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Post by Herman on Mar 2, 2015 16:39:37 GMT
Just a couple of days ago I installed the HJG B707-320B Early into FSX. Tge aircraft appeared fine in the selection menu but when I loaded it to fly it went about 3/4 through the loading process and then I got a crash to DT. I did this several times with the same results.
I re-down loaded this airplane again from the HJG download page followed the installation instructions carefully but again I got a crash.
I did the same with a couple of other HJG 707's again with the same results.
Now I tried loading a different FSX aircreaft and all went OK.
Several months ago I downloaded several HJG DC-8 Models into FSX and they all worked OK. I did this yesterday and they all worked OK, but still no luck with the 707's. I am quite sure that I have followed all install instructions carefully.
Has someone had any problems like this. Were these aircraft hacked by someone???
Any suggestion about this issue.
Herman
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Mar 2, 2015 19:43:17 GMT
I don't doubt .... for one moment .... rthat you've istalled everything correctly because your competence has been obvious .... time and time again .... and for many years past. This issue could (possibly) be common to your own system Herman  .... because we know the B707's simulations (models, panels/gauges, sounds, and FDE) all work fine in FSX. I presume you're using the HJG supplied B707/720 panel options .... and have made no (and I mean absolutely no) additions or alterations to these by way of any other add-on utility or module. I also preseume you've changed the CFG.FILE (forr the AIRCRAFT.CFG, SOUND.CFG, and PANE:.CFG) to reflect FSX rather than their deafault FS2004 assignments. ALSO .... What are the dates and times of the 3 B707 gauges files you're currently using .... right click on each of these 3 files ....and select properties .... and then tell me what you're seeing as per their "Last Modified Date". There's no particular proble that I/we are aware of .... and I don't think WINDOWS 7 should pose any problems .... but, although these files "ARE" FSX compatible/portable I think (if I recall correctly) they were last worked on prior to most people using the WINDOWS 7 OS .... and which, again, I don't think should pose any issues at all. Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by Herman on Mar 3, 2015 15:17:28 GMT
Thank you Mark for your reply. I am quite certain that I have followed the installation procedure correctly, but I will re-ck everything again.
Re-garding the 3 gauge files, it looks like they were created June 5, 2010,and the modified date is always the date that I installed them,ie. Feb.28\15.
A few other odd things have changed on the FSX system, for example, when I load up any aircraft,it loads up with all engines shut down. This is something new,however, all other aircraft on FSX still load up OK except for the HJG 707's.
Later today I will try to install a DC-8 to see if there are any problems with it. Perhaps it is a PC problem or a problem with FSX.
Regards; herman
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Mar 3, 2015 19:25:51 GMT
YEAH .... I don't doubt that you've done everything correctly bbecause I've always know you to be consistantly thorough. On my system (remember I'm FS2004 though) the "last modified" dates of each 3 B707 panel gauges files (among the GAUGES/CORE FILES package) are identified as follows .... 707-120.gau
LAST MODIFIED DATE = Saturday, 5 June 2010, 9:04:38 a.m.
707-320.GAU
LAST MODIFIED DATE = Saturday, 5 June 2010, 9:52:58 p.m.
707-LATE.GAU
LAST MODIFIED DATE = Saturday, 5 June 2010, 9:56:42 p.m.These dates CRERATED V LAST MODIFIED may display different in FSX and on OS later than WINDOWS XP PRO .... but .... whatever is supplied should display datesm and times, consistenty with "JUNE 5TH 2010" in order to be confirmed as the lates/current file versions. Each B707 simulation using these panels shouls load in FS with their engines alreaed started/running .... at least that's the case in FS 2004 .... I don't know if FSX is at all different in this particular respect, but, I don't think so because this particular observation is consistent with the loading of other defaulkt or add-on simulations too. The PANEL.CFG and SOUND.CFG detail (ensuring the FSX versions are activated) certainly won't contribute to you problem .... but .... you should at least recheck that the AIRCRAFT.CFG file you have activated in FSX is, indeed, the "FSX" version. As I mentionned yesterday .... there's no known problems with the B707 and FSX. Although not native to FSX .... these simulations are been known to be quite stable on this FS platform .... so far as I'm been aware. I don't think there's any problems with regard to their FSX/WINDOWS 7 compatibility .... as least not that I've ever heard at least. Are you're qwuite sure you've not moddied and of the FSX CFG files with other addo-on modules/untilities ? Adding features could, possibly, result in loading problems. Also checdk that each of your FLTSIM.XX/ADD TO AIRCRAFT DATA is correctly presented too .... in fact check, cross-check, and recheck "EVERYTHING"  FAILING ALL THIS .... Try to redownload .... and from these reinstall .... these files again Herman (the Panels, Gauges/Core Files, Aircraft Base Packs, and Tetures) .... since somewhere along the line any one of these files that you've recently downloaded and are trying to install may have been corrrupted during the downloading process .... it's rare, but, "CAN" happen. Mark C AKLK/NZ |
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Post by Herman on Mar 3, 2015 21:44:13 GMT
OK, thank you Mark. Just to let you know I did do an upload of the DC-8-40 into FSX and it loaded and displayed perfectly in FSX, other then the engines were in the shut down mode.
There must be a place where one can go back to the default setting.
I will reload a 707 and install it again into FSX. I'll let you know how it works out. By the way my OS is Vista.
There also seem to be a few irregularities regarding the fuel system, but I will bring that up in the Boeing Forum.
Herman
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Mar 3, 2015 23:02:36 GMT
AH HA .... that may, possibly, be the/make "a diiference". I'm pretty sure I remember issues arising with the VISTA OS shortly after we first re-released the HJG B707 simulations .... back in 2006. I can't be sure though (as good as my memory is .... it's too ago now .... and many simulations have passed since then) .... but .... I don't, actually, specifically recall the exact nasture/maginitude of the issue .... other than there wereissues with VISTA and they were also in relation to the B707/B720 simulations. It's, perhaps, hardly surprising that one lot of HJG simulations might function fine in VISTA and not another lot .... simply because the foundation of their gauges programming (if using HJG endorsed/supplied panels) is different rather than conforming to 1 specific type of engineering protocols. I'm not sure if we'll be able to help you here Herman .... and I don't say that as easily as it sounds If the proble persistys after my above suggestion of this morning (redownloading and reinstalling ":EVERYTHING") .... then .... you might be able to avoid problems by using a non-HJG endorsede//supplied panel for the B707's/720's .... like that of the Paul GOLDING product. It'd be a pitty though .... because our/HJG B707/710C135 TYPE panel options are "customised" for use with each individual simulation/FDE version. Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Mar 3, 2015 23:07:39 GMT
Here's what my B707/720 PANEL INSTALLATION & HANDLING NOTES say .... in particularnote the comment regarding "WINDOWS VISTA" ....
Again .... and as I seem to recall .... the "WINDOWS VISTA" OS may make a difference in this particular case.
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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Post by Herman on Mar 4, 2015 1:16:29 GMT
Thank you Mark for all your work dealing with this issue. I think I stumbbled onto something here.
I did download all the 707-220 files required and installed them into FSX and again the aircraft showed up in the selection menu but when selected did not complete the loading process and FSX crashed DT.
Because you had mentioned to check the 3 gauge files, what I noticed, that every time I dowloaded and extracted the core gauges and sound files these gauges came up with being Modified with today's date.
Because I have all the HJG Aircraft in FS9, I copied and pasted them from the FS9 Gauages folder to the FSX Gauges folder and whala the airplane loaded in FSX OK.
Now the mystery is....why do those Modify dates change??THese dates did not change for the FS9 Gauges.
Well...at least for now the 707's are working OK in FSX
Herman
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Mar 4, 2015 4:26:45 GMT
I'm glad you've made progress Herman .... even to the extent of possibly having resolved this particular issue. Looking at what you've replied everything starts to make better sense now .... I think. I'd say the lesson to everyone here is (and thanks to your perseverence) to never transfer/copy files directly from FS2004 over to FSX. In fact it's probably always best to UZIP files specifically for fresh instaqllation into FSX .... maybe because FS2004 stamps files installed into it in such a manner as to possibly confuse FSX if these same files are simply copied into it .... and the same might also apply in reverse order too. GOOD WORK Herman  .... and obviously (at the moment) no problems with these files in WINDOWS VISTA either .... I assume. Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by Dan K. Hansen on Mar 4, 2015 8:30:23 GMT
Hm... I only had Vista for around 26 seconds installed, but I think the UAC was much more stringent than in the win7 version.
In Win7 the removal of User Access Control is quite easy t5o modify and indeed remove, whereas in Vista I seem to remember that it was a bit more difficult. but if you a saying that the files are modified I think that might be the system somhow tamperiong with the files.... try to dig into removing this "operationg system Control" on Vista, and see if it helps you out...
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Post by Falcon on Mar 4, 2015 16:16:41 GMT
I've been running Vista for the last 7 years with FSX installed. No real problems except a stutter now and then. One can shut of the UAC quite easily, but you will get a notice its off at every boot. The other thing I've noticed with many installs, is if I just double click on a zip file, it appears unzipped in a separate window. Well I've discovered it is not actually unzipped and will cause problems such as Herman is having. I have to right click on the zipped file, and then click on EXTRACT. Then it is completely unzipped and usable. Just a thing I've noticed about FSX & Vista!
Falcon
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Post by Herman on Mar 4, 2015 16:35:32 GMT
Dan....thank you for your reply. I will try your suggestion by changing the Operating System Control Authority for those type of files.
Mark....just to clarify...it was the act of transferring the gauge files from FS9 to FSX that allowed me to get the proper results. The Modified Date remained the same.
When I downloaded and extracted the core files for the 707's, which contain the gauge files, for some reason my Vista OS changed the "Modified Date" to the current date, and this I think, was the reason for getting the FSX CTD.
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Post by Herman on Mar 4, 2015 16:43:02 GMT
OK...thank you Falcon for your suggestion. Up to this point the only aircraft installation problem I have experienced is with the HJG 707's, and the problem turned out to be with the 3 707 gauge files in question.
As mentioned before I did an install on a number of HJG DC-8's and they all functioned properly.
Herman
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Mar 4, 2015 18:51:36 GMT
AY YEAH .... I'm "with ya" now .... sorry about that It's "interesting" .... because what you've found to work, in your case, is something I wouldn't normally have done myself, or even recomended either .... BUT HEY .... if it's produced a/the desirable result, then, that's great Mark C AKL/NZ |
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.... because we know the B707's simulations (models, panels/gauges, sounds, and FDE) all work fine in FSX.
.... and obviously (at the moment) no problems with these files in WINDOWS VISTA either .... I assume.
