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Post by garyrr on Feb 15, 2021 16:39:14 GMT
I just installed B707-320 in my FSX-SE. Everything seemed correct until I thumbed the hat button on my yoke. No up,back,side, or lateral views. Just invisible airframe. I did choose the FSX panel cfg. I saw the bitmaps for those views and the entries in the .cfg. What could be wrong?
I use a CH Yoke.
Also, haven't used 2d much since FS2000.
Thanks for any help.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Feb 15, 2021 18:14:06 GMT
As stated within our B707 and C-135 manuals .... With the exception of the OH, FE, CP, AP, and WX sub panel views .... the lateral views (that's the Forward Left, Left, Left Rear, Rear, and both Forward Right and Right "interior panel/flight deck related combings/views" only within each of our B707 panels .... and also within those for our B727, DC-8, and L-1011 panels too) "can't" work in FSX. As is evidenced within the following 2 engine startup tutorials "made in FSX" you should be seeing the principle OH, FE, and CP sub panels without any problems at all though .... using the "sub panel selection icons" located on both the CAPT and FO Main Panels and also located on each of these 3 principle sub panel views.www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTFP3s16Mrcwww.youtube.com/watch?v=062yK9nppZAThe principle sub panels can't work via control yoke or customary keyboard dictated commands though .... the panel located sub panel selection icons must always be used. Confirm you're seeing the OH, FE, CP, AP and WX sub panels .... again using the "sub panel selection icons" located on both Main and each of the principle sub panel views.Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Feb 16, 2021 0:13:12 GMT
Just an additional comment/clarification ....
The FS2004 PANEL.CFG files "do" contain interior panel view orientations in conjunction with the 2D interior FD lateral views featured in these B707 panels .... BUT .... the FSX version PANEL. CFG files "do not" for the simple reason that these same 2D interior FD panel lateral views "cannot" work in FSX.
In addition to both the CAPT and FO Main Panel views in these B707 panels .... only the OH, FE, combined CP/WX RADAR and/or INS, and AP sub panels are usable "in FSX" .... and which, once again, are only selectable using either the Main Panel and Sub Panel selection icons, but, "not" via keyboard commands or controller device hat switch manipulated view axis shifting.
That's how these panel are programmed and are "intended" to work.
What's been outlined herein is the only functional difference/s in these panels between both FS2004 and FSX.
Everything else functions "precisely the same way" in both FS versions.
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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Post by garyrr on Feb 21, 2021 14:20:58 GMT
Okay. I understand for the aircraft you mentioned.
What of the DC-10.
I currently have Thomas Ruth's DC-10 and even though it's very fsx friendly the taxi handling is atrocious. Does the hjg DC-10 have interior views?
I think Civa could be adapted.
Thanks
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Feb 21, 2021 16:54:41 GMT
Similar applies also in regard to the DC-10 panels we offer too. In that with the exception of both the CAPT and FO MAIN PANELS and OH, FE, CP, AP, and WX related sub panel views interior FD/combing views can't work in FSX .... but in this particular case this's by virtue of the fact of that such lateral views (again that's the Forward Left, Left, Left Rear, Rear, and both Forward Right and Right "interior panel/flight deck related combings/views) have never formed a part of the original versions of these panels. DC-10 (type) FD/interior combing views may be procurable from some of the other major FS websites .... BUT .... there's nothing "that meets our satisfaction" (key words) that we, at the time of compiling what we offer, considered sufficiently suitable in order to prompt our seeking authorization to employ as part of what we offer .... and MD-11 (type) lateral views, whilst similar, don't really fit the bill in regard to some angles of view .... at least not in regard to the manner in which we prefer to represent what we offer given I (personally) became quite familiar with R/W DC-10 FD's during the 1980's and 90's. The Thomas RUTH DC-10 3D models originated from the very same source as those offered by HJG, but, are "FSX native only". Using the source code we were provided .... and which was discovered to be "incomplete" anyway .... the 3D DC-10 models we offer were worked-on in regard to some of their engine related details .... "in so far as this was possible to achieve". The end result is that the models we offer (and their supporting FDE which we compiled) are "FS2004 native" but also "FSX portable" too .... the latter being without any known issues as is evidenced per each of Benoit's following FSX based video productions .... www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaAZzl0qmeg www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOGq-F7T_dYwww.youtube.com/watch?v=jUUWIalbIyIwww.youtube.com/watch?v=HF8x5mQDP0sBeyond these comments we can't, and won't, advise in regard to the Thomas RUTH DC-10's .... its' simply not our business to do so  Each of the DC-10 panels we offer are "both FS2004 an FSX compatible" .... having been engineered so from the beginning. It's not necessary to include the CIVA INS .... given the panels we offer already feature "our own INS" .... and which works almost identically to the CIVA version anyway and as per our following 2 INS tutorial videos .... INS Tutorial (manual)tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/thread/9801/ins-tutorialINS Tutorial (video)tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/thread/8957/ins-tutorialIn any case it would likely not be practical to incorporate the CIVA INS into the DC-10 panels we offer and "without causing some major functionality issues in regard to other aspects of the panel programming we offer". HJG does not provide support for the CIVA INS .... and can't/won't provide technical assistance in cases where what we offer is been modified with non-HJG offered alternative components. Beyond all this may I suggest you take time tp familiarize yourself with our forum based DC-10 manual. All that needs to be known/understood in order to appreciate and be able to get the very best out of the DC-10 simulations we offer is presented in-depth within our following-linked manual .... DC-10 MANUALtonymadgehjg.proboards.com/thread/9147/dc10-panel-installation-handling-notesMark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Feb 21, 2021 23:39:56 GMT
Further to your query concerning DC-10 panel/s interior FD views .... and my corresponding reply. In liew of interior FD views .... and as is also referenced within our above-linked DC-10 manual .... each of the DC-10's we offer feature the following "WV's" from both (what would normally be) Left and Right interior FD/panel views .... LEFT REAR PANEL VIEW/AXIS  RIGHT REAR PANEL VIEW/AXIS  PLEASE NOTE: The above WV's are "incorporated into each 3D model" rather than being generated by other means .... and my understanding is these all work in both FS2004 and FSX .... they're certainly "FS2004 functional" at least. In addition to the above .... the RARE PANEL VIEW/AXIS displays yet another WV featuring a portion of both wings including pylons and engine nacelles with rotating fans (no images available) .... and which, so far as I'm aware, are also both FS2004 and FSX functional. Upon selecting VC panel mode (these simulations aren't VC featured, but, this mode can still be selected) I believe one's also then exposed to the very same WV's "as illustrated above". Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by Nathan Ford - HJG on Feb 22, 2021 7:39:32 GMT
Hi Gary,
When FSX renders the 2d panels, it will only ever display the main 2d forward display. To get side or angle views, the aircraft model needs to be built with a virtual 3D cockpit. Unlike FS2004, FSX will not display 2d side views included with the panel.This is hard wired into FSX.
As none of the HJG hosted aircraft include virtual cockpits you won’t be able to get any views except the main 2d forward view.
Just quickly too, there is no need for the CIVA ins as most of the aircraft have the fabulously crafted HJG one with about the only difference being that the HJG one doesn’t require DME updating.
Hope this helps answer your questions ☺️
Cheers,
Nathan
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Feb 22, 2021 10:42:21 GMT
In respect of what HJG hosts .... the only exception to the above statement is Mario NORIEGA's (not HJG's) MERCURE 100 simulation .... the separate FS2004 and FSX native/customized versions of which do both feature VC's as well as 2D panels with VC type side views  Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by Nathan Ford - HJG on Feb 22, 2021 13:55:43 GMT
D’oh 😖
Yes, totally forgot about the Mercure 100 🤪🤪🤪
Nathan
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Feb 22, 2021 19:51:19 GMT
The FS FRANCE (again not HJG's) CONCORDE simulation also hosted by HJG features a VC too .... BUT .... it's "FS2004" compatible only.In regard to its VC though .... this CORCORDE simulation represents VC development "at its earliest stage in FS" ....    Other than acknowledging the above fact it's still "quite acceptable and perfectly functional" .... despite its age and "FS2004 ONLY" limitation. This was the "very first" VC related simulation HJG offered. The 2D CONCORDE panel we offer "IS NOT" the FS FRANCE panel for this simulation though. I do have the intended panel (which in appearance, and possibly performance too, is by far superior to the 2D panel we currently offer), but, using the data we inherited I could never get it to display/work correctly  This simulation flies quite well too .... "provided it's flown correctly to start with"/once one understands/appreciates how differently CONCORDE is flown in comparison with sub-sonic aircraft types. Mark C AKL/NZ |
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