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Post by christrott on Nov 26, 2007 17:31:47 GMT
I have to say that I love the airplane but there is one problem - no Air Wisconsin. I'm a bit dissapointed it wasn't in the initial release but Mesaba was. ZW (the IATA code for Air Wisconsin) was the airline responsible for the BAe-146 even being certified in the United States and was the first operator of all 3 models of the 146. Mesaba didn't get into the game until much later after US Airways Express had begun operations of the type on routes where it competed with Northwest Airlines. Mesaba's "claim to fame" was when it became the first (and as far as I'm aware only) operator of the ARJ-series in the US. I hope that this situation is "rectified" shortly with a BAe-146-300 in the original Air Wisconsin scheme (at best) and in one of the United Express schemes they wore (there were 3) at least.
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Post by braniffops on Nov 26, 2007 17:35:01 GMT
Hear, hear!! And yes, there were three (I try not to count UFS)
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Nov 26, 2007 17:49:44 GMT
Early days yet Chris .... and "BRANIFFOPS" ! I'm sure just your bear mentioning of AIR WISCONSIN (and the other 2 carriers as well) will probably be sufficient to motivate one of our team into painting that particular livery for a future website update Mark C BOG(CO
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Post by braniffops on Nov 26, 2007 18:09:44 GMT
On the same topic, another one that I'm looking forward to is Aspen Air.
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Post by Tony Madge - HJG on Nov 26, 2007 18:19:28 GMT
ok guys can you post me some links so I can view the livery you require?
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Post by braniffops on Nov 26, 2007 19:07:17 GMT
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Post by Tony Madge - HJG on Nov 26, 2007 19:53:44 GMT
ok only one was a 300 series did AW fly the 300 in the old colours??
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Post by braniffops on Nov 26, 2007 20:45:50 GMT
I seem to remember that yes, they were painted in the old paint scheme...but finding a picture online to verify that is an issue. Primarily, all of the pictures are of -200s at a.net.
I know that N611AW was delivered to ZW in December of 1988, just prior to Aspen's acquisition.
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Post by P3 Super Bee on Nov 27, 2007 10:39:40 GMT
I have to say that I love the airplane but there is one problem - no Air Wisconsin. I'm a bit dissapointed it wasn't in the initial release but Mesaba was. Maybe this will ease your disappointment. If going by the Callsigns Then Mesaba isn't the airline represented for NWAirlink. It would be Pinnacle Airlines would be the operator of the aircraft painted. Which by the way for the callsign to work on the NWAirlink aircraft to work it needs to be "FLAG SHIP" vice "FLAGSHIP". This is, unless somewhere I got the wrong callsign for Pinnacle. One thing I do for regionals is label them so they show up in the select menu as the Regional Airline that operates the aircraft, not the major airline they are contracted by. Awesome aircraft, panel, sound package by the way. An Air Wisconsin in its own livery would be cool. Though does Air Wisconsin fly under its own name anymore? Or are they only doing contract regional work?
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Post by braniffops on Nov 27, 2007 15:30:25 GMT
Air Wisconsin flew as United Express while operating the -146's. After they were "released" by United, the took up contract flying with Barbie Jets for US Airways.
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Post by christrott on Nov 27, 2007 16:07:32 GMT
Air Wisconsin was flying as it's own airline when it started 146 operations and then shortly (within a year) thereafter entered the marketing agreement with United Airlines as one of United's first express carriers, so the 146s didn't spend much (if any) time in the ZW scheme before being repainted into the old United "Friendship" livery. The Air Wisconsin website used to have a very good history on it, but after the United debacle, it's disappeared. I know that we spent almost 2 1/2 hours during training on the history of Air Wisconsin when I hired out as a rampie at DEN back in 2001, and history was something that ZW held in high esteem as they were the longest standing United Express operator and had been very successful at it.
Air Wisconsin operated 5 146-300s. N611AW - N616AW. 611 and 612 are currently sitting on the ramp at Kingman, AZ, 613 is now a privately owned aircraft in the UK, 614 is now being flown by Hemus Air, and 616 is being converted into a 300QT by Air Tahoma.
On a side note, 463 was the only aircraft fully owned by Air Wisconsin when operations of the type ceased. It was bought in cash from US Airways.
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Post by christrott on Nov 27, 2007 16:14:21 GMT
Maybe this will ease your disappointment. If going by the Callsigns Then Mesaba isn't the airline represented for NWAirlink. It would be Pinnacle Airlines would be the operator of the aircraft painted. Actually, that only makes it worse. Pinnacle never operated any 146/ARJ aircraft. It was a reorginization/merger of Express I airlines into a new company to specifically operate the CRJ-200 for Northwest Jetlink (previously Express I operated as "Northwest Airlink", hence the rebranding). In fact, when I go back through the history of Mesaba, they only operated the RJ85A (BAe-146-200). They never operated any -300s, so that paint on the aircraft is incorrect anyway. The aircraft painted, N525XJ, was an RJ85A - www.airliners.net/open.file/1044887/M/I don't want to sound like a "nit-picker", but since HJG's policy is to not to "fictional" schemes, would it not be prudent to also remove the NWA livery from downloads until the RJ85 is uploaded since it's not a 146-300? Like I said, the selection of aircraft for the original upload is kinda surprising because it's unfortunately not up to the quality of the usual HJG uploads in respects to representing the important operators of each individual aircraft model.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Nov 27, 2007 17:41:06 GMT
"YES" .... I am aware of this Chris.
Nick pointed it out to me yesterday.
I haven't had a chance to talk to Jon regarding this yet, but, for the moment at least, we're going to leave that NWA AIRLINK aircraft where it is .... and "switch it" over to the correct aircraft when we have an authentic -200 model to offer.
Mark C BOG/CO
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Post by Tony Madge - HJG on Nov 27, 2007 19:39:38 GMT
Nick has agreed to paint the USA 146's so that leaves me to work on the European ones
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Post by christrott on Nov 27, 2007 23:57:22 GMT
"YES" .... I am aware of this Chris. Nick pointed it out to me yesterday. Okay. I was thinking that there were a couple of 146-300/RJ100 aircraft in the Mesaba fleet, but when I looked up Mesaba's fleet at AeroTransport, I noticed they were all RJ85As, hence my mention of it. I love the plane though. I hope someone does a Discovery Airways paint when the -200s come out as that was an interesting, short-lived airline that fell victim to politics of dubious validity (whether more than 25% of the airline was owned by a foreign interest is up for debate as the prinicpal of the company in question became a US Citizen a week before launching the airline). It would be interesting to see what the Hawaiian intra-island service would have been like if they'd been able to continue with their 146's in place of the 737s and turboprops that everyone else was using at the time.
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