TU-144 V2 by Ruth & Mussner just released

[jimhalinda]

For all of you who like the Ruth/Mussner TU-144, a version 2 was released just today on flightsim.com (also on Avsim in two parts). I'm downloading it now (the file is huge!).

New features (from Claudio himself):

Weather Radar,
Pedestal,
working INS Inertial Navigation System (XML),
a working APU with sound (XML),
parachutes-sound,
VHF Home Finder,
AUTOLAND works under crosswind conditions up to 16 knots,
switchable Antiskid effekt (if runway is wet),
Illumination,
automatic wipers activated by rain,
working original Tu144 roller blinds (Glare shield) ,
automatic landing lights independent from the AOA,
rain effect in the VC,
Moving Pilots heads,
new Crash Simulation effects,
working intake flaps,
6 working exits,
O2 Mask,
TOGA,
Fuel dump,
Crash Sim with a lot of effects in the air and on ground,
and a lot of bugs fixed !

Check it out!

Regards,

Jim

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

Could be an interesting file Jim.

That sucker is a bit quicker than CONCORDE.

I'll be interested in reading a first hand account of it later on .... if you care to post your impressions here.

Mark C
AKL/NZ

[jimhalinda]

Well I haven't tried it yet, but like version 1, it uses the Concorde airframe type in the .air file (number 5943) which, while giving the TU-144 the proper flight characteristics (of a delta-wing), also has a built-in top speed limitation of Mach 2 (thanks to Microsoft). So even though the TU-144 could cruise faster than Concorde in real life, you are limited to Mach 2 in FS2004.

Incidentally, although the real TU-144 could cruise faster, documentation from Tupolev states that they usually kept the cruise speed down to Mach 2 anyway.

Finally, the TU-144 could achieve higher airspeeds at lower altitudes than Concorde (e.g. You can't do 300 knots in a Concorde at 5000 feet), so if you 'ride the barberpole' during your climb (i.e. stick to the max speed allowable at any given altitude), I think you will get to cruise speed more quickly in the TU-144 anyway. So you'll still have an edge over the Concorde in the sim.

Do Svedanya,

Jim

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

Incidentally, although the real TU-144 could cruise faster, documentation from Tupolev states that they usually kept the cruise speed down to Mach 2 anyway.

Apparently TU144 became unstable in the cruise when operated at extremely high MACH numbers .... which is probably why it was flown slower, but still, some 100 MPH faster than CONCORDE.

Appearently also .... the Russians were never able to resolve this instability problem ..... so Colin BALLANTINE (a UK expert on all Soviet civil aviation matters prior to his passing away a few years ago) told me back in the mid 1980's.

Pitty about the FS speed limitation though !

I didn't know that !

Mark C
AKL/NZ

[Tony Madge - HJG]

Concordski also had to use reheat whilst in cruise to keep high Mach numbers, Concorde did not, it also was a design disaster compared to clean Concorde lines, the engines were very 2nd best and overall lacked suitability for the routes it was used on, even the Russkies who would preserve dropped it very quickly.
The model in FS does look very good I tried the Version 1 and was impressed, just them weird Russian panels always put me off

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

Concordski also had to use reheat whilst in cruise to keep high Mach numbers

OOPS .... that certainly wouldn't aid fuel economy .... I guess !

Getting on to other great RUSKIES for FS ....

A "RUSKIE" panel I'd like to see redeveloped for FS2004 is the FS2002 TU104 .... Russia's first ever civil jetliner !

Benoit and myself even made a (yet unreleased) soundpack for it !

We never ever did get that radio navigation panel working desirably .... which I think was the only disappointing feature of the whole TU104 package as I recall.

HMMM .... sounds like another potential co-operative development for George to pursue.

He'll get the TU104 working .... for sure !!!!

The other "RUSKIES" I particularly like are the TU114 .... probably because of its highly swept wing with those huge contra-rotating turboprop propellers.

And I also particularly like the TU154 too .... anyone who likes the CV990 should also enjoy the TU154 for its speed if nothing else !!!!

I've never heard much though regarding the IL62 that was released a little while back

Can anyone offer some intelligent feedback on this one ?

Mark C
AKL/NZ

[cx880]

I've got my copy downloaded; if all goes well, I'll get to try her out later tonight. Thank God I spent many hours in the late 1990s playing Flanker, or else I'd be up the creek. Where's my bloody MiG-31 helmet, anyways?

Speaking as a 990 fan, I was never fond of tri-jets except for the TriStar, and the -154 looks too much like a 727 for me to be a big fan. On the other hand, I've always been intrigued by the -114, but I'm in no hurry to hear those giant engines, reportedly the loudest in the world.

If it's Il-62s you want, go see David Maltby. I hear he has the original. ;p

[cx880]

Aug 25, 2008 21:22:02 GMT aerofoto - HJG Admin said:

Getting on to other great RUSKIES for FS ....

The greatest Russian aircraft for MSFS is, clearly, the MiG-31 Firefox. ;D

[jimhalinda]

A TU-104 panel by George would be awesome! And an Aeromusica TU-104 soundpack would be icing on the cake!

I tried may times to edit and/or merge the cfg and air files just to get it to fly OK, but never came up with something that worked.

Regards,

Jim

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

I'd better clarify .... or .... I'm potentially gonna end up in some very hot water with a few people here ! ;D

A TU-104 panel by George would be awesome!

Actually .... I was meaning an upgrade of it's existing panel which is very good indeed .... in my oppinion.

As I recall only its the radio navigation system that has never worked properly .... which is what needs fixing.

And an Aeromusica TU-104 soundpack would be icing on the cake!

The soundpack is "READY NOW" .... I've just never uploaded it anywhere .... yet !

I've always been intrigued by the -114, but I'm in no hurry to hear those giant engines, reportedly the loudest in the world.

I dunno about them being the loudest .... but .... as I recall .... the TU114 was certainly among the fastest and most long ranging of the turboprop airliners.

Mark C
AKL/NZ

[Tony Madge - HJG]

Mig 31 Firefox ..thanks for the link, I loved the film now I can try the plane

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

I must admit .... I do find Russian civil aviation quite fascinating

My old aviation photo colleague Colin BALLANTINE (whom I met in New Zealand whilst he lived here) used to thrive on this stuff .... ever since when as a teenager he personally witnessed and photographed the very first western appearance of TU104 during a Russian state visit to London during March 1956. The TU104 was a complete surprise to the west .... whom until this particular visit had no knowledge of the Russian's having successfully developed a civil jetliner. Colin's interest fascination with Russian aircraft was motivated by the first western appearance of this aircraft and over following years .... until the collapse of communism at least .... he took some incredible risks venturing behind the "iron curtain" and managed to successfully complete a lot truly amazing photography of both Russian civil and even military aircraft. An adventure to look back on now .... but if caught ..... most certainly courting a "death sentence" (or a lengthy term of imprisonment as a "spy" at the very least) way back then. Colin was actually aprehended by different levels of Soviet authority on any number of occasions. In the process he lost (got confiscated) God only knows how many cameras and films over the years, but, having the gift of the gabb he always managed to talk/wriggle his way out of every situation he ever got himself into .... and he still went back for more too. Prior to his passing away a few years back he had by then photographed some 3,000 individual Soviet built aircraft. Quite an interesting character .... in many more ways than one really !

This evening .... and after a few ice cold STOLICHNAYA's and MOSKOVSKAYA's ;D .... along with a bit of red sausage too .... this discussion about classic Russian airliners (TU144 CONCORDSKI at least) for FS, prompted me to drag these great Russian classics out of my FS2004 hangar .... and give them a good "run-up" .... it'd been a while !

Starting with the first Soviet jetliners .... TU104 .... full of mystique and a real classic if ever there was one !

AEROFLOT TU104-A (1960)


AEROFLOT TU104-A (1980)


CHEKOVSLOVENSKIE AEROLINIE TU104-A (1960's) .... the only other known civil operator of the TU104 other than AEROFLOT


CHEKOVSLOVENSKIE AEROLINIE TU104-A (1950's)


AEROFLOT TU104-SH ..... with its long solid nose and underwing probes this was a navigation trainer .... or so they used to tell us ! ;D


Not a jetliner .... but .... still as fascinating now as it was "BIG" back then .... here's the amazing TUPOLEV TU114. This was for a time the world largest civil airliner until the arrival of DC8-61 & -63 SERIES aircraft. It's still ranks today among the largest, fastest, and most long ranging of all turboprop airliners ....

AEROFLOT TU114 (1960) .... this particular aircraft was actually operated under a code-share arrangement that existed between AEROFLOT and JAPAN AIR LINES on the Tokyo/Moscow route during the very early 1960's .... believe it or not !


AEROFLOT TU114 (1970)


RUSSIAN STATE TRANSPORT AUTHORITY TU114 .... once used by minister HRUSHEV and others of the Kremlin !


And closely resembling the earlier TU104 is the smaller, more efficient and successful TU124 ....

AEROFLOT TU124 (1962)


AEROFLOT TU124 (1974)


CHEKOVSLOVENSKIE AEROLINIE TU124


INTERFLUG TU124


It'd be nice to see some pictures of the new TU144 "CONCORDSKI" .... spitting fire and sparks (I assume it'll do all that and more when the afterburners are activated) .... if anyone cares to post any !

Mark C
AKL/NZ

[jimhalinda]

Mark,

Is your TU-104 actually flyable? When I used to fly that one (with its original FDE), it had strange behaviours that I thought were typical of some early FS2002 jets that didn't fly well in FS2004. That's ultimately why I abandoned this aircraft.

I would have thought by now that somebody would have updated the FDE by now, but the few things I have found and tried only made things worse. Not being able to speak or read Russian, I don't know if there is a good fix out there.

Can you shed any light on this?

Jim

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

YEAH .... my TU104 flies like a bird .... and roars like a prehistoric beast that it is !

As mentioned above .... the only thing that didn't work properly was the radio navigation panel (or it might have been the AP .... I honestly can't remember now) .... as I recall.

I got my main files from AVSIM .... as I recall .... but .... I think I also updated them later with stuff obtained from one of the following Russian FS websites below ....

TU104 WEBSITE
tu104.avsim.ru/e_news.html

TU104 PANEL/ENGLISH
www.pier3.org/misc/tu-104_panel_english.zip

RUSSIAN FS AIRCRAFT
rusaviagold.narod.ru/aircraft.htm

PLEASE NOTE .... I've had these links for a while now and haven't checked them before posting here, so, I have to assume they still work. "IF" the above links don't work then all may not be lost .... just refer to the following AVSIM and FLIGHTSIM related data

FYI .... here's a list of locations, filenames, and sizes etc for each of the other great Russian classics illustrated above ....


AVSIM FILES


TU104-A (3 pack)
tu104a_v1.zip (3.3mb)

TU104-SH
tu104sh_v1.zip (1.6mb)

TU104 CSA
tu104csa.zip (4.6mb)

TU-124 package
scs_sd_tu124_100.zip (26mb)

TU114 Aeroflot 1960's (base pack)
tupolev114_install.zip (24.9mb)

TU114 Aeroflot 1970's
tu114_aer70_install.zip (13.6mb)

TU114 Aeroflot/JAL
tu114_jal_install.zip (14.1mb)

TU114 Aeroflot 1990's
texture.tu114_90.zip (30.3mb)

TU-124 package
scs_sd_tu124_100.zip (26mb)


FLIGHTSIM.COM FILES


TU104B UPDATE tu104bup.zip (1mb) .... I don't know much about this file. It may only be for the Rui CRISTINA TU104 model and not the above illustrated vesion released by the Russian FS developers

TU114 Aeroflot 1970
tu114upt.zip (11.2mb)

TU114 Aeroflot 1990
tu114_90.zip (11.4 mb)

TU144 Base Pack
tvatu144.zip (20mb)

TU124 Base Pack Aeroflot
scs_sd_tu124_100.zip (26mb)

TU124 Interflug
scs_tu-124_interflug.zip (1.1mb)

Hopefully some of the stuff up there will help you (and others too) Jim !

I've also sent you a PM too Jim

Mark C
AKL/NZ

[George Carty - HJG]

With concerns over high oil prices, I wonder if a modern-day version of the Tu-114 (ie turboprops on a swept wing) may end up being built?

I also think it would be nice if the Russians came back into the airliner industry in a big way, in order to break the Boeing/Airbus duopoly.