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Post by amr on Nov 24, 2009 0:16:31 GMT
Hi, I have some questions about the DC8 lighting system (sorry, I didn't found data in the DC8 Panel installation and Handling notes..  ). 1- On the overhead, the rotating switch for panel lighting (top left of overhead) is misplaced on Ship One, -10 and -30 panels (not checked on -20 and -40 because I didn't d/l them... On models -50 and above, placement is correct). By "misplaced", I mean : the button seems to have the same coordinates as for the later models, but the background bitmap is different so the button should be placed a little lower (sorry, I haven't a panel design software to assess the correct value). 2- I have no idea about the use of the WING FLOOD/GND FLOOD switch. 3- On Ship One, even when both taxi and landing lights are OFF, from the cockpit view the ground ahead of the aircraft is lighted. (only from flight deck view, there is no light in external view). This seems specific to Ship One. 4- The WING RETRACT acts as a toggle (if the lights are already retracted, they extend). Maybe this is due to the fact that the tail-hook is managed as a toggle by FS itself ? Depending on the previous commands, you can land with either the 4 landing lights (inners and outers), or only with the 2 inners lights. 5- This WING buttons set to RETRACT position seems not to be spring-loaded to OFF if you stay in the flight deck, but if you switch to external view and then back to flight deck, the buttons are found in OFF position. 6- Similar behaviour applies to NOSE but more surprising : if set to LANDING they remain there, but if the view is changed to external and back to flight deck, they have moved to TAXI position. 7- About NOSE : TAXI and LANDING positions seem to produce the same brightness (usually, taxi lights are dimmer). 8- On Ship One, the outer right landing light remains lit even when retracted (there is a light spot on the ground below the wing when retracted, and a light beam when extended. Again, this seems specific to Ship One. Sorry if the above has already been reported. |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Nov 24, 2009 2:24:43 GMT
There are significant differences between DC8 SHIP ONE, DC8-10/20/20/40 OVERHEAD panels .... and minor differences only between those for DC8-50/61 and DC8-63/71/72/73 panels. Regadless .... you should be seeing nothing less than perfectly aligned lighting switches, and other instruments, on each of these panels .... at least I am anyway. If I'm understanding you correctly ....  A discrepancy like this might only occur if one, for any reason, managed to get either their PANEL.CFG files or OVERHEAD panel BMP files mixed-up during the pre-installation process .... whilst perhaps not being aware of the differences which do exist between these in terms of the locations of various switches etc. These panel/instrument alignments were all fine when these panels were last uploaded .... back around December/Christmas of 2007. So far as I'm aware, nothing has been changed by us since that time .... and .... I'm not aware of any other such discrepencies having been reported by anyone else since that time either It does seem that both the "NOSE/TAXI/LANDING LIGHT" switch (the bottom left lighting toggle switch) on the DC8 SHIP ONE overhead panel is not working properly .... you are correct about this detail at least.Given our other priorities "HERE", at this time, I can't say when we'll be able to upload a fix for this. Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by amr on Nov 24, 2009 21:29:11 GMT
If I'm understanding you correctly .... OK, I have made some small screen captures of that part of the overhead, to make it clearer. One for Ship One, one for -10 and one for -50. Unfortunately, I do not know how to insert them directly within a post  (I'm not familiar with this feature of forums). Anyway, you can have a look there: haidf.asso.fr/Ship%20One.bmphaidf.asso.fr/DC8-10.bmphaidf.asso.fr/DC8-50.bmpI guess the gauge is this one (in [Window02] section) : gauge14=DC8sw!FLOOD_SW, 16,28,30 I checked it has exactly the same coordinates (16,28) on all these panels (as the above captures show), despite these panels **are** different. Sure, I simply downloaded all panels I needed and installed each of them "as is", without any modification, in <FS9>\aircraft\fsfsconv as required. I did the same some month ago with the B707 and had no problems at all. I perfectly understand your priorities problem (and anyway, it does not really prevent me from flying the aircraft...  ). I just wanted to mention it for a future update. As I mentioned, I have no panel design software, so all I can do is the old-fashioned "trial and error" way. If I manage to get the correct values, I sure will let you know (as a "payback" for getting these aircrafts for free). |
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Post by amr on Nov 24, 2009 22:00:19 GMT
I managed it quickier than expected...
The correct value is :
gauge14=DC8sw!FLOOD_SW, 16,54,30
I tested it successfully on Ship One, -10 and -30; sorry I do not have -20 (should apply also) and -40 (do not know this one). Nothing to change for -50 and later.
Hope it helps.
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Post by Dan K. Hansen on Nov 24, 2009 23:32:31 GMT
FSX or FS9 ?
I actually saw this so long time ago I can't even remember it myself :-)
I just corrected the entry in the cfg file then and forgot all about it until you just mentioned it again :-)
Should have fixed all together when I saw it then ... thanks for bringing it to our attention. There are and will be quite a few things here and there that slips through Mark's keen but sore eyes :-) He is in fact our only real hardcore tester apart from Joe Public, so any help in finding flaws are more than welcome :-)
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Nov 25, 2009 5:16:15 GMT
AH HA .... I think I'm getting my head around all this now ;D I've had a look at each of your 3 images. It seems that the MAIN INSTRUMENT LIGHTS switch on both the DC8 SHIP ONE 1959 and DC8-10 Overhead Panels iis indeed located too high (looks like DC8-50 position co-ordinates to me) and needs to be set lower This same switch on the DC8-50 panel is correctly placed however. I haven't had time yet to verify this switch on both the DC8-20 and 30 Overhead Panels, but, given their similarities to the DC8-10 Overhead then the same DC8 SHIP ONE 1959 and DC8-10 MAIN INSTRUMENT LIGHTS switch issue might apply to these too. I'll try'n confirm this that later during the week when I can get back onto the other FS PC here .... when I have time  ;D The only other discrepancy I can confirm, as stated yesterday, is that the DC8 SHIP ONE 1959 panel "NOSE/TAXI/LANDING LIGHT" switch isn't working correctly. This's something I'll have to discuss later on with George. I'm not sure if this particular issue is gauge, CFG .... or even model related .... I say model related only because the DC8 SHIP ONE 1959 model is in fact a slightly different/earlier vintage than that of all our other DC8 models. Thanks Dan ! YES .... folks .... that's "THE TRUTH"  As thorough as I am .... or "TRY" to be .... it's always very easy for me, alone, to miss something/details like these .... and more-so when dealing with files on mass .... as I'm often doing too  SORRY !!!! Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by amr on Nov 26, 2009 0:03:54 GMT
FS9. Don't loose time to check -30 panel, it indeed shows the same problem. I guess -20 panel too, but I have not downloaded it so I cannot confirm. I do not know -40 panel (I didn't downloaded this variant). In fact, I mentioned three kinds of problems : - Those specific to Ship One (items 3 & 8 in my first post of this thread), which should be a model problem,
- Those related to switch operation (items 4 to 6), which apply to every panel I've downloaded (Ship One, -10, -30, -50, -61, -62/63, -70), and should be a gauge problem;
- Item 7, which applies to all variants of the plane I've got (corresponding to above panels), and can be model and/or gauge problem.
Don't mind, I just wanted to help... |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Nov 26, 2009 0:45:11 GMT
"IF" .... the DC8 SHIP ONE 1959 external lighting problem proves to be a model issue then we're not going to be able to resolve it. As stated yesterday .... this particular model is an earlier vintage/production than that of all our other DC8 models and we no longer have access to the Source Code for it.
In the meantime .... I've established that the "WING LIGHTS EXTEND/RETRACT" switches are indeed working correctly on this panel (at least they do for me) and do provide lesser intensity ground illumination, but, the actual "NOSE/TAXI/LANDING LIGHT" switch ( only) is completely unresponsive in terms of providing any ground illumination at all .... and as reported by you. So .... with the knowledge that one type of ground illumination works fine whilst the other doesn't .... then this may be gauge issue .... I just don't know at this stage.
The soft ground illumination in front of DC8 SHIP ONE 1959 when all external lighting is selected "OFF" .... I can't comment at all regarding.
The MAIN INSTRUMENT LIGHTS switch on the DC8-40 panel "WILL" be similarly displaced .... because it's position corresponds precisely to that of the same switch on the DC8 SHIP ONE 1959, DC8-10, -20, and -30 panels. Revised switch co-ordinates for its correct relocation will resolve this particular issue .... when we can get around to doing so !
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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(I'm not familiar with this feature of forums).
). I just wanted to mention it for a future update.
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