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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Dec 12, 2017 4:28:25 GMT
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Post by Klaus Hullermann on Dec 12, 2017 6:52:21 GMT
Nice Russian Iron-shots Mark. I have the Aeroproyecto IL-62M (available via the major FS-sides like avsim or flightsim.com. Search for 'Aeroproyecto'). Its system-depth may be not so high as the PT one, but due its -mostly 'english speaking' cockpit, she's one of two Russian Jetliners (the other one is the Aeroproyecto SSJ100) I understand and can use in FS9.
Klaus
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Post by Tony Madge - HJG on Dec 12, 2017 11:24:31 GMT
I do like these excellent Russian airliners, but their panels are my sticking point, excellent panels but I would prefer ones that I can understand and not metric. Just my view.
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Post by Mike Monce - HJG on Dec 12, 2017 14:43:30 GMT
I definitely need some breaks from our HJG testing. Occasionally pull out a GA prop for some refreshing on my stick and rudder skills, but I do get a bit bored with low and slow. What I like lately is to take a newly acquired and tweaked  Embraer Phenom out and about. What's fun is to take it into some out of the way airport as it can land just about anywhere. What I do is do a search on flightaware.com for where Phenoms are flying that day and duplicate a flight into some small airport that looks interesting. Keeps the flight sim juices flowing  Mike |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Dec 12, 2017 20:21:03 GMT
With most of the Russian panels (those I use at least) .... so long as one has TOOL TIPS (I think it is) enabled within FS then hovering one's mouse curser over any less than obvious instrument usually identifies it "in English" for what is .... and from there knowing what's what and where is just "a memory action" once learned .... just as applies any other panel really. Metric units of measurement are "the norm" among the instrumentation of most European designed aircraft types .... hence its use among these panels .... but I think FS has a settings option to enable switching between either imperial or metric values (in regard to altitude at least).... does it not ? When I need to "GO SLOW" .... or just get "BACK TO BASICS" .... I play with Tom GIBSON's stuff as another means of breathing fresh air  |
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Post by Herman on Dec 13, 2017 15:49:49 GMT
Great looking IL62's Mark.
I always alternate between Jets and Prop's, and I always do several flights consecutavely with each aircraft, until I get everything to my satisfaction.
I do a flight every day, unless I am away from home, and it takes me about a year to go through all the aircraft in my FS9 and FSX Hangers.
Herman
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Post by alex94 on Dec 27, 2017 6:38:35 GMT
I do like these excellent Russian airliners, but their panels are my sticking point, excellent panels but I would prefer ones that I can understand and not metric. Just my view. I can highly recommend the aeroproyecto Il-62. Simple panel but still enough that it’s not like the default 747 panel |
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Post by darrenvox on Jan 4, 2018 7:58:13 GMT
Nice paints
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Post by George Carty - HJG on Jan 4, 2018 8:15:52 GMT
Metric units of measurement are "the norm" among the instrumentation of most European designed aircraft types .... hence its use among these panels .... but I think FS has a settings option to enable switching between either imperial or metric values (in regard to altitude at least).... does it not ? Not in post-WWII Western Europe of course (thousands of war-surplus C-47s made sure of that) but certainly for Soviet-bloc aircraft! Incidentally, why do Soviet jet airliners include that combination AoA/G-force gauge (I think that's what the gauge with the red sectors on its background, on the right-hand side of the panel view? I could see such a gauge being useful on a military aircraft but not on an airliner – a symptom of the general militarization of Soviet society? George |
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Post by walterleo on Jan 4, 2018 13:34:56 GMT
Hi friends: Regarding AoA/G force: The AoA indicator was demanded by one of the best American aviation writers (and testpilot) Wolfgang Langwiesche in his book "Stick and Rudder" arguing that even with nose down an airplane can stall due to an excessive angle of attack. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stick_and_RudderAmong "Western" Airliners which had that instrument were Caravelle XII, Concorde, Mercure, AB A 300 and the early Learjets. imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/2/0/6/0349602.jpg?v=v40 The measurment of AoA is part of all modern stall avoidance systems, but some of that systems hide that basic information in their software and can mislead pilots like in the A 330 AF 447 accident. The Russian airplane designers kept the indication due to their philosophy, that pilots should depend more on flying wisdom and reliable datas but not alone on some numbers in the speed-booklet and a virtual voice crying "STAAAAAL!!!!". Boeing in their B 737 NG ff. offers an AoA indicator as part of the PFD (on demand). Post-soviet Aeroflot demanded that change before buying the Boeings. Regarding metric systems: The later Soviet airliners had altimeters and DME´s switchable to western Feet and NM. So have the PT Tu-154M and IL-62M. Some other instruments need some rethinking (RADAR Alt, ASI). I myself have published Crew-voices in English and German for some of that birds, which help a lot. The inscriptions on the panel bitmaps can be changed also (with a loss of autenticity!) Aeroprojects simulations are good but not the "genuine draft" but its IL-18 is worthwhile to try, the IL-62M is a nice beginning of inmersion into Soviet flying. What sometimes is disturbing, that in soviet jetliners the western standart T outly of the primary flight instruments was not applied and the attitude indicator does operate the revers way so your instrument scan has to be learned anew. BUT PT offers on its homepage a lot of help for the Tu-104 to the Tu-154M and the IL-62M also in English, French and German. I am moderator on some of the PT forums. Kind regards Walter |
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Post by walterleo on Jan 5, 2018 15:47:52 GMT
Hi friends: This does not mean, that no Soviet built airliner never was flown into a flatspin, the most dramatic accident (170 victims) was Pulkovo Aviation flight 612 a Tu-154M: The MAK final report concluded:
The cause of the crash was the aircraft being flown in manual flight mode with excessive angles of attack causing a stall with a subsequent transition to a flat spin and collision with the ground at high vertical speed. The flight manual and crew training programs did not provide instruction on manual pitch control and pitch trim during high-altitude flight. The lack of appropriate simulators contributed to the crew’s lack of ability. While avoiding areas of thunderstorms and turbulence, the crew allowed the aircraft to enter pitch oscillations exceeding the angle of attack operational range. Lack of control over speed and not following the Flight Manual to prevent and recover from a stall and poor crew resource management allowed the situation to escalate into a catastrophic one.By basic numbers the crew could fly that high but not among the outside conditions around the thunderstorms with high variations of outside tempratures. Sadly the crew believed more the numbers and not the AoA. All happened under severe pressure to avoid real killer storms at 37000 ft trying to outclimb them up to FL 390. www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhpS3MKECrc Kind regards Walter |
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Post by M.I.B. on Jan 5, 2018 20:59:48 GMT
I have the Aeroproyecto IL-62M (available via the major FS-sides like avsim or flightsim.com. Search for 'Aeroproyecto'). That's funny, I went ahead and searched for that simulation, out of pure curiosity because I'm not usually into Soviet aircraft, and in doing so, I stumbled upon newer versions of whose existence I haven't been aware, of 2 other Aeroproyecto planes that I have been enjoying for years, namely the EMB-110 and the Superjet 100. The latest version of the EMB-110 was released all the way back in 2015, and I was still using the 2013 version. As for the Superjet 100, I was still using the first version (from 2012 I think), without ever noticing that there was a big upgrade released in 2014, and another one (the latest version) this Christmas, after you wrote that post. Had I not seen these lines, I would've remained in the dark for God knows how much longer, still thinking I'm using the latest versions. So thank you Klaus!  And when you think I almost chose to go to bed instead of checking what's new on the HJG forum, funny how life works. |
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Post by alex94 on Jan 6, 2018 3:20:12 GMT
MArk are those liveries you’ve showcased available to the public anywhere?
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Post by walterleo on Jan 6, 2018 14:17:17 GMT
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Post by alex94 on Jan 6, 2018 17:00:05 GMT
Thanks for those links walter |
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And when you think I almost chose to go to bed instead of checking what's new on the HJG forum, funny how life works.