-10 textures. At least in my case, that includes the lack of logo lights on some textures which DO feature that effect, as well as the complete lack of landing light bulb fuselage illumination on all textures I've tried so far. Not sure if this is caused by a limitation of our hardware or not, since at least in the case of the tail logo lights, and in my case at least, not all logo light-equipped liveries fail to display that effect - some fail to display it while others display it just fine. So I figure, if it were a graphics hardware issue, none of the logo light-equipped liveries should display that effect (so I shouldn't see the logo light on the Air New Zealand livery, but I do see it just fine). However, it MUST be SOMETHING localized on our part, as long as nobody else experiences these abnormalities. Exactly what it is, remains an interesting mystery. Perhaps there are some repaints which do display the landing light illumination of the fuselage in our/my case, the same way some logo light-equipped repaints display that effect properly, while others do not. I shall keep trying more repaints to see if that is the case. Simtech, try the DC-10-30 1977 Air New Zealand ZK-NZP repaint and see if the vertical stabilizer lights up. It worked in my case. It's also interesting that we're experiencing these behaviors in 2 different sims, I use FS9.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 23, 2018 15:19:44 GMT
The answer "is not" in the texture/s. Here´s my own images of -NZP .... straight from the manual and which was made specifically for it just prior to release .... Again both lighting blooms are fine as is illustrated above. I have a suspcion as to the possible cause of this, but, need to consult .... but .... won´t/don´t have time to do so today MRC
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Post by simtech on Sept 23, 2018 21:27:26 GMT
Dorel, as a courtesy, I installed the ANZ and yes, the vertical stab does illuminate, however, the front of the fuselage does not. Mark's picture shows both conditions. My presentation is akin to the one you posted. I'm sure an answer to this mystery may be forthcoming, but I'm not holding my breath. This is only a minor distraction to the overall value of this airplane. I suspect this is hardware related and as such, I'm not holding this issue to the highest priority as I'm confident my minimal video card is a contributing factor. But be assured, the Devil's tail is not dwelling only in your computer...Cheers........
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 23, 2018 22:45:52 GMT
Dorel .... and Terry .... would you please check your EMAIL .... and report back to me please Mark C BOG/CO
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Post by simtech on Sept 24, 2018 0:33:13 GMT
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