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Post by Nathan Ford - HJG on Oct 10, 2018 1:30:53 GMT
A quick tutorial hosted by someone who sounds like Kermit the Frog
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Post by transportfan2014 on Oct 10, 2018 2:07:58 GMT
The autopilot VOR/LOC will only lock on and follow the CDI when the VOR you are tuned into is within range. It won’t just follow the flight plan like a gps does. What I do is set the RMI indicator (adf indicator) from adf to VOR using the little switch on the lower left of the instrument, the needle will swing to point in the direction of the VOR when it is in range. You can then turn the course knob on the HSI until the course deviation needle (CDI) is centred, then click the autopilot to VOR/LOC. This is old school technology which is why it is so much more fun than just turning on a gps. Hope this has t sorted out for you now, but the most important thing is, you have to be in range of a VOR for it to work. Cheers, Nathan. p.s. When creating a flight plan, make sure you click on VOR to VOR not direct or high altitude airways. That way your flightplan will include all of your VOR frequencies. Okay, I get it now. Well RIP me then if I have any 727-100s at cruising altitude (as they lack an INS). I might have to recreate the path for the airborne 727-100s (especially if the path is not a VOR to VOR one). Thanks a lot,I tested it out with a Mexicana 727-200 ADVC on a MSSS-KLAX VOR to VOR path and finally got the VOR/LOC detente to work. Well, it seems like transoceanic flights can't be done with the 727-100 unless I either 1) add in the GPS500 into the panel.cfg of the 727-100 or 2) swap the 727-100 panels with early 727-200 panels (with INS but without A/T). Or 3) I happen to find any transoceanic path (eg: between Ft. Lauderdale, any airport in the Dominican Republic, the Canary Islands and Manchester airport) with adjescent VORs. Anyway thanks a lot. Remind me to grab a piece of paper and write down the frequencies of all VORs along the path.
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Post by transportfan2014 on Oct 10, 2018 2:56:07 GMT
I tried it out. And finally got the VOR/LOC detente to work. Oh well, I gotta remake all existing flight plans for any airborne 727-100s.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Oct 10, 2018 3:02:18 GMT
I have to ask those questions as a standard matter of form in the process of elimination In addition to all previously posted good advice .... I can assure you that a VOR NAV intecept (using any of these B727 panels) is/should be as simple as follows .... 1. Setting a NAV1 radio frequency for the intended VOR .... if ones´NAV radio frequency is wrong (or out of range) there´s no way the simulation will ever be able to intercept any radial.. 2. Setting the NAV course selecter within the HSI to reflect the directtion of radial one intends to intercept and fly. 3. Setting the HDG selecter within the HSI to reflect the heading one intends to fly following T/O 4. Selecting the AP "ON" after T/O. 6. Selecting AP HDG switch "ON" in order to fly the pre-selected heading following T/O .... and steer toward and "acquire" the selected VOR radial at an intercept angle not exceeding 20* (degrees) .... and with the FD Mode Selector switch also set to HDG. 7. The AP Pitch/Roll Selector knob may also be used to adjust the selected heading (this action will overide the selected HDG indication in the HSI) .... but .... does result in less smooth heading adjustments than is the case using the HSI HDG curser with AP HDG switch engaged and can also result in unintentional pitch adjustsments too if extreem bank angles are commanded or the AP Pitch/Roll Selector knob is otherwise not used cautiously. 8. Upon intercepting the selected NAV radial .... selecting the AP Roll Mode Selector switch to NAV LOC .... this action will (intentionally) auto-disengage the AP HDG switch .... and also selecting the FD Mode Selector Switch to VOR LOC. 9. If used to acquire a heading in order to intercept any pre-selcted VOR course/radial AP the Pitch/Roll Selector knob must first be set to its nuetral position "prior to" engaging AP NAV LOC mode .... or AP NAV LOC mode cannot be engaged and VOR radial will nit then be acquired/captured. 10. Remember VOR only has a range of up to 200 miles (194 miles at the maximum in FS .... with some represented VOR´s having far less range that that), so, beyond this range and/or unless working another VOR and/or VOR2 .... then you´re into "dead reckoning" using these panels. The above 10 points are how the AP HDG and VOR LOC system is intended to work .... and how it does in fact work .... as I´ve just rechecked it for the benefit of this reply. If the system still isn´t working for you based on the above guidence then I must start to question your interpration and practice of our recommended procedure/s. I can´t relate to interaction of the Flight Planning feature you say yo´re using and our panels, but, if its´FS based then there shouldn´t be any poblems .... except in the case of any attempted use of GPS navigation since these B727 panels "are not" (intentionally) GPS NAV equipped. GPS NAV can possibly be added .... BUT .... one has to be fairly conversant/competent with FS engineering and know what precisely they´re doing .... and if added then we/HJG can´t provide support for it as it´s not a feature of these panels "as we supply them" to be used Mark C BOG/CO
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Post by walterleo on Oct 10, 2018 8:23:27 GMT
Hi friends: In real regular transatlantic flights with 727´s were not done. There were flights to ferry 727´s over the Atlantic, but flown by specialised crews with additional navigation equipment. But there also were cases of ferry flights getting into seriuos troubles, one 727 even disappeared on one of those flights. In FS9 the FS9 flight planner can only calculate a "direct" (GPS route) over the North Atlantic. With a good navigator´s training, actual winds aloft charts, a special compass system and taking into account the compass deviations one could fly also without INS nor GPS such route. I you are interested in such a flight: tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/thread/9048/atlantic-crossing?page=1&scrollTo=61985Kind regards Walter
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Post by transportfan2014 on Oct 10, 2018 8:37:27 GMT
Hi friends: In real regular transatlantic flights with 727´s were not done. There were flights to ferry 727´s over the Atlantic, but flown by specialised crews with additional navigation equipment. But there also were cases of ferry flights getting into seriuos troubles, one 727 even disappeared on one of those flights. In FS9 the FS9 flight planner can only calculate a "direct" (GPS route) over the North Atlantic. With a good navigator´s training, actual winds aloft charts, a special compass systems and taking into account the compass deviations one could fly also without INS nor GPS such route. I you are interested in such a flight: tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/thread/9048/atlantic-crossing?page=1&scrollTo=61985Kind regards Walter Interesting!
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Post by walterleo on Oct 10, 2018 8:59:29 GMT
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Post by Nathan Ford - HJG on Oct 10, 2018 10:06:55 GMT
SkyVector is a great free application you can use to plan VOR/NDB flights over water. You can click on the VORs and NDBs and create a plan which you can save to PDF then print, with all of the frequencies and courses. For the larger areas, you can either dead reckon to the next point until the beacon comes into range or have a sneaky peak at the map in FS. If you press “shift+z” C’s will give you your latitude and longitude which you can cross reference on the SkyVector map. SkyVector works just as well on a tablet device as a pc and I use it all the time. Cheers, Nathan SkyVector link
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Post by Nathan Ford - HJG on Oct 10, 2018 10:30:56 GMT
Actually, ignore the last post, I have just the program you need. It’s called “Little NavMap” and it’s totally free! It it is a flightsim flight planning tool for flight sim that is as feature packed as the payware one have been using, allowing you to automatically create a flightplan, using SIDS and STARS if you want and will then save the flight plan to the flightsim. It you can check on the Little NavMap while you are flying and it will show you your position. It also has an autopilot control that uses the sims autopilot heading mode to control the aircraft like a gps. Brilliant ever evolving piece of software that is a must have. Cheers, Nathan. Little NavMap
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Oct 10, 2018 11:46:33 GMT
I missed commenting (tired and with comnstant interruptions too) in regard to the following last night ....
"Under normal operating conditions" B727´s (neither the 100 or 200) don´t have trans-Atlantic range (although some private/VIP aircraft may have been reconfigured in order to be able to do so) .... unless operating a staged crossing such as via Gandar, Keflavik, Reykjavik, or Shannon (or any combination of these .... such being the most commonly operated historic ferry routings) .... and which would still require "absolute minimum payload" in order to promote maximum possible fuel capacity for range.
What you do is entirely up to you .... of course .... BUT .... I wouldnt recommend merging ány of our B727-200 panels with our B727-100 aircraft base packs etc. Doing so is a recipe for problems since .... "as is clearly stated within our manual" .... each B727 panel we offer is aircraft base pack version/engine type specific. Merging these panels with unintended aircraft base packs will result in discrepencies in regard to engine indications, V-REF data, as well as inconsistencies with other panel based/generated reference data too .... in short you´ll omly be subjecting yourself to a less authentic B737 experience in FS. Always use the correct aircraft type panels with the correct/intended aicraft type base packs .... "again as is referenced within PP1 of the manual" .... or problems "will" result.
Mark C BOG/CO
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Post by walterleo on Oct 11, 2018 12:48:53 GMT
Hi friends: Seems the problem of transportfan2014 finally is sorted out. Regarding 727 as VIP airplane: Armand Hammer flew many years his OXI-1 a long range B 727 with lavish interior and big tanks to the Sovietunion as one of the few airplanes to fly inside their airspace without a Russian "navigatr". The NY Times describes it so: The OXY 1 has been specially designed for such intercontinental flights. Additional fuel tanks give the jet a nonstop range of up to 5,000 miles, and sophisticated telecommunications equipment allow Hammer to telephone almost anywhere in the world while en route. The 100-foot-long cabin has been reconfigured into a personal salon equipped with such small luxuries as a Betamax video recorder and a videotape library of Chaplin films. There is even a guest room, further foward.www.nytimes.com/1981/11/29/magazine/the-riddle-of-armand-hammer.htmlKind regards Walter
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Post by Nathan Ford - HJG on Oct 12, 2018 1:16:10 GMT
Re reading Transportfan2014 post, I think he was saying “transoceanic” flights e.g Caribbean, not necessarily “trans Atlantic” ones. I might have to go and get reading glasses Cheers, Nathan
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Post by transportfan2014 on Oct 12, 2018 2:52:05 GMT
Yep, I meant those flights within those islands between north America and Europe. I don't think trans-Atlantic flights without any stops in between is possible with jets with low bypass turbofans (aside from JT3D/Conway-equipped 707s, the VC10 and its Soviet equivalent)...
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Post by walterleo on Oct 12, 2018 10:41:02 GMT
Hi transportfan:
The Russian long range jets IL 62 and IL 62 M had different engines. The IL 62 had the Kuznetzov NK 8-4 and the IL 62 M had the Solowjew D-30. The NK 8 was a low bypass engine and the D-30 was a real fan engine (0,57:1). The range and max takeoff wheight for both airplanes were nearly the same, but the payload the IL-62 M could carry over long distances was considerably higher.
Kind regards
Walter
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Post by George Carty - HJG on Oct 12, 2018 10:52:08 GMT
AIUI the original Soloviev D-30 (as used in the Tu-134) was a low-bypass turbofan similar to the original Pratt & Whitney JT8D, while the later versions as used in the Il-62M and Tu-154M were re-fanned with a considerably higher bypass ratio. Same principle as the Pratt & Whitney JT8D-200 series, but with an even greater increase in thrust.
George
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