707-320 sound glitch in FS2004

[blueaircraft]

Hello everyone, I am having sound issues concerning the HJG Boeing 707-320. Anytime I spool up the engines, or engage the flaps, the sound "lingers" on indefinitely, and even goes on when I exit to the main menu. Warnings and some sound effects do work as they should. If this is of use, I am using B. Plamondon's sound pack as well, and using the 1965 panel for the 707-320. What can be the problem?

Andrew

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

Anytime I spool up the engines, or engage the flaps, the sound "lingers" on indefinitely, and even goes on when I exit to the main menu.

I can't relate "what you've described" to any previously experienced/reported or known issue since these B707 simulations were first released during 2006 and last updated during 2020

The sound packs are all "absolutely fine" (both FS9 and FSX versions) .... no audio issues are known to exist with any of them.

For the moment all I can suggest is as follows ....

Ensure your sound pack is installed inside your B707 aircraft base pack.

Ensure the sound pack you've installed in FS2004 is indeed an "FS9 specific version" .... and "NOT" an FSX specific version.

Additionally ensure you're using the correct HJG supplied panel and sound pack versions for the specific B707 simulation you've installed .... and which should be assigned as follows ....

"B707 AIRCRAFT BASE PACK/SOUND PACK ASSIGNMENTS"

- B367-80 - use P&W JT3P (no reverse) Turbo-Jet sound Pack
- B707-120 - use P&W JT3C-6 Turbo-Jet sound Pack
- B707-120F (freighter) - use P&W JT3C-6 Turbo-Jet sound Pack
- B707-120B - use P&W JT3D-3B Fan-Jet sound Pack
- B707-120BF (freighter) - use P&W JT3D-3B Fan-Jet sound Pack
- B707-138 - use P&W JT3C-6 Turbo-Jet sound Pack
- B707-138B (EARLY) - use P&W JT3D-3B Fan-Jet sound Pack
- B707-138B (LATE) - use P&W JT3D-3B Fan-Jet sound Pack
- B707-220 - P&W JT4A Turbo-Jet sound Pack
- B707-320 - use P&W JT4A Turbo-Jet sound Pack
- B707-320F - use P&W JT4A Turbo-Jet sound Pack
- B707-320B (EARLY) - use P&W JT3D-3B Fan-Jet sound Pack
- B707-320B ADV - use P&W JT3D-3B Fan-Jet sound Pack
- B707-320B SCD - use P&W JT3D-3B Fan-Jet sound Pack
- B707-320C - use P&W JT3D-7 Fan-Jet sound Pack
- B707-320C (freighter) - use P&W JT3D-7 Fan-Jet sound Pack
- B707-420 - use RR CONWAY Fan-Jet sound Pack
- B707-700 - use CFM-56 Turbo-Fan sound Pack
- B720-A - use P&W JT3C-6 Turbo-Jet sound Pack
- B720-AF (freighter) - use P&W JT3C-6 Turbo-Jet sound Pack
- B720-B - use P&W JT3D-3B Fan-Jet sound Pack
- B720-BF (freighter) - use P&W JT3D-3B Fan-Jet sound Pack


"B707 AIRCRAFT BASE PACK/PANEL ASSIGNMENTS"

- B367-80 - use B367-80 panel
- B707-120 - use B707-120 1959 panel
- B707-120F - use B707-120 1959 panel
- B707-120B - use either B707-120B 1959 panel or B707-120B 1965 panel
- B707-120BF - use either B707-120B 1959 panel or B707-120B 1965 panel
- B707-138 - use B707-138 1959 panel
- B707-138B (EARLY) - use B707-138B 1959 panel
- B707-138B (LATE) - use B707-138B 1965 panel
- B707-220 - use B707-220 panel
- B707-320 - use B707-320 panel
- B707-320 - use B707-320 panel
- B707-320F - use B707-320 panel
- B707-320B (EARLY) - use B707-320B EARLY panel
- B707-320B ADV - use either B707-320B ADV 1965 panel or B707-320B ADV 1970 panel
- B707-320B SCD - use B707-320B EARLY panel
- B707-323B - use either B707-323C 1965 panel or B707-323C 1970 panel
- B707-320C - use B707-320B ADV 1965 panel or B707-320B ADV 1970 panel
- B707-323C - use either B707-323C 1965 panel or B707-323C 1970 panel
- B707-420 - use B707-420 panel
- B707-700 - use B707-700 panel
- B720-A - use B720-020 panel
- B720-B - use either B720-020B panel or B7209-020B 1965 panel
- B720-BF - use either B720-020B panel or B7209-020B 1965 panel

B707 MANUAL
tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/thread/9861/b707-installation-handling-notes


Mark C
AKL/NZ

[blueaircraft]

Hello Mark, I have checked my files and the panels (which is correct for the 707-320) and sounds are all installed correctly. All are for FS9. I have been wondering if the placement of one's [fltsim.xx] in the "aircraft.cfg" file and whatnot could be a factor, and/or the sounds that one must install from the "panel core files download. What do you think?

Andrew

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

Been thinking since first replying this morning .... and in doing so trying to visualize what you may be doing or possibly misunderstanding in relation to your query

Let me start by saying there's no known audio related issues associated with any of our B707/B720/C-135 simulations .... in regard to either the sound packs or panels and their various elements.

Commenting further in regard to your following and original posting/description as follows ....

Anytime I spool up the engines, or engage the flaps, the sound "lingers" on indefinitely

Not sure what you mean by "lingering sound" in the case of engine startup/spool-up .... unless you're possibly confusing the light background avionics and air-conditioning systems audio for engine sound. This audio, intentionally, remains "CONSTANT" whether or not the engines are shutdown or running .... simulating an aircraft connected to an energy supply on the ground and prior to engine startup or following engine shutdown, or, powered by and its own generators whilst the engines are running.

The flap sound isn't constant and there's no way it can run constantly or even repetitively. It's just a single "CLICK" sound (no mechanical audio) representing the lever being set to whatever flap detente is selected .... that's all that's heard "from an FD perspective".

The Trim sound (I don't believe this form any part of your issue but are mentioning it regardless) is a long and continuous (not constant though) "RATTLE" whenever trim is manually set or automatically adjusted inflight per the AP .... in cases of the latter (AP applied auto-trim adjustment/s inflight) and under some conditions this can, intentionally, run for a minute or so as trim is auto-adjusted/fine tuned by the AP. See "SECTION 6.06/B707 PANEL SYSTEMS/B707 TRIM WHEEL SOUND" in the manual.

The warning "BEEPS" (I don't believe this forms part of your issue either but are once again mentioning it regardless) are generally triggered in relation to flap setting/s or the lack of such .... and also in relation to airspeed and flap setting/s as well. See "SECTION 6.06/B707 PANEL SYSTEMS/B707 MASTER WARNING SYSTEM" in the manual.

As I mentioned .... there's no known issues in regard to any of these details and elements forming part of these B707/B720/C-135 simulations.

Might (possibly) need to focus your attention upon how you're starting/what you're actually doing to start the engines.

Want you to pay "very close attention" to what's done, and can be seen and heard, during engine startup procedures within Benoit's following video (this's the P&W JT3D-7 sound pack for the B707-320C) ....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lla0w3t2AQ

What's seen, done, and heard within the above video is precisely what one should be doing, seeing, and hearing before, during, and following engine startup procedures.

The demonstrated procedures are identical for all of our B707/B720/C-135 SERIES simulations .... albeit the engine sounds differ in accordance with the different engine types.

Want you to also relate the above video demonstrated engine startup procedures with the following quoted engine startup tutorial from our manual. PLEASE NOTE: 3 different engine startup procedures options are available .... each of which work perfectly. The procedure demonstrated within the above-linked video is the GPU/GENERATOR ASSISTED AIR STARTUP option (#1 per the following quoted tutorial) .... the one most commonly used in R/W operations.

2 even more concise engine startup video tutorials are included within the following-quoted Engine Startup Tutorial manual extract. See "SECTION 7.00" and "SECTION 7.01"

B707 ENGINE STARTUP PROCEDURES

It is recommended that all sub panels be selected/cycled into view "once" .... and then closed again .... prior to commencing either of the following engine startup procedures. Doing so limits tendency for any minor delay associated with displaying the required sub panels when next commanded into view during different phases of these engine startup procedures.

PLEASE NOTE: The following # 1 and #2 manual engine startup procedures may not work "in FSX". FSX users should therefore use the default MSFS auto-engine startup procedure .... as outlined per the # 3 "AUTO-ENGINE STARTUP" procedure below.


7.00: B707 ENGINE STARTUP PROCEDURE # 1 - GPU/GENERATOR ASSISTED AIR STARTUP

PLEASE NOTE: This is the most commonly used engine startup procedure for B707 aircraft using AIR ASSISTED STARTUP OF ALL 4 ENGINES.

1. Go to the O/H sub panel .... click the "CALL" button (located roughly in the center of the O/H and below the Seat Belt and No Smoking sign switches) .... the first depressing of this button triggers "BRAKES ON dialogue .... the 2nd depressing of this button triggers "WE'RE READY TO START #3" and "CLEAR ON 3 (etc)" dialogue along with air delivery sound.

PLEASE NOTE: The 2nd part of the above dialogue cannot progress (nor air delivery commence) unless the Brakes are locked "ON".

PLEASE NOTE: If the Brakes are not locked "ON" .... then .... the first portion of the above dialogue ("BRAKES ON") will be repeat triggered until the Brakes are selected "ON".

2. Go to the F/E sub panel (left side) .... set the Battery Switch to "ON" .... set External Power switch to "ON" and check its lamp is illuminated (purple) .... set the Essential Power Switch to "EXT" .... check the Pneumatic Air Pressure/Duct Pressure gauge (located below to the Essential Power Switch) is displaying approx "40" PSI .... check all 4 Fuel Cut Off Switches are "ON" .... check all 10 Fuel Boost Pump Switches are "ON" .... check all 6 Fuel Valve switches Open are "ON/OPEN".

PLEASE NOTE: The engines will not start unless each of the above items are correctly set.

2A. (THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS NON-ESSENTIAL FOR ENGINE STARTUP .... using these panels/simulations not attending to these particular items will not impair engine startup procedures).

Go to the F/E sub panel (right side) .... check the Engine #1 Bleed Air, L and R Wing Air Valve, and Engine #3 Bleed Air switches are "ON" .... check the Engine #2 and #3 Turbo Compressor Switches are "OFF" .... and select both Air Conditioning Switches "OFF".

3. Once the above items are each checked and correctly set and air delivery is established .... go to the O/H sub panel and depress (once only) the Engine Start Air Valve switch (it will open and close momentarily .... nothing inside needs to be selected .... it looks like a red circuit breaker and is located at the top of the O/H between the #2 and #3 engine Starter Switches) .... then .... set the #3 Starter Switch to "GRND" .... always start engine # 3 first.

4. Go to the Main Panel .... pay attention to the N2 gauge for engine #3 .... as soon the indicator needle for this gauge cycles through N2 20% (N2 22% for CFM-56 powered aircraft version only) then go to the C/P sub panel and set the engine #3 Fuel Lever "UP" to its "middle" position (as marked) .... the engine should ignite/start with this lever then automatically moving to its "fully up" position .... and the engine should be heard to begin spooling up.

PLEASE NOTE: Using this procedure .... Push-Back should not be commenced until "after" all 4 engines have been successfully started.

5. Do not shutdown the air delivery system .... but rather .... let it continue running and start #4, #2, and #1 engines in precisely the same manner as #3 engine in order to complete manual engine startup procedures for the remaining 3 engines.

6. After successful start up of all 4 engines .... go to the F/E sub panel (left side) and set the Essential Power Switch to either #1, #2, #3, or #4 positions .... set External Power switch to "OFF" and check its it's lamp (purple) is extinguished .... ensure the Battery Switch remains "ON" .... check all 10 Fuel Boost Pump Switches remain "ON" .... and check all 6 Fuel Valves remain remain "ON/OPEN".

6A. Go to the F/E panel (right side) .... set both Air Conditioning Switches "ON" .... check both Engine #1 Bleed Air, L and R Wing Air Valve, and Engine #3 Bleed Air switches are all "ON" .... select Engine #2 and #3 Turbo Compressor Switches "ON".

7. Go to the O/H panel .... click the CALL button .... the air delivery system will stop.

8. Configure all other panels/sub panels and instruments as required.


VIDEO TUTORIAL - B707 ENGINE STARTUP PROCEDURE # 1 - GPU/GENERATOR ASSISTED AIR STARTUP.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTFP3s16Mrc

PLEASE NOTE: The above demonstrated procedures are both FS2004 and FSX compatible.


7.01: B707 ENGINE STARTUP PROCEDURE #2 - GPU/GENERATOR & ENGINE #3 BLEED AIR ASSISTED STARTUP

PLEASE NOTE: This is an alternative but "rarely ever used" engine startup procedure for B707 aircraft using AIR ASSISTED STARTUP OF ENGINE #3 ONLY AND THEN ENGINE #3 BLEED AIR TO START THE REMAINING 3 ENGINES.

1. Go to the O/H sub panel .... click the "CALL" button (located roughly in the center of the O/H and below the Seat Belt and No Smoking signs switches) .... the first depressing of this button triggers "BRAKES ON dialogue .... the 2nd depressing of this button triggers "WE'RE READY TO START #3" and "CLEAR ON 3 (etc)" dialogue along with air delivery sound.

2. Go to the F/E sub panel (left side) .... set the Battery Switch to "ON" .... set External Power switch to "ON" and check its lamp is illuminated (purple) .... set the Essential Power Switch to "EXT" .... check the Pneumatic Air Pressure/Duct Pressure gauge (located below to the Essential Power Switch) is displaying approx "40" PSI .... check all 4 Fuel Cut Off Switches are "ON" .... check all 10 Fuel Boost Pump Switches are "ON" .... check all 6 Fuel Valve switches Open are "ON/OPEN".

PLEASE NOTE: The 2nd part of the above dialogue cannot progress unless the Brakes are locked "ON".

PLEASE NOTE: If the Brakes are not locked "ON" .... then .... the frst portion of the above dialogue ("BRAKES ON") will be repeat triggered until the Brakes are selected "ON".

2. Go to the F/E sub panel (left side) .... set the Battery Switch to "ON" .... and set External Power switch to "ON" and check its lamp is illuminated (purple) .... set the Essential Power Switch to "EXT" .... check all 4 Fuel Cut Off Switches "ON" .... check all 10 Fuel Boost Pump Switches are "ON" .... check all 6 Fuel Valve switches Open are "ON/OPEN" ....

PLEASE NOTE: The engines will not start unless each of the above items are correctly set.

2A. (THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS NON-ESSENTIAL FOR ENGINE STARTUP .... using these panels/simulations not attending to these particular items will not impair engine startup procedures).

Go to the F/E sub panel (right side) .... check the Engine #1 Bleed Air, L and R Wing Air Valve, and Engine #3 Bleed Air switches are "ON" .... check the Engine #2 and #3 Turbo Compressor Switches are "OFF" .... and select both Air Conditioning Switches "OFF".

3. Once the above items are each checked and correctly set and air delivery is established .... go to the O/H sub panel and depress (once only) the Engine Start Air Valve switch (it will open and close momentarily .... nothing inside needs to be selected .... it looks like a red circuit breaker and is located at the top of the O/H between the #2 and #3 engine Starter Switches) .... then .... set the #3 Starter Switch to "GRND" .... always start engine # 3 first.

4. Go to the Main Panel .... pay attention to the N2 gauge for engine #3 .... as soon the indicator needle for this gauge cycles through N2 20% (N2 22% for CFM-56 powered aircraft version only) then go to the C/P sub panel and set the engine #3 Fuel Lever "UP" to its "middle" position (as marked) .... the engine should ignite/start with this lever then automatically moving to its "fully up" position .... and the engine should be heard to begin spooling up.

5. After successful start up of engine #3 .... go to the F/E panel (left side) and set the Essential Power Switch to #3 position .... (only) set External Power switch to "OFF" and check its it's lamp (purple) is extinguished .... ensure that the Battery Switch remains "ON" .... check that all 10 Fuel Boost Pump Switches remain "ON" .... and check that all 6 Fuel Valve Open also remain "ON/OPEN".

6. Go to the O/H sub panel .... click the CALL button .... the air delivery system will stop.

PLEASE NOTE: If desired .... Push-Back at this stage to ground re-position prior to starting the remaining engines, or alternatively, remain stationary on the ramp in preparation for starting the remaining engines).

7. Click the CALL button (again) .... this 4th depressing of this button triggers "BRAKES ON AND YOU'RE CLEAR ON 4,2, AND 1" dialogue with "BRAKES ON AND WE'RE CLEAR ON 4,2, AND 1 POWER'S COMING UP" acknowledgement dialogue.

8. Go to the CP sub panel .... carefully mouse the Thrust Lever for engine #3 (only) "UP" to a point "roughly parallel to the FLAP 30 indicator beside the Flap Lever track" on the opposite side of CP sub panel.

PLEASE NOTE: DO NOT SELECT THE #3 ENGINE THRUST LEVER PER "CTRL+E+3" KEYBOARD COMMANDS. UNLIKE IS THE CASE USING OUR DC-8 PANELS THIS PROCEDURE IS NOT APPLICABLE TO THESE B707 PANELS.

9. Go to the Main Panel .... pay attention to the N2 gauge for engine #3 .... verify the indicator needle for this gauge indicates N2 70% or slightly greater.

10. Go to the O/H sub panel and set the #4 Starter Switch to "GRND" .... the engine should be heard to start spooling up (using some sound packs only) .

11. Go to the Main Panel .... pay attention to the N2 gauge for engine #4 .... as soon the indicator needle for this gauge cycles through N2 20% then go to the C/P panel and set the engine #4 Fuel Lever "UP" to its "middle" position (as marked) .... the engine should ignite/start and this lever will then automatically move to its "fully up" position .... and the engine should be heard to begin spooling up.

12. Start #2 and #1 engines in precisely the same manner as #4 engine to complete manual engine startup procedures for the remaining 2 engines.

13. After successful start up of all 4 engines set the engine #3 Thrust Lever back to its idle detent.

PLEASE NOTE: DO NOT SELECT THE #3 ENGINE THRUST LEVER PER "CTRL+E+3" KEYBOARD COMMANDS. AGAIN .... UNLIKE IS THE CASE USING OUR DC-8 PANELS THIS PROCEDURE IS NOT APPLICABLE TO THESE B707 PANELS. ALWAYS SELECT/MOUSE THE #3 THRUST LEVER MANUALLY

14. After successful start up of all 4 engines .... go to the F/E sub panel (left side) and set the Essential Power Switch to either #1, #2, #3, or #4 positions .... set External Power switch to "OFF" and check its it's lamp (purple) is extinguished .... ensure the Battery Switch remains "ON" .... check all 10 Fuel Boost Pump Switches remain "ON" .... and check all 6 Fuel Valves remain remain "ON/OPEN" ....

14A. Go to the F/E panel (right side) .... set both Air Conditioning Switches "ON" .... check both Engine #1 Bleed Air, L and R Wing Air Valve, and Engine #3 Bleed Air switches are all "ON" .... select Engine #2 and #3 Turbo Compressor Switches "ON".

15. Configure all other panels/sub panels and instruments as required.


VIDEO TUTORIAL - B707 ENGINE STARTUP PROCEDURE #2 - GPU/GENERATED & ENGINE # 3 BLEED AIR ASSISTED STARTUP.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=062yK9nppZA

PLEASE NOTE: The ave demonstrated procedures are both FS2004 and FSX compatible.


7.02: B707 ENGINE STARTUP PROCEDURE #3 - MSFS AUTO ENGINE STARTUP

PLEASE NOTE: This procedure should be used by those whom do not desire using either of the above #1 or #2 manual engine startup procedures.

PLEASE NOTE ALSO: This particular procedure is based on the MSFS auto-engine startup option.

1. Go to the F/E sub panel (left side) .... set the Battery Switch to "ON" .... check all 4 Fuel Cut Off Switches "ON" .... check all 10 Fuel Boost Pump Switches are "ON" .... check all 6 Fuel Valve switches Open are "ON/OPEN".

PLEASE NOTE: The engines will not start unless each of the above items are correctly set.

1A (THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS NON-ESSENTIAL FOR ENGINE STARTUP .... using these panels/simulations not attending to these particular items will not impair engine startup). Go to the F/E sub panel (right side) .... check the Engine #1 Bleed Air, L and R Wing Air Valve, and Engine #3 Bleed Air switches are "ON" .... check the Engine #2 and #3 Turbo Compressor Switches are "OFF" .... and select both Air Conditioning Switches "OFF".

2. Select Keyboard commands "CTRL+E" .... all 4 engines will automatically start in the specific order of engine #1, #2, #3, and #4. No manual intervention should be necessary.

PLEASE NOTE: Unlike is the case with each of the above 2 manual engine startup procedures .... cockpit/ground dialogue, and ground air startup assistance, is not available (or required) using this auto-engine startup procedure.

3. After successful start up of all 4 engines .... go to the F/E sub panel (left side) and set the Essential Power Switch to either #1, #2, #3, or #4 positions .... check the External Power switch is "OFF" and it's lamp (purple) is extinguished .... ensure the Battery Switch remains "ON" .... check all 10 Fuel Boost Pump Switches remain "ON" .... and check all 6 Fuel Valves remain remain "ON/OPEN" ....

3A. Go to the F/E panel (right side) .... set both Air Conditioning Switches "ON" .... check both Engine #1 Bleed Air, L and R Wing Air Valve, and Engine #3 Bleed Air switches are all "ON" .... select Engine #2 and #3 Turbo Compressor Switches "ON".

4. Configure all other panels/sub panels and instruments as required.


Mark C
AKL/NZ

I don't believe placement of the FLIGHTSIM.XX/ADD TO AIRCRAFT data within the AIRCRAFT.CFG is relative to what you describe per your query .... BUT (for what it's worth) this data should always be placed at the top of any CFG between the commented out (//) title and date header information and start of the first CFG based data entry for each simulation.

The Sound Pack folder (named "SOUND" when extracted) "must" be installed inside the aircraft base pack .... this replaces the default Sound folders inside the base pack.

The Panel Sound elements "must" be installed inside the "SOUND" folder located inside "FLIGHT SIMULATOR 9" folder directory .... "NOT" inside the aircraft base pack Sound folder.

See how you go .... but I'm confident this information should sort you out/resolve any misunderstanding/s that are likely causing what you've described.


Mark C
AKL/NZ

[blueaircraft]

Thanks once again for responding Mark. I had installed everything correctly before, so proper installation is not a problem that I should take note of. I did, however, pay close attention to my starting procedure as well as the taxiing, takeoff, climbing, and cruising of the plane. I am inclined to believe that avionic sounds are indeed the factor for the glitch, which can be more accurately described as particular sounds being heard even if the simulation is paused or exited (to the main menu). On a lighter note, the passengers onboard my flight are more than delighted concerning the comfort and speed of my 707 😁

Andrew

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

I am inclined to believe that avionic sounds are indeed the factor for the glitch, which can be more accurately described as particular sounds being heard even if the simulation is paused or exited (to the main menu)

Not a glitch

If what you're referring to is the background ambiance of both A/C and Avionics systems then that audio's "intentional".

So long as you're hearing "precisely what's evidenced within each of the videos I've referenced" then you're fine and all's as "GOOD AS GOLD"/everything's working "exactly as intended".

Mark C
AKL/NZ

[blueaircraft]

You're correct there Mark!

Andrew