707 installation

[ssp]

I installed all files per instructions however the aircraft does not show up in the aircraft listing with all of the other aircraft. PLease adfvise why?

[Dan K. Hansen]

Because you haven't installed it per instructions ;-) Simple as that.

[ssp]

let me be more specific. The files appear to be correct. Again, why would FXF not recognize the aircraft in sim/objects. IT is listed with the other aircraft and the aircraft cfg. appears to be correct. Thank you.

[Dan K. Hansen]

Well, either the panel.cfg or the aircraft.cfg are wrong, the aliases are wrong the titles are wrong. Up until now if you are missing gauges etc. that wouldn't have any influence, but if the config files are wrong, you'll get a no-show.... read the instructions again, and take note of every small detail. There is a link to a pdf files you can print out for you own off-line studying as well.

See the thread: here

The link to the PDF is at the bottom of the thread.

[ssp]

I have reinstalled 6 times following all instructions. I assure you it is correct. For some unknown reason the aircraft selection menu does not pick it up. I installed all of the propliners without a problem! I checked the aircraft cfg. with others and it also looks the same. The aircraft I have been attempting to install is the american airlines b707-120b.1965. I have been using [fltsim.0] as this is the first hjg aircraft I am trying to install.

[ssp]

I am also using Windows Vista Premium. I do not know if that is also my problem..

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

Personally .... I prefer installing everything "MANUALLY" .... i.e. unzipping all the required files into a temporary folder then dragging and dropping everything to where it's got to go within the FS structure

I've heard of many instances where files end up not going where they should when using any other method of installation and with WINDOWS VISTA OS in p :(articular .... which "may" account for your problem in this case

Other than this please check each of the following ....

1. Make sure the B707-120B Aircraft Base Pack you've installed inside the FSX "AIRCRAFT" folder is indeed the file named precisely as follows ....

HJG Boeing 707-120B v6

Note the absence of underscores in the above example .... I want to be sure you haven't inadvertently got a valid folder still retained inside a containing folder from the ZIP file which would then render FS incapable of recognizing and displaying your B707-120B Aircraft Base Pack and AA Texture.

2. Make sure you AA texture for this aircraft isn't also inadvertently still retained within another containing folder from its ZIP file.

3. Make sure the texture file name agrees absolutely with the TEXTURE= data entry on your AIRCRAFT.CFG file.

4. Using this aircraft model and texture in FSX make sure you've applied all the required edits to the CFG file named ....

aircraft_fsx

You'll then need to dump (or rename) the default AIRCRAFT.CFG file (named "Aircraft" .... which is for Fs2004 by default) .... then rename the "AIRCRAFT_FSX" CFG file as follows ....

AIRCRAFT

5. Make sure the SIM= data on your AIRCRAFT.CFG file reads as follows ....

sim=B707-120B

6. Make sure the MODEL= data on your AIRCRAFT.CFG file reads as follows ....

model=11

There should be 3 models inside your B707-120B Aicraft Base Pack each of which are named as follows ....

model.08
model.10
model.11

"IF" .... you've done all the above correctly then there's no logical reason for everything not to display correctly within FS.

Failing that then your problem is likely to be caused by a very minor error with your editing of the CFG file for this aircraft/texture combination.

The slightest error/misconfiguration "WILL" cause aircraft not to be recognized by FS .... and result in its not appearing within the FS Aircraft Selection Menu.

I hope this helps !

Mark C
BOG/CO

[ssp]

Maybe what I am getting confused with is where the base pack files are unziped. IN fx there is "aircraft" and then there are airplanes in "sim-objects" In my other downloads all work is done in "sim-objects". Please explain. Thank you

[Dan K. Hansen]

It is very thoroughly explained in the tutorial I mentioned before.... I'm sure you haven't followed it to the point. Otherwise you would have no troubles what-so-ever with the install. I followed it myself during the writing, and I've done it the same way hundreds of times. So I can assure you that you haven-t read it or done it correctly....

[ssp]

Well Dan. Just to let you know I installed it exactly as written. Config/texture files look exactly as other aircraft installed. There must be something other then the installation blocking the aircraft in my system. (MS Vista-Premium with with FSX SP1). I DO KNOW I HAVE IT INSTALLED CORRECTLY!

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

I DO KNOW I HAVE IT INSTALLED CORRECTLY!

Well .... obviously you haven't my friend .... or the aircraft would be displaying fine in FS .... and we wouldn't be having this conversation !

Maybe there's something about the instructions that you're misinterprteting .... and doing incorrectly as a result .... I don't know .... but .... as far as I'm aware there's nothing at all wrong with any of those B707-120B (or any other HJG) files !

Please understand .... there's a limit to how far we can go and how successfully we can perform trying to troubleshoot via a forum like this .... and short of actualy doing a house call, but, I believe both Dan, and myself, have given it our best shot for you so far:)

We're quite happy (and available) to do a house call for you .... if you wish .... and in order to nail whatever the problem may be in this case .... so long as you pay either mine or Dan's airfare and provide accomodation and meals too ! ;D

There's just 1 last troubleshooting shot up our sleeve that we can try via a forum like this in order to help you ....

As a las resort .... I want you to "copy & paste" below your AIRCRAFT.CFG file as it currently appears for this aircraft .... and .... with this I also want you to post a screenshot showing the contents of your B707-120B aircraft container/base pack as they currently appear .... OK !

Mark C
Bogota DC
Republica de Colombia

[ssp]

[fltsim.0]
title=HJG B707-123B American Airlines 'Astrojet' (1965)
sim=B707-120B
model=11
panel=
sound=
texture=american_airlines_b707-123b_n7512a_1965
kb_checklists=
kb_reference=
visual_damage=1
description=HJG Boeing 707-120B. Repaint By Ben Hartmann Of HJG. Copyright HJG 2008.
ui_manufacturer=Boeing
ui_type=707-120B
ui_variation=American Airlines (1965)
ui_typerole"commercial Airliner"
ui_createdby="Historic Jetliners Group"
atc_id=N7512A
atc_airline=American
atc_flight_number=707
atc_heavy=0
atc_parking_codes=AAL
atc_parking_types=GATE,CARGO,RAMP




[General]
performance=Length: 144.5 ft\nWing span: 130.8 ft\nMGTOW: 258,000 lbs.\nPower: (4) P&W JT3D-3B@ 18,000 lbs ea\nPassengers: 121 Range: 4,260 nm\nOriginal Design: Gary Carlson\nMaster Textures and Paint: Yannick Charland\n
atc_type=BOEING AIRCRAFT
atc_model=B701

[WEIGHT_AND_BALANCE]
reference_datum_position = 0.0000, 0.0000, 0.0000 // (feet) distance from FlightSim Reference position: (1/4 chord, centerline, waterline)
empty_weight_CG_position=10.000, 0.000, 0.000
max_number_of_stations = 50
station_load.0 = "170.0, 59.0, -1.5, 0.0, Pilot"
station_load.1 = "170.0, 59.0, 1.5, 0.0, Co-Pilot"
station_load.2 = "170.0, 55.0, 1.5, 0.0, Engineer"
station_load.3 = "20.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, Crew"
station_load.4 = "20.0, 46.0, 0.0, 0.0, Fwd Galley A"
station_load.5 = "510.0, 40.0, 0.0, 0.0, Fwd Galley B"
station_load.6 = "1360.0, 29.5, 0.0, 0.0, First Class 1-8"
station_load.7 = "6120.0, 2.0, 0.0, 0.0, Coach 9-15"
station_load.8 = "10200.0, -24.5, 0.0, 0.0, Coach 16-26"
station_load.9 = "35.0, -39.0, 0.0, 0.0, Aft Galley A"
station_load.10= "30.0, -45.5, 0.0, 0.0, Aft Galley B"
station_load.11= "10000.0, 30.5, 0.0, 0.0, Forward Baggage"
station_load.12= "4000.0, -25.5, 0.0, 0.0, Aft Baggage"
empty_weight=118500.000
empty_weight_roll_MOI=7837897.000
empty_weight_pitch_MOI=15313596.000
empty_weight_yaw_MOI=14379742.000
empty_weight_coupled_MOI=1300.000
max_gross_weight=258000.797
CG_forward_limit=0.000
CG_aft_limit=1.000

[fuel]
LeftMain=0.000, -57.575, -9.056, 434.000, 0.000 //#1 Reserve
LeftAux=0.000, -40.600, -7.306, 2062.000, 0.000 //#1 Main
Center2=0.000, -19.250, -4.681, 2275.000, 0.000 //#2 Main
Center1=0.000, 0.000, -2.691, 7306.000, 0.000 //Ctr Wing
Center3=0.000, 19.250, -4.681, 2275.000, 0.000 //#3 Main
RightAux=0.000, 40.600, -7.306, 2062.000, 0.000 //#4 Main
RightMain=0.000, 57.575, -9.056, 434.000, 0.000 //#4 Reserve
fuel_type=2.000000
number_of_tank_selectors=1
electric_pump=0

[airplane_geometry]
wing_area=2433.000
wing_span=130.75
wing_root_chord=20.667
wing_dihedral=6.998
wing_incidence=1.000
wing_twist=-0.500
oswald_efficiency_factor=0.75
wing_winglets_flag=0
wing_sweep=35.000
wing_pos_apex_lon=31.000
wing_pos_apex_vert=0.000
htail_area=776.000
htail_span=45.750
htail_pos_lon=-76.917
htail_pos_vert=0.000
htail_incidence=0.000
htail_sweep=35.000
vtail_area=430.000
vtail_span=23.643
vtail_sweep=25.000
vtail_pos_lon=-70.250
vtail_pos_vert=5.833
elevator_area=194.000
aileron_area=120.600
rudder_area=73.100
elevator_up_limit=15
elevator_down_limit=10
aileron_up_limit=19.481
aileron_down_limit=14.897
rudder_limit=23.491
elevator_trim_limit=15.481
spoiler_limit=60.000
spoilerons_available=1
aileron_to_spoileron_gain=2.000
min_ailerons_for_spoilerons=5.000
min_flaps_for_spoilerons=0.000

[contact_points]
//landing gear
point.0=1.000, 48.750, 0.000, -4.400, 1874.803, 0.000, 2.136, 55.640, 0.897, 0.800, 0.500, 5.000, 6.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000
point.1=1.000, -3.083, -10.917, -6.400, 1874.803, 1.000, 3.536, 0.000, 1.500, 0.800, 0.580, 8.200, 9.200, 2.000, 275.000, 300.000
point.2=1.000, -3.083, 10.917, -6.400, 1874.803, 2.000, 3.536, 0.000, 1.500, 0.800, 0.580, 8.000, 9.000, 3.000, 275.000, 300.000

//scrape
point.3=2.000, -27.750, -65.833, 9.833, 1574.803, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 6.000, 0.000, 0.000
point.4=2.000, -27.750, 65.833, 9.833, 1574.803, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 6.000, 0.000, 0.000
point.5=2.000, -54.250, 0.000, 5.167, 1574.803, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 9.000, 0.000, 0.000
point.6=2.000, 65.167, 0.000, 4.500, 1574.803, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 4.000, 0.000, 0.000
point.7=5.000, 12.167, 47.957, 7.642, 1600, 0, 0.00, 50.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.00, 1.0, 1.2, 0, 0.0, 0.0
point.8=5.000, 12.167, -47.957, 7.642, 1600, 0, 0.00, 50.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.00, 1.1, 1.4, 0, 0.0, 0.0

//CoG
static_pitch = -0.9 //degrees (pitch when loaded on ground)
static_cg_height=4.443 //feet, altitude of CG when at rest on the ground
gear_system_type=0

[GeneralEngineData]
engine_type=1
Engine.0=-17.417, -46.500, -2.917
Engine.1=-1.917, -28.083, -3.833
Engine.2=-1.917, 28.083, -3.833
Engine.3=-17.417, 46.500, -2.917
fuel_flow_scalar=1.06
min_throttle_limit=-0.139954

[TurbineEngineData]
fuel_flow_gain=0.002
inlet_area=16.000
rated_N2_rpm=29920.000
static_thrust=18000.000
afterburner_available=0
reverser_available=1

[Reference Speeds]
flaps_up_stall_speed=160.000
full_flaps_stall_speed=128.000
cruise_speed=496.545
max_indicated_speed=370.6563
max_mach=0.889000

[LIGHTS]
//Types: 1=beacon, 2=strobe, 3=navigation, 4=cockpit, 5=landing
light.0=1, 2.939, 0, 0, fx_beaconb ,
light.1=1, 14.139, 0, 14.139, fx_beaconb ,
light.2=3, -24.988, -65.367, 9.947, fx_navredm ,
light.3=3, -24.988, 65.367, 9.947, fx_navgrem ,
light.4=3, -70.025, 0, 11.381, fx_navwhi ,
light.5=4, 49.900, 0, 11.200, fx_vclighth ,
light.6=4, 61.900, 0, 8.600, fx_vclighth ,
light.7=4, 31.300, 0, 5.400, fx_vclighth ,

[keyboard_response]
elevator=150.000000,250.000000
aileron=150.000000,250.000000
rudder=150.000000,250.000000

[tailhook]
tailhook_length=4 ;(feet)
tailhook_position=-15.0, 0.0, -1.0 ;(feet) longitudinal, lateral, vertical
cable_force_adjust=1.0

[exits]
number_of_exits=2
exit_rate.0=0.4 ;Percent per second
exit_rate.1=0.2 ;Percent per second

[Views]
eyepoint=56.402251,-1.563525,9.739993

[autopilot]
use_no_default_pitch=1
autopilot_available=1
flight_director_available=1
default_vertical_speed=1800.000000
autothrottle_available=0
autothrottle_arming_required=0
autothrottle_takeoff_ga=0
autothrottle_max_rpm=90.000000
pitch_takeoff_ga=8.000000
default_pitch_mode=0
use_no_default_pitch = 1
use_no_default_bank = 1
default_pitch_mode =0
default_bank_mode =0
max_pitch=10.000000
max_pitch_acceleration=1.000000
max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt=2.000000
max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt=1.500000
max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt_breakpoint=20000.000000
max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt_breakpoint=28000.000000
max_bank=25.000000
max_bank_acceleration=1.800000
max_bank_velocity=3.000000
max_throttle_rate=0.100000
nav_proportional_control=9.000000
nav_integrator_control=0.250000
nav_derivative_control=0.000000
nav_integrator_boundary=2.500000
nav_derivative_boundary=0.000000
gs_proportional_control=9.520000
gs_integrator_control=0.260000
gs_derivative_control=0.000000
gs_integrator_boundary=0.700000
gs_derivative_boundary=0.000000
yaw_damper_gain=1.000000

[direction_indicators]
direction_indicator.0=3,0

[SMOKESYSTEM]
smoke.0=-19.95, 46.55, 3, fx_hjg_b707
smoke.1=-5.075, 26.60, 1, fx_hjg_b707
smoke.2=-5.075, -26.60, 1, fx_hjg_b707
smoke.3=-19.95, -46.55, 3, fx_hjg_b707

[Flaps.0]
type=1
span-outboard=0.500
extending-time=11.000
system_type=0
damaging-speed=250.000
blowout-speed=300.000
lift_scalar=0.000
drag_scalar=0.000
pitch_scalar=1.000
flaps-position.0=0.000, 0.000
flaps-position.1=20.000, 0.000
flaps-position.2=30.000, 0.000
flaps-position.3=40.000, 0.000
flaps-position.4=50.000, 0.000

[Flaps.1]
type=1
span-outboard=0.500
extending-time=11.000
system_type=0
damaging-speed=250.000
blowout-speed=300.000
lift_scalar=0.500
drag_scalar=0.000
pitch_scalar=-0.400
flaps-position.0=0.000, 0.000
flaps-position.1=34.300, 0.000
flaps-position.2=44.500, 0.000
flaps-position.3=47.200, 0.000
flaps-position.4=50.000, 0.000

[Flaps.2]
type=1
span-outboard=0.500
extending-time=11.000
system_type=0
damaging-speed=250.000
blowout-speed=300.000
lift_scalar=0.000
drag_scalar=1.000
pitch_scalar=0.000
flaps-position.0=0.000, 0.000
flaps-position.1=5.000, 0.000
flaps-position.2=10.000, 0.000
flaps-position.3=30.000, 0.000
flaps-position.4=50.000, 0.000

[brakes]
toe_brakes_scale=1.000031
parking_brake=1

[gear_warning_system]
gear_warning_available=1
pct_throttle_limit=0.099976
flap_limit_power=35.00000
flap_limit_idle=12.00000

[hydraulic_system]
normal_pressure = 3000.0 //PSI
electric_pumps = 1 //electric pumps installed
engine_map = 1,1,1,1 //pumps on Eng1,2,3,4

[stall_warning]
type=1

[attitude_indicators]
attitude_indicator.0=1

[turn_indicators]
turn_indicator.0=1,0

[flight_tuning]
cruise_lift_scalar = 1.0
parasite_drag_scalar = 1.0
induced_drag_scalar = 1.0
elevator_effectiveness = 1.0
aileron_effectiveness = 1.0
rudder_effectiveness = 1.0
pitch_stability = 1.0
roll_stability = 1.0
yaw_stability = 1.0
elevator_trim_effectiveness = 1.0
aileron_trim_effectiveness = 1.0
rudder_trim_effectiveness = 1.0

[forcefeedback]
gear_bump_nose_magnitude=3000 ; 0 - 10000
gear_bump_nose_direction=18000 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
gear_bump_nose_duration=250000 ; in microseconds
gear_bump_left_magnitude=2700 ; 0 - 10000
gear_bump_left_direction=35500 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
gear_bump_left_duration=250000 ; in microseconds
gear_bump_right_magnitude=2700 ; 0 - 10000
gear_bump_right_direction=00500 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
gear_bump_right_duration=250000 ; in microseconds
ground_bumps_magnitude1=1300 ; 0 - 10000
ground_bumps_angle1=08900 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
ground_bumps_intercept1=3.0
ground_bumps_slope1=0.20
ground_bumps_magnitude2=200 ; 0 - 10000
ground_bumps_angle2=09100 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
ground_bumps_intercept2=1.075
ground_bumps_slope2=0.035
crash_magnitude1=10000 ; 0 - 10000
crash_direction1=01000 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
crash_magnitude2=10000 ; 0 - 10000

[Radios]
Audio.1 = 1, 0
Com.1 = 1, 0
Com.2 = 1, 0
Nav.1 = 1, 0, 1
Nav.2 = 1, 0, 0
Adf.1 = 1
Adf.2 = 1
Transponder.1 = 1
Marker.1 = 1

[ssp]

Above is a copy of my aircraft cfg file. I am not sure how to add screen shot to a message board. I do thank you for your help.

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

OK .... so far as I can determine from wat you've posted above the "FLTSIM.0" data portion of your CFG appears fine .... and as I'd expect.

I want you to check that the texture folder you have installed inside your aircraft base pack is named precisely as follows ....

texture.american_airlines_b707-123b_n7512a_1965

The slightest error in font or spelling of this (or if it is still retained within a containing folder from the ZIP file) will be sufficient to cause the aircraft to not displayed in FS.

We also still need to see a screenshot of precisely what you've got inside that basepack (as requested above) .... that might theoretically be causing your aircraft to not display in FS.

Additionally we also want to know how the PANEL.CFG file for this aircraft reads .... the slightest error there is also sufficient to cause an aircraft to not display in FS.

We can only attempt to try to resolve this for you on the basis of first being provided with "ALL" the requested information.

Mark C
BOG/CO

[ssp]

[fltsim]
alias=fsfsconv\panel.b707-120b.1965

texture reads exactly the same as you have

I do not know how to attached a screen shot of the base pack. If you tell mewhat to look at I will review it. Thanks.