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Post by walterleo on Sept 3, 2020 13:04:13 GMT
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 4, 2020 0:38:13 GMT
I get pissed-off with the way/manner in which a lot of aviation based, or featured, films portray air crew/pilots .... supported by either corny plots or equally shallow scripts, or both .... and which I, for one, simply can't stomach/enjoy. I just don't enjoy what I loosely term as being "silly talk and nonsense"  Call me "TOO SERIOUS" .... if you like  .... but the reality (for me at least) is I am "a very serious" person .... given that 41 years of civil aviation photography (which I still undertake incidentally) requiring my constantly working in close association with air crew, engineers, and another aviation departments/representatives/and professionals has transformed me into being None-the-less I'll probably be "forced to" sit through at least 1 screening of TG2 (when the time comes) .... but .... I likely won't enjoy it Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by walterleo on Sept 4, 2020 10:24:19 GMT
Hi Mark:
You are right: The plots of most aviation films are awful. "The Right Stuff", "Aviator" and "Apollo 13" are the rare exemptions.
Kind regards
Walter
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Post by darrenvox on Sept 4, 2020 15:09:48 GMT
my point is theres no more goose,iceman or anything...but im ok with it... i see no need to change names now...but anywats
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 4, 2020 18:50:51 GMT
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Post by Nathan Ford - HJG on Sept 5, 2020 0:33:38 GMT
What about Airplane/Flying High? 🤔
Nathan 😝😝😝
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 5, 2020 3:30:28 GMT
You've gotta be bloody joking   That one's really "scraping the bottom of the barrel Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by Nathan Ford - HJG on Sept 5, 2020 4:49:06 GMT
😂😂😂
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Post by George Carty - HJG on Sept 5, 2020 21:37:34 GMT
Hi Mark: You are right: The plots of most aviation films are awful. "The Right Stuff", "Aviator" and "Apollo 13" are the rare exemptions. Ever seen the old black-and-white film "Cone of Silence" with the "Atlas Aviation Phoenix" (really an Avro Ashton)? George |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 5, 2020 22:38:28 GMT
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Post by Falcon on Sept 6, 2020 17:32:06 GMT
Mark,
Thanks for posting A Piece Of Cake
I am watching it on my big screen tv.
Never seen it before, Battle of Britain was my favorite for many years. Remember flying to a city one hour away to see it when it came out.
Denny
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 6, 2020 20:40:28 GMT
"THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN" will probably long be remembered for it's "very strong" opening scene/s .... www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dUv5FcyNM0www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3daf346BUM.... in as much for it's mostly real world action flying sequences too (no such thing as CGI when this movie was made and there was limited use only limited use of models foe momentary scenes of destruction) .... www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3LRKegCdRIwww.youtube.com/watch?v=yXf1bhEEXd0www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCC1XShkL8QPity about the "MERLIN engined HE-111's though, but, these aircraft (still operational service within the Spanish Air Force around the time this move was made .... I believe) had all much earlier been re-engined. Although filmed during 1968/69 I feel this movie still stands up against, and exceeds IMHO, much of what's been produced since. I thought "A PIECE OF CAKE" was exceptional .... for those reasons I stated within my above posting. There's another side/story that's "equally worthy of mention"/deserves to be told too .... and that's the one about German fighter ace Franz STIGLER whom was active in North Africa, Italy, and on the home front over Germany during WW2 .... and whom was also an associate of fellow German fighter ace Rudolf GALLAND. STIGLER began his flying career at the age of 12 (on gliders), later becoming a flying instructor, and joined DUETCH LUFTHANSA during the early 1930's. Then like most others around the world, during this period, he was ultimately conscripted into WW2/the LUFTWAFFE. His first taste of combat was in North Africa .... where served under Hans-Joachim MARSEILLE who was also referred to as "The Star Of Afrika" .... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Joachim_MarseilleOne of the first impressions MARSEILLE made upon STIGLER was his following comment .... "If any man in zis flugstaffle shoots anuzza pilot in a parachute zen I vill personally shoot zat man mein-self"That honorary code probably laid the foundations of an equally high call made by STIGLER himself much later/near the end of the war when he confronted a severely damaged US B-17 commanded by US Army Air Corp pilot Charlie BROWN ....  Like any combat pilot during the war (be they British/Commonwealth, German, US, or Japanese) STIGLER was "technically obligated" to destroy the enemy, but, sensing the predicament of both the aircraft and its crew he/STIGLER (influenced by MARSELLE's call much earlier during the war .... and the date of this incident also coinciding with the anniversary of the death of his brother August STIGLER as the result of a JU-88 T/O accident), he/STIGLER couldn't bring himself to destroy the aircraft/B-17 .... despite the fact its destruction would have qualified him for "a decoration". Realizing it was highly likely the B-17 would fall victim to coastal defense gunnery he/STIGLER opted to escort the crippled aircraft out over the coast instead (he was actually trying to signal the American crew to proceed to neutral Sweden albeit they couldn't make sense of his gestures) ....    .... then saluting its crew .... he returned to base keeping his mouth shut about what happened for some 40-50 odd years. Had news of what he/STIGLER had done made the attention of those within the LUFTWAFFE hierarchy then he'd undoubtedly have been executed .... as a traitor to both his staffel and to Germany. This event, as well as STIGLER's very interesting WW2 career in the LUFTWAFFE, are all related within the following book by US aviation author/journalist Adam MAKOS ....  A fascinating and strongly recommended read.Here's a couple of videos relating to the event described above and both pilots being interviewed after their reunion 40-50 years afterward .... www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8EkmyoG83Qwww.youtube.com/watch?v=_lp9-cN_OogEven during the height of conflict acts of chivalry were displayed toward each other by some air crew on both sides ..... call it a code of honor/respect among pilots (even on opposing sides) that only aircrew themselves can ever fully appreciate/understand I mention the STIGLER/BROWN/"A HIGHER CALL" incident because around the time of this books release .... a few years ago .... there was talk of it being committed to a series similar to "A PIECE OF CAKE" .... and by the same production team. Nothing's eventuated yet though .... so far as I'm aware ... .but I believe the rights to such a production have been purchased. Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by walterleo on Sept 7, 2020 14:22:56 GMT
Hi friends: A sad history is connected to one of the last than surviving HE 111: aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=18545I visited the site of the crash, but only a simple stone remerbers the victims citing no names: The victims were Neill Williams an aerobatic pilot of great name, his wife Chief engineer of Aviation Technical Services, Joseph Donaghy [retired wartime RAF Pilot ] and Mr.Stephen Parnell. If the stone is located at the correct place only some meters had seperated them from passing over the mountain ridge safely. Kind regards Walter |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 7, 2020 19:00:23 GMT
That was the last airworthy/flying HE-111 .... I presume ? If so .... then I do remember the accident. I think the JU-52 which starred within the opening scenes of the BATTLE OF BRITAIN (or it may have been the WHERE EAGLES DARE movie .... I'm not certain) may have been the same aircraft which "PRANGED" in the Swiss Alps a couple of years ago too. A sad demise for WW2 classics .... and not forgetting the B-17 "PRANG" last year as well A couple examples less of these aircraft unfortunately ..... and which might otherwise have been leased/used in airborne scenes as props within prospective future movie/series productions Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by walterleo on Sept 7, 2020 19:33:38 GMT
Hi friends: Maybe it was really the last airworthy HE-111 (CASA built?). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Williams_(pilot)Neil Williams was also an acompolished aviation writer and his book "Aerobatics" came out in 1975 and had a second edition in 2003. Also one of this dammed CFIT accidents which happen even to the best pilots. The crash of the JU-52 HB-HOT happened also to two of higly experienced pilots (not only SWISS and SWISS-Airforce) who had flown similar flights many times before. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Ju-Air_Junkers_Ju_52_crashLets say: Sightseeing flights have their special risks more so done in vintage aircrafts even if very seasoned pilots are sitting up front. One will see, if the final report will be so harsh with the pilots as some leaked parts of the final report had done. Kind regards Walter |
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.... but the reality (for me at least) is I am "a very serious" person .... given that 41 years of civil aviation photography (which I still undertake incidentally) requiring my constantly working in close association with air crew, engineers, and another aviation departments/representatives/and professionals has transformed me into being 
