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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jul 27, 2021 21:04:31 GMT
You're certainly turning up some interesting stuff Erik.
Stuff even I didn't know about .... or that other people might have forgotten or been unaware of too.
Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by alex94 on Jul 28, 2021 0:56:50 GMT
Fantastic stuff there erik. There some quite nice vip liveried 111s too
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Post by Erik Ingram - HJG on Jul 28, 2021 20:12:09 GMT
Thanks guys! Despite its relatively small production run compared to planes like the DC-9, the BAC 111 did have a fairly successful run in the United States, so there were quite a few forgotten schemes over the years. These next four will go in the fantasy collection, though they all have some basis in reality. BAC actively marketed the One-Eleven in the United States from the outset, and achieved its first order from Western Airlines in short order, for ten aircraft. Western later cancelled the order, relying on its Boeing 707 and 720s for shorter jet routes until its first 737-200 was delivered in 1968. They were assigned the customer number of 2AD by BAC, so here's BAC 111-202AD N1103W as it might have looked around 1966 had it been introduced as planned: Bonanza Air Lines of Las Vegas also placed an order for three aircraft in October 1962, but ran into issues with the Civil Aeronautics Board. In a move to protect the US-built DC-9 which was in development, they refused to guarantee the loans Bonanza would have needed to buy the planes, so they were also neither built nor delivered. Line numbers 36-38 were allotted for these planes (to be designated BAC 111-206AHs), which were left unbuilt after the cancellation. Here's how N203L likely would have looked upon delivery, also circa 1966: Frontier Airlines of Denver and Ozark Air Lines of St. Louis also signed Letters of Intent to purchase One-Elevens (six and five, respectively), however these also failed to materialize as a result of pressure from the CAB. Operating as local-service carriers in sparsely-populated areas of the midwest and western US, both airlines relied on subsidies for a number of their routes to ensure their profitability, and the CAB threatened to cancel said subsidies if the airlines operated One-Elevens on them. Mohawk was actually given a similar ultimatum, but concluded that they could profitably operate the planes without the need for subsidies. As American and Braniff had larger, nationwide networks, this was a non-issue for them, and between them they acquired 44 One-Elevens that went on to serve long careers with many other airlines. Here are the Frontier and Ozark birds as imagined in the period colors of each carrier: Frontier N1105F, 1966: Ozark N163Z, 1966: In the cases of Ozark and Bonanza, the CAB's actions worked, and they went on to operate sizable DC-9 fleets. Western and Frontier acquired slightly larger 727s and 737s, but it's interesting to see what might have been!
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jul 28, 2021 20:27:04 GMT
Despite my never being "a fiction fan" .... each of these "DID" put a grin on my face. As Erik said .... the ONE-ELEVEN was market in the USA, and with some success too (although AA's CR.SMITH did, in his memoirs comment .... "the only mistakes I made at AA were in regard to the BAC ONE-ELEVEN and CV-990". "THESE" 4 might well have eventuated had not "other influences" payed a deciding and pivotal role in favor of he B737-200 and DC-9. "WELL DONE" Erik Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by Erik Ingram - HJG on Jul 31, 2021 21:52:23 GMT
Back to the real world, here's BAC 111-401AK N218CA of Cascade Airways, circa 1985. As the name suggests, Cascade was a regional airline operating in the US Pacific Northwest, existing from 1969 to 1986. They acquired five One-Elevens in mid-1984, and they were used as an attempt at expansion, and the only jets flown by them. The airline faced stiff competition from the larger, better-funded Horizon Air, and even sought assistance from them in 1985. This did not materialize, and Cascade ceased operations in early 1986. Meanwhile, Horizon managed to secure backing from Alaska Airlines later that year, and continues as their wholly-owned regional subsidiary. Cascade's One-Elevens had an oddly-hand-painted appearance to them, most evident on the titles, which I've tried to replicate here.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jul 31, 2021 22:39:47 GMT
Another nice and "historic" US addition Erik in respect of these non-US-built aircraft .... and as such it's good to see new life being breathed into DM's ONE-ELEVEN's Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by alex94 on Jul 31, 2021 23:40:21 GMT
If you find the time erik, would you mind adding the Australian force to the list of liveries for the 111 please? But only if you get time to of course
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Aug 1, 2021 0:00:40 GMT
He means "one of these little suckers" .... We Kiwi's (and Yankee's) are way ahead of you "Austraaaaaaaaaaaaaalyan's" Alex It's "a reformatted/upgraded version" of a texture originally produced by one of HJG's past "Associate Members". Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by alex94 on Aug 1, 2021 0:06:26 GMT
Awesome!
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Post by Erik Ingram - HJG on Aug 3, 2021 23:05:51 GMT
This one should complete the Mohawk/Allegheny/USAir fleet, barring any other obscure variations out there. This is N1129J of USAir circa 1987, in the final bare-metal-based "Shades of Rust" scheme. By this time, the remaining One-Elevens had been outfitted with hush kits to ensure their compliance with updated noise rules. It lasted in USAir service until 1989, when it was sold to McDonnell Douglas's leasing arm.
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Post by darrenvox on Aug 6, 2021 14:38:28 GMT
ooh nice stuff
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Post by Erik Ingram - HJG on Aug 18, 2021 22:06:26 GMT
Thank you! When it doubt, stretch it out, as they say...so here's the first of some forthcoming BAC One-Eleven 500s! Germanair was a German carrier that flew primarily vacation charter flights between 1964 and 1977. That year it merged with Bavaria Fluggesellschaft, a similar company that also handled some domestic shuttle routes. Adopting the name Bavaria Germanair, the company was then taken over by Hapag-Lloyd in 1979. Here's BAC 111-524FF D-AMAT circa 1975. After the merger, a new logo was introduced and the new titles were added, but the basic livery was unchanged. Here's D-AMOR seen around 1977.
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Post by Andre William dos Santos on Aug 19, 2021 19:09:00 GMT
Thank you! When it doubt, stretch it out, as they say...so here's the first of some forthcoming BAC One-Eleven 500s! Germanair was a German carrier that flew primarily vacation charter flights between 1964 and 1977. That year it merged with Bavaria Fluggesellschaft, a similar company that also handled some domestic shuttle routes. Adopting the name Bavaria Germanair, the company was then taken over by Hapag-Lloyd in 1979. Here's BAC 111-524FF D-AMAT circa 1975. After the merger, a new logo was introduced and the new titles were added, but the basic livery was unchanged. Here's D-AMOR seen around 1977. September 7th is coming, this date is Brazil's independence day, you have some goodies for Brazilian friends?? , the brazucas will be very crazy and happy when hes sees the photo of VASP, SADIA,TRANSBRASIL BAC 1-11, you already have a preview photo of BAC 1-11 ? ?
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Aug 19, 2021 23:16:58 GMT
"ANDRES WILLIAM DO SANTOS" .... for the 2nd time within the past several days .... tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/thread/9982/turkey-dc-10?page=1&scrollTo=69807It's "NOT" necessary to copy & paste previously presented imagery within your reply postings (unless referring to "a specific statement" associated with what's earlier been presented) .... and more-so considering nothing within what you've replied above relates to the imagery you've duplicated. Doing so tends to make for unnecessarily repetitive and boring reading for everyone else Não é necessário copiar e colar dados que foram apresentados anteriormente ... a menos que você esteja se referindo a "uma declaração específica" dentro deles. Fazer isso torna a leitura desnecessariamente repetitiva e entediante para todos os outros I did earlier inform you (privately) that SADIA, TRANSBRASIL, and VASP BAC ONE-ELEVEN liveries "have been prepared for release here". However these won't be previewed (if at all .... since we don't preview everything we produce) or released .... "until time permits our being able to do so". In fact these other subjects won't/can't happen this month or during September either. Interest and anticipation "IS APPRECIATED BY US" .... of course .... BUT .... we ask people also appreciate this group is "INCREDIBLY BUSY" behind the scenes in regard to what's planned among its next and future releases. Understand please .... there's only "so much" we can do at any one particular point of time MRC
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Post by Erik Ingram - HJG on Aug 20, 2021 18:26:46 GMT
The BAC 111 was Lauda Air's first jet type; they leased two of them from TAROM for about a year from 1984 to '85 (these were British-built aircraft, rather than the Romanian-built ones TAROM acquired in the early 1980s). They were short-lived in this capacity, and were replaced by 737-200s as the airline expanded. Here's OE-ILD as seen around March 1985:
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