BOEING 707 TAIL FIN SHAPE

[doremy]

Hi, i don't want to be smart-ass,correct me if i'm wrong but i think the tail fin of all Boeing 707 base aircraft need some reshaping .They are not as accurate as they should be. Of course is my absolutely personal opinion and i don't want to offend anyone or ignoring the remarkable effort of, an otherwise excellent aircraft, by any means.
Thank you.Theodore Mitsopoulos

[hornit - HJG]

There is a limit to what can be done with these older models. While none of these models are "perfect" I believe they go a very long way to representing the aircraft pretty faithfully. The models here are very old and while The folks responsible for attempting "tweaks" to these models have done some amazing things, I dont think this is in the cards for the 707's. One or two of the contributors here have done some things here and there on other models but unless and until one of the 3D modelers decides things like this are possible, we have what we have. Honestly, the textures/liveries for these models are extremely comprehensive and the actual simulation detail(cockpits/engines, flight models) of the different types often exceeds payware quality.

[Tony Madge - HJG]

Theodore, what Hornit says is correct, those models are old but are pretty good, add on the liveries panels sounds and FDE's and I doubt there is anything near them in freeware. What issues are you having with the tail? I ask as there are two main ones, the earlier short tail and the more common larger tail.

[doremy]

This is an example in regard to what i mean concerning the swept angle of Boeing 707-320C vertical fin.A candidate for a possible tweak sometime in future.

www.etsy.com/listing/1336911082/retro-vintage-boeing-707-aircraft-tail
www.shopnorebbo.com/products/boeing-707-320c-line-drawing

[alex94]

theodore, maybe make a comparison of the FS model and what you think it "should be"

I know mark will chime in, but to save him having to go over it. These models are quite old, and majority of the source files are no longer around, therefore nothing can be done so to speak. And hjg arent in any position to make scratch built models.

I too wish the 707, convairs and some others could be given a nice model update, much like their newly released dc-8 v6.1, but sadly it cant be done. What we see is what we get. If you feel these arent accurate enough, my suggestion would be to look at libardo guzmans 707 2014 edition, or the captain sim 707, but be aware these are better in some areas, overall you get far, FAR less with those other simulations and HJG is by far the best in terms of variety and overall accuracy.

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

I know mark will chime in

Been trying to do that since very early this morning (14 hours ago) but property evaluations/negotiations have taken precedence all day .... and remain my absolute priority at present.

These models are quite old

Quite old, but also, quite good still .... and despite the passage of time.

i think the tail fin of all Boeing 707 base aircraft need some reshaping .They are not as accurate as they should be

Not the first time this's particular subject's come up.

Last time was around 10-12 years ago.

A number of ways to "look at/view all this" ....

What Jim's stated .... and in particular the way he's presented it .... is "ABSOLUTELY SPOT-ON"

Although neither here nor there in the context of this particular query .... what Tony states is correct also .... to the extent that HJG's B707/720/C-135 representations/offerings (in respect of their different fuselage lengths, tail and wing configurations, and engine types etc ..... supported by customized FDE's as well as aircraft/engine type specific panels and sound packs too) are vastly more extensive than anything previously, or currently, offered by anyone else for FS (either payware or freeware) and for which we've Gary CARLSON's dedication to thank.

An additional detail concerning this query I want to pose too is in regard to selected "SCREEN RESOLUTION" .... which, in FS, can (albeit subtly) influence/distort the shape and axis of whatever's presented (as is the case in regard to panels/gauges also). This can similarly become apparent too in regard to zooming and selected axis's/angles of FS view (forward/rear/above/and below aspects) as well. I've certainly noticed this among our PC's/monitors and in FS .... so .... I'm not in the least bit dismissing what's been raised here.

It should also perhaps be noted the greater majority of what HJG offer was never designed with modern Wide Screen monitor use in mind too .... since the foundation of most of what we offer predates this era. Again .... these models are "quite old", but, this project's also still "very comprehensive" despite that. All of these 3D models were compiled from the very same original source so the basic contours of details like their tail shape are common throughout the entire line.

The following imagery, covering some of the most important representations among HJG's civil B707/720 line (much more's offered than depicted here though), should demonstrate any inaccuracies are quite minimal/not too bad (no FS model's perfect remember) and become less apparent in accordance with some of what I've mentioned above.


B707

short tail B707-120


Standard tail B707-120


Standard tail B707-120B


Short tail B707-138


Standard tail B707-138B


Short tail B707-220


Standard tail B707-220


Short tail B707-320


Standard tail B707-320


Short tail B707-420


Standard tail B707-420


Standard tail B707-320B/ADV


Standard tail B707-320C


Standard tail B707-700



B720

Short tail no VHF B720-A


Standard tail B720-A


Standard tail no VHF B720-A


Standard tail B720-B


Standard tail no VHF B720-B

A candidate for a possible tweak sometime in future

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"EXTREMELY UNLIKELY" .... for the following reasons ....

1. The HJG civil B707/B720 project alone is composed of some 40+ individual 3D models .... and this doesn't include the similarly extensive military C-135 line.

2. The source code for these model is no longer complete .... so this projects is, and will remain, essentially "AS-IS". Similar also applies to the HJG CV880 and CV990 3D model line too but for entirely different reasons.

3. Even if it were possible to modify the like of tail contours this would likely "BUMP" many of our existing textures .... and impacted by such we certainly couldn't withdraw, edit, and then reupload every affected texture.

Mark C
AKL/NZ