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Post by Peter Liddell on Oct 8, 2018 19:57:18 GMT
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Post by joscyriacv2 on May 4, 2024 9:32:16 GMT
Your AI game is strong.
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Post by Herman on May 9, 2024 11:09:11 GMT
Very nice representation of the Trans Ocean DC-8-72 Jetliner. Which airport are you departing from?? Herman
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 9, 2024 11:18:46 GMT
Can't answer that one Herman (other than to suggest it's definitely an add-on rather than stock or default airport scenery) .... unless someone recognizes it.
Peter's still indisposed .... as he'll continue to remain until further notice according to my last communication with him.
Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by joscyriacv2 on May 9, 2024 11:35:21 GMT
Very nice representation of the Trans Ocean DC-8-72 Jetliner. Which airport are you departing from?? Herman JFK, as it says in the forum title.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 9, 2024 21:04:40 GMT
HA ! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) .... missed the airport being ID'd in the title bar ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) Mind you it's an old 2018 posting too .... and in regard to which I guess one's cognitive reflexes can go into a kind of "snooze mode" after such a long period/some 6 years). MRC
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Post by Herman on May 10, 2024 11:22:13 GMT
OK....I will blame that lack of oversight on my age.... ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Interesting though that Peter posted this now. I love all the Ai traffic. I think it is HJG Jetliner Ai traffic.?? judging by the visual quality of the aircraft. Herman
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Post by joscyriacv2 on May 10, 2024 12:16:13 GMT
OK....I will blame that lack of oversight on my age.... ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Interesting though that Peter posted this now. I love all the Ai traffic. I think it is HJG Jetliner Ai traffic.?? judging by the visual quality of the aircraft. Herman I doubt. HJG offers only DC-8, VC-10, 1-11 and Trident AI aircraft. These screenshots have a wide variety of aircraft. I'd love to have a setup like this. It's a lot of work. I'd be content with CalClassic 1962 for now.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 10, 2024 21:39:53 GMT
Peter posted it during 2018 .... October 9th 2018 @ 08:57 to be precise .... although my referenced last communication with him (which is what might have put you off) has been far more recent ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) "CYRIAC's" response to this posting (dated May 4th 2024) is what's bumped this old thread up to this current time and there's "absolutely no harm in doing that" ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) .... provided people also note the dates/times associated with the content of whatever earlier postings they're replying to of course ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Only reason why I mention the latter is because issues can "potentially" arise concerning responses to old material and in relation to technical support (in particular) where people might query something earlier posted but which has long since been resolved .... as indeed once happened here during 2022. Not sure what AI Peter's using for the balance of what's evident within his screenshots .... though I could try'n find out when (if ever) I've time to do so ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Thought about adding AI to my own simulator too .... but "thinking about it" is as far as my idea ever progressed due to "TIME, FAMILY, BUSINESS", and "OTHER" influences. In my particular case I "thought" I'd focus upon the BRANIFF "GIRARD, CALDER, FLYING COLOURS", and "ULTRA" era liveries to constitute my own AI .... simply for the sake of "COLOUR" and even just as parked gate traffic. PC's are also "considerably more powerful" now than was ever the case some 20 years ago when a lot of the HJG offered models were first produced and to the extent I know of several people today whom use current HJG supplied UI models and textures "as AI traffic" and with very satisfactory results .... it seems. Doing such 20 years ago would inevitably result a Slide Show rather than a simulator with fluid AI motion though. I'm not advocating people should try'n do this (use HJG UI data as AI) .... but rather .... I'm merely saying, and on the basis of what I've seen, it seems such can be done .... "in moderation" .... and provided one's machine's composed of adequate resources in order to be able display and drive everything satisfactorily of course. Not everyone can do such though .... I know ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by Herman on May 11, 2024 11:28:32 GMT
Thank you all. Yes....I did read the procedure for installing HJG AI aircraft and it does seem fairly lengthy and involved at least for me....so I will stick with the 1962 AI traffic offered by calclassic website.
Herman
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Post by Nathan Ford - HJG on May 12, 2024 2:23:36 GMT
Yes, I’ve got a complete 1983 AI package on mine and that has taken me months and months to achieve, but I really love it, especially with Kai Tak 😉. I also use a program to check my AI for errors and keep finding silly mistakes I have made. The only changes I have been making to the schedules is to swap flights into Bahrain to make them go to Dubai as I love flying into that destination.
FS9 has become my retro only sim. I have been getting up to speed on the Diesel 10 ready for starting videos again and have flown Air New Zealand NZAA-PHNL-KKAX and back to PHNL at this stage and it’s fabulous seeing all of the DC-10’s, 747 SP and in LAX 727’s. Aloha, Braniff, Eastern etc.
Cheers, Nathan
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 12, 2024 11:16:29 GMT
Don't mean to intentionally hijack "CYRIAC's" thread per my following commentary/suggestions. All of HJG's simulations are "GOOD" (because of the effort we apply in order to try'n make'em so) .... and which means a degree of complexity is "UNAVOIDAVLE" in order to do achieve such, but, that complexity is also "FOR THE BETTER" too .... otherwise (and as I've stated many times previously) what this group offers (has imported and then subjected to our own editing) would otherwise be no different, nor any better, than the same products offered by anyone else considering some of what HJG currently offers is also available elsewhere too and in its original format. Having said this and earlier relating (within another thread) that our DC-10 simulations cater for both "simplistic" as well as "IN DEPTH/complex" preferences) there's no finer simulation offered by HJG (with the exception of Mario's AMD MECURE 100) than those for our DC-10's .... "THANKS" to George CARTY .... and also "THANKS" to the support provided by a group of retired ex-AIR NZ FE's, whom crewed the -10's for many years and who's valued input has made these simulations what they areIn FS one can fly anywhere one bloody-well wants to fly (of course) .... BUT HEY .... if you want to make it "really authentic" Nathan (in regard to AIR NZ DC-10 ops at least), then, try re-enacting AKL/HNL .... HNL/LAX ... LAX/MIA (as BA) .... then MIA/LON (as BA) .... then LON/YUL (as BA) .... and YUL/LAX (as BA) .... followed by LAX/HNL (as TE/NZ) .... then HNL/PPE/AKL (or RAR/AKL .... PPG/AKL .... NAN/AKL .... each serviced ex-HNL on different days of the week en route to AL ex-LAX) since that would then make such retro route re-enactments "TOTALLY AUTHENTIC". Our DC-8-52's operated the same routing .... both to, and from, LAX (only and but beyond) too. ![](https://i.imgur.com/eUmJWTa.jpg) Just a "SUGGESTION" .... only ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 12, 2024 23:59:28 GMT
A further digress .... extending the aforementioned DC-10 route re-enactment suggestion: Another very practical real world and historic Pacific routing re-enactment .... but for AIR NZ DC-8-52's .... is what was once affectionately known/commercially marketed as the airlines "Hibiscus Route" .... .... and which the DC-8's operated as follows .... AKL/NAN (Fiji) NAN/PPG (American Samoa) PPG/RAR (Cook Islands) RAR/PPE (Tahiti) PPE/AKL (Auckland) ![](https://i.imgur.com/S1TcAJq.jpg) The above rotations are much shorter sectors (for FS) than routing all the way across the Pacific to HNL and LAX. Per the following image it seems some non-aviation minded and non-FS-enthused folk evidently think we're nuts doing this .... ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) ![](https://i.redd.it/mi5hqswzxzc11.jpg) The above mentioned Hibiscus Route originated from the airlines "Coral Route", which was inaugurated by TEAL (forerunner of AIR NZ) during 1951 and operated by SHORTS SOLENT flying boats from AKL (Mechanics Bay) to NAN (Fiji/Lathuala Bay), APW (Western Samoa/Satapuala) AIT (Cook Islands/Aitutaki/Akiami), PPE (Tahiti/Pape'ete) and return to AKL. Unlike was the case with high-speed jet travel from the mid 60's (in the case of AIR NZ at least) this was a trip of some 5,000 miles that was operated as a fortnightly schedule and a over 2.5 day rotation. From 1960 (when TEAL's flying boats were withdrawn from service) this service was then operated DC-6's .... servicing NAN, PPG, and PPE only and from AKL (RAR never had jet capable ground facilities/an airport at this time and until the early 1970's so it was dropped completely). L-188C ELECTRA's began servicing this route from around 1967 operating via NAN, and PPG only and from AKL. Then DC-8-52's began operating this service from 1973 and into the early 1980's routed as related above and also from AKL .... although services to these destinations were by this time also additionally complemented by DC-10-30's operating southbound to AKL from both LAX and HNL. During the early 1980's (after the AIR NZ had disposed of its DC-10-30's and taken delivery of B747-200B's) these services were once again rebranded .... as the "Frangipani Route" .... and operated by B737-200 ADV's which serviced RAR, APW, and NAN only from AKL. Just as AI possibilities are almost limitless .... so are the possibilities for "historic route re-enactments" in FS too and which I (personally) find a lot more satisfying .... on those rare occasions I can actually get to use FS to fly for "my own enjoyment" though and rather than FS development which now accounts for more than 98% of my FS time-wasting ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by Nathan Ford - HJG on May 14, 2024 9:14:13 GMT
Hmmm, might have to look at the Hibiscus route too. The one I have been doing is TE 556/555 from the 1975 timetable… ![](http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/nz2/nz75/nz75-03.jpg) The same timetable has the Hibiscus as the Coral route… ![](http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/nz2/nz75/nz75-09.jpg) Was even thinking of doing NZAA/YSSY/VHHX but will have to practice my checkerboard approach 🫢😉 Cheers, Nathan Thank you airline timetable images.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on May 14, 2024 19:26:42 GMT
"BOTH" route marketing brands have been employed by the airline for its Pacific services. The "CORAL ROUTE" name was first used though and possibly most appropriately too given the airlines South Pacific islands services were operated by marine aircraft/flying boats from until 1960 .... ![](https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh5tpqfG7meSIyBFA4LVmDEfywwVPu3qYerMmohqqJPn-Lt08_ozmCCEcfpOjCtUI8wDEodi7q26U4XEaEbKrAlp_Gpre7SiYXy-2KP2Z3F2kNbt3wawCbhfG8OuHrP0BCbqOMq0BPFkFwP/s16000/blog-teal-coral-route_mg_6551-edit.1135.jpg) ![](https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhWHO28JWCl_xOQ85koWhtnfDu6le1bhjmTAJOMMNmAuf45RyKMvRJXxHDzLsoCGiDX9ZYebo8xofcW1AQ3PKK0Hxrn3OWzC6zUNVClCcpRomBDRKRT4tlDt2B0dA8_NL_GuYhUN1uINLzN/s640/1962+Empire+games+team+02+copy.jpg) ![](https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg7451AqpD7hH_FXcxTV6r5Vl9BO95XIix9-1r9qOM-ZpBf0CkRnUJAy7gLerRzo_q-l1rmU1VnmbRx1QRPg86cxzqIyxBhPlwuGvAukZlU7gwSZuyt22guk1IK3VG1_AKa88fLqSj9hWIP/s16000/Coral+Route.jpg) This branding continued for a time after the airlines introduction of land planes (DC-6, L-188C, and DC-8) and intro the 1970's .... until some "bright spark" decided upon the "HIBISCUS ROUTE" branding was more appropriate/effective strategy (as land planes have little in common with either coral or water ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) ) .... and which was again rebranded again as the "FRANGIPANI ROUTE" during the 1980's .... ![](https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhfHV-2e23bC9aQTY0JlrCYza1vg7R6jsYcf5GJEWp9VwLmEs2yCCmSvN5ddGn3ciFito_zA2RHHd-f_wevxsMB_2DQO9fivHWNdCSSxr7Twnqah3u7H9SfrHyYbme08nFuS2mgWcrnflMU/s1600/DC8+Brochure+.1.jpg) Pacific Hibiscus ![](https://t3.ftcdn.net/jpg/06/10/04/22/360_F_610042258_fpHIgj92TRBbw3zXCxlsqth0pq80DmMf.jpg) ![](https://www.plantsguru.com/image/cache/plant-packs/pg-hibiscus-red-800x800.jpg) Pacific Frangipani ![](https://t4.ftcdn.net/jpg/00/07/63/89/360_F_7638951_8xzVzwrkNKIzV5NsLHFP67pxzLo60ODz.jpg) ![](https://theclimbingfig.com.au/cdn/shop/products/FRAPLUH-2_600x.jpg?v=1550642295) Far better/more appealing marketing concepts (possibly) than inanimate coral .... and more-so given the proliferance and importance/cultuaral significance of both flower types within the South Pacific islands too ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Neither branding is used today .... or have been used since the 1990's so far as I'm aware. Times and marketing language/concepts have changed. Hibiscus flowers in particular were used to logo seat covers (company I ran for 40+ years secured the contract to logo these items for the airlines) and also decorate cabin service facilities until the late 70's/early 1980's .... DC-8 ERA ![](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/01/17/283415D800000578-3064117-image-a-133_1430496895925.jpg) DC-10 ERA ![](https://scontent.fakl2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/94888593_10158266987562618_8370550574508146688_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=ErwAb3K4_LEQ7kNvgF0Q68J&_nc_ht=scontent.fakl2-1.fna&oh=00_AYANSFo7PlN6bXr1ffs2Tj1ar4gAtm0mYIlNPgiMneDHnQ&oe=666B09FB) Period SKEDS for the Pacific and the airlines other routings until the 1980's .... 1950's TIME TABLE (Coral Route) ![](https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiw_R_TM_iJjLmudtI9cn38xzMaBVNplS4qxAWgbmnCEyqfGo00H0LjlBGU7gW67zNOwVXYe2cGC5OBz7INlBocgLv18OrVKHIIYO76Z2uQg2UO2ijZQfV22ZJKzRCKsLSkrKNf2ji_GuAf/s1600/13.JPG) ![](https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgYNO_MjadfGkYyqEHprl8zHFjpTkCuJTUK_FoTmVYXUcHN2voezGLFX24Jd2aSSOrKRDZ8Jka6JXTDcOcRZ7A6H7LNUu8R-iibt0WwTtMnDxJg2xujvDDgpjBbrGrKn1CP5Vb6YOnI5J6A/s1600/18.jpg) 1960's ROUTES ![](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/be/66/3a/be663a1af05ebb862b946076b4c916d2.jpg) 1970's ROUTES ![](https://live.staticflickr.com/5091/5408773779_5c464b9f10_b.jpg) 1980's ROUTES ![](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b6/c4/98/b6c498e7b977d787dbe18f77ff526273.jpg) Mark C AKL/NZ
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