Post by aerofoto - HJG on May 8, 2013 23:09:24 GMT
The DASSAULT MECURE 100 has supported 3 different variations of AIR INTER livery.
"This" .... the first/original version from the early 1970's .... but .... which has not been represented for FS/for this particular JR LUCARINY 3D model so far as I'm aware ....
PHOTO: Eduard MARMET
.... followed by "this" .... the 2nd version from the late 1970's ....
PHOTO: Michel GILLIAND
.... and then followed by "this" .... which was the 3rd and final version from the late 1980's ....
PHOTO: Michel GILLIAND
One can also stretch the point and say that a 4th and 5th set of altogether different liveries again were supported by some of these aircraft .... "IF" one takes into account each of the following 2 airframes ....
"This" .... was one of the first "MARCEL DASSAULT BREGUET" titled versions (there was also another variation of this particular livery too featuring the manufactures titles along the uppwer fuselage crownskin .... and which does qualify for being a 6th variation) and which was, essentially, just basic/original AIR INTER livery devoid of theairlines name/titles ....
.... and then there was "F-BTTE" .... which, after its AIR INTER service, supported the following AIR LITTORAL based livery, but, which was never actually operated by the airline, being used, instead, as an ESMA ("Ecole Superleure Des Metiers De Aeronautique") ground handling trainer.
Representation of these other 2 liveries (at least) is probably no more out-of-place than those of the HJG LUFTHANSA B707-420 Engineering Trainer or the HJG HAMBURG AIRPORT B707-420 exhibit .... which despite the fact that some of these haven't ever flown .... are, indeed, relevant by virtue of the fact that they "DO/DID" each exist.
During it's AIR INTER service the MERCURE also, occasionally, supported a some minor, but interesting, promotional stickers too .... among which included the "1789-1989 French Bicentennial" celebration logo.
About the MERCURE panel by Benoit GAURANT ....
I know that there's a nice Mercure-panel (made by Benoit Gaurant) on flightsim.com. But it's for FS2000. Too bad that there's no good FS2004-panel for the Mercure
I use what appears to be the same panel as "KLAUSFLY 1981" .... in FS2004.
Although it may be labeled FS2002 it does "seem" to work OK within FS2004 .... barring some, apparently, missing switches as might be observed on the Overhead portion of the Main panel view (and which I don't think is a consequence of this, apparently, FS2002 panel being used in FS2004) .... along with a some minor panel related systems which I can't seem to get working properly.
I "suspect" this particular panel might have been released in an unfinished state .... in that I don't think the version I have is the same one released by Benoit himself
"IF" the latter is indeed the case .... then I hope, he may, one day, consider re-releasing it.
I also have a, yet incomplete (but otherwise perfectly operable) P&W JT8D-15 soundpack which I reconfigured especially for use this MERCURE model and it's FDE .... but .... that's another story.
One detail I've noted within the AIRCRAFT.CFG file which accompanies this MERCURE Aircraft Base Pack (the version I have at least) is that the STATIC THRUST value, in the TURBINE ENGINE DATA section of the CFG, appears to be "grossly overstated" .... at some 23,500 LBS thrust and which (for me) results in a simulation that's grossly/rediculously over-powered.
Folk using this MERCURE simulation might be doing themselves a great favour if thay edit/reduce this particular value to read 15500.000 (15,500 LBS thrust and which is in-line with the certified/maximum P&W JT8D-15 fan jet engine power rating) in order to help "tame the beast".
There's also a number of other "minor" CFG details within this simulation which need being similarly tweaked (such as Trim sensitivity), but, that, for me, at least, is a future project .... one day when I possibly have more time to look at all of this more closely ;D
Apart from that the "minor nuances" which I've noted .... this particular MERCURE is, otherwise, a very nice simulation.
Check your PM box for the complete Mercure as was at the page FSfrance .. IMHO Panel included Liveries: Prototype AIr Inter 1970 Air Littoral ESMA Air Inter 1980 Air Littoral Liner Air France 1980 Prototype (dirty) AIr Inter 1970 (dirty) Air Littoral ESMA (dirty) Air Inter 1980 (dirty) Air Littoral Liner (dirty) Air France 1980 (dirty)
Happy to hear that there are some folks out there with an interest in this aircraft and I thank you for all your comments and support.
I had this aircraft in my FS9 hanger for a long time but only recently decided to give it some flight time.
As far as the panel goes I experienced numerous and similar problems as Mark did, so I used Ken Mitchels' 737 panel.
Yes Klaus, the elevator representation on this model may be incorrect as the whole horizontal stabalizer moves when moving the control yoke, as opposed to just from trim inputs.
I know that a few general aviation aircraft, such as the Piper Cherokee I used to fly, and I think there were a few others as well, the whole horizontal stabalizer moved when moving the control yoke, but I don't recall seeing this on large transport airplanes.
Post by aerofoto - HJG on May 9, 2013 21:14:43 GMT
Where did you got those liveries
The package I have was an FSFT release .... featuring both clean and dirty version examples of each the 6 following texture subjects ....
AIR FRANCE AIR INTER (2X) AIR LITTORAL ESMA/AIR LITTORAL MARCEL DASSULT BREGUET/AIR INTER
I don't think one can get it now .... at least I don't know of anywhere else where its been uploaded since the FSFT collapse, BUT, I suspect "GUS" might be able to put a few people ("Les Miserable ;D) out of their apparent misery trying to source this simulation
Are the paints from the FSFrance-package compatible with the correct-moving-elevator Mercure?
The stated liveries are all 100% compatible with the model by JR LUCARINY.
So far as I'm ware .... there's been no changes, whatsoever, applied to this model and the issues that have been noted are, I think, all FDE defined/centered (excluding minor panel/gauge related issues which are, primarily, what I was commenting in regard to earlier in this thread) .... and which is where most attention needs to be focused.
I'd look at doing/correcting it myself .... aided by some of my own private team .... BUT .... I'm currently tied up with 2 or 3 other new/prospective HJG projects (and even more in regard to realworld commitments) at the moment and can't, realistically, spare the time, at this point of time.
There's a better (I think) version of the Mercure, by I. D'Attomo and G. Quai HERE (the second one from the list). That's the one I'm using, it features a photo-realistic panel not as eye-candy as the one featured on JR Lucariny, but more functional apparently, and a basic (horrible) VC, which I never use. But the exterior model appears to be a lot more detailed and realistically-modelled than JR Lucariny' model, and the plane won't move the whole horizontal stabilizer when "yoking". It could use some more detailed textures, but otherwise flies 'n looks pretty good, I s'pouse...