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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jan 17, 2010 7:15:41 GMT
Most of the SMOKE EFFECTS files we offer have been available here for quite a few years now .... and do work !
Be sure to install these smoke effects files inside the FS "EFFECTS" folder.
Please note also ....
1. These smoke effects work on the basis of throttle detente .... that is to say they only work, intentionally, throughout the high power regime.
2. Some of our aircraft don't, purposely, have any smoke effects at all .... such as B707-700, ALL CFM56 ENGINED C135 TYPE AIRCRAFT, and DC8-71/72/73 aircraft. These latter aircraft engines are virtually "smokeless" in the realword .... hence no smoke effects.
All our other aircraft (excluding BAe 146/ARJ aircraft) do have smoke effects .... varying between heavy and standard effects .... and which work wonderfully well provided that the correct effects files are installed inside the correct FS folders.
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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Post by George Carty - HJG on Jan 17, 2010 12:14:51 GMT
The smoke effects only work on the basis of throttle detent if you are using the HJG panels. Otherwise you will need to turn them on manually (I think it's the "I" key)...
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jan 17, 2010 20:44:00 GMT
AH HA .... YES .... that then "IS" you problem !  Our smoke effects are intended to work with our own ppanels .... and gauge proogramming in particular. They likely wont work at all with other panels/gauge programming. Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by jonm on Jun 21, 2010 2:01:45 GMT
Have a strange smoke effects problem. I've had the 707-420 for quite a while, and the smoke works fine. Just downloaded the 707-120 tonight, and no smoke at all...tried to re-download the 707 smoke effects and confirmed they were located in the "effects" folder. No clue why I'm seeing smoke on teh 420, but not the 120?!?! Any ideas?
Thanks!
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jun 21, 2010 4:48:47 GMT
"B707-120" .... the old turbojet powered sucker. You need to be aware of the following details .... This aircraft must be used with our/HJG B707-120 1959 panel .... and the same applies also in respect of the B707-138 (essentially a shortened -120) which requires the B707-138 1959 panel. Unless HJG panels are used the Smoke Effects cannot work automatically .... like they should and dependent on throttle axis .... due to the panel/gauges (engine EGT)/effects relationship. If our/HJG panels aren't being used then the keyboard "I" command needs being toggled to manually select these effects "ON/OFF". For the B367-80, B707-120, and B707-138, and for the early KC135-A, NKC135-A, and VC137-A aircraft too .... the panels for these aircraft feature Water/Methanol Injection switches which must be activated to boost engine T/O thrust .... and which (I think) also trigger the Smoke Effects .... and also .... that once these Effects are activated, on tjust these aircraft types only, you will have approximately 3 minutes of smoke/fireworks only. Unlike is the case with all of our other aircraft, these smoke effects do not, unfortunately, remain constant. Here's a few images showing what you should be getting/seeing anyway ....      Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by gus on Jun 21, 2010 7:52:00 GMT
Hello, For those who want absolutely (for any reasons) use different panels than those provided by HJG and keep automatic the smoke effect (I mean instead use the I key) it's a freeware gauge available. It's just to read completely the explainations provided .. and with some editing you will have autosmoke and you can use the smoke effect of HJG . The gauge is available there: (Avsim) Regards.  |
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Post by jonm on Jun 21, 2010 19:31:45 GMT
Mark,
I did get some intermittent smoke when I turned on the water injection. Seemed to come and go. FYI, I am using the proper HJG panel.
On another note, wow, the -120 really was a dog...my old Chevy Chevette probably accelerated faster 0-60!!! Of course, anything above 70MPH was tough, unless I was going downhill!
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jun 22, 2010 3:35:05 GMT
From what you've decribed there Jon .... I'd say everything is working properly and as intended.
B707-120 aircraft using the HJG B707-120 1959 panel only.
MAX engine thrust for T/O .... with all 4 Water Injection switches selected "ON". Remember .... this will provide approximately 3 minutes (only) of "heavy smoke effects" .... before these run out/expire. This's intended to represent/simulate the "roughly 3 minutes" duration of the Water/Methanol solution used to boost the T/O engine performance of these old aircraft/early turbojet engines. This Water/Methanol solution is what resulted in those very thick trails of sooty black smoke behind these aircraft after departure.
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEP .... that's precisely what you should be observing .... SO ..... do be sure you select a very "l----o----n----g" RWY if operating at or near MGTOW.
At MGTOW .... FLAP 20 should result in this aircraft using more than 3/4 of the default KSEA RWY to get airborne (and the KC135-A is even more demanding) .... and .... FLAP 30 should result in this aircraft using about 3/4 of the default KSEA RWY just to get airborne.
For shorter RWY's one needs to drop payload or fuel .... or both .... in order to get airborne. B707-120 aircraft (like the DC8-10 too) were underpowered !
Historically and in realwold operations .... payload needed to be droppped/sacrifised in order to carry fuel so as to maximize range .... or .... the fuel dropped/sacrifised in order to carry payload, but, which also then impaired range.
PAN AMERICAN B707-120's (like the BOAC COMET 4's too) could not fly non-stop between New York, Paris, or London without an en-route refuelling stop at either Gandar, Keflavik, or Shannon .... except in the most favourable conditions .... with good tail winds all or most of the way across the Atlantic.
Hope these details help folk understand these aircraft a little better.
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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