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Post by flugkapitan on Jun 6, 2010 23:49:01 GMT
Greetings! I've flown the 30 series on about a dozen flights now, and this one amazing package! However, I've had a couple of anomalies that I'm hoping that someone might be able to shed some light upon. I'm running FS9 on a Win XP machine. The only addons I'm running are Radar Contact (the latest version), FSUIPC (registered), and the FSAirlines client. It has happened twice now on final approach that I've gotten a very loud, and very annoying constant warning tone/horn. Nothing was illuminated on the on the overhead warning annunciator panel & the caution/master warning lights also were not illuminated. No amount switch flipping would silence the tone/horn. The aircraft was properly configured for landing. Last night I had this happen again. However an additional twist to this was that the cabin and underneath cargo doors came open while I was on final approach (just prior to the outer marker) along with that very annoying warning tone. In this instance the door warning lights were illuminated. I did not select the doors to be opened in flight  Regarding that warning tone/horn, I thought it might be pressurization oriented and I have taken care to lower the cabin altitude once I get into the mid - teens (and lower) of altitude. That did not seem to make a difference. One other time whilst taxiing to the active runway, the cabin door and underneath cargo door opened all of their own accord - there was no input from the pilot (me). As I mentioned, this does not happen with every flight, but it is most disconcerting when it does. I have read the manual 3 times now, but could not find a cause or solution in it...unless I'm blind, which is entirely possible  Cheers, Scott KJMS (or thereabouts) |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jun 7, 2010 0:13:36 GMT
I did experience a long and constant horn which I could not silence (that I later identified as the GEAR WARNING) "twice only" during my entire 10 month testing of each of these panels. However my own circumstances regarding this appear to be "quite different" from that of your own experience. In my case I literally dived the aircraft from 31,000 FT and to within 3,000 FT of the ground .... with the spoilers extended .... and which then seemed to activate the alarm at around 3,000 FT .... and which I could not then silence. I performed this diving test many times .... a couple of times with with each panel version .... at least .... but .... the alarm/tone only ever activated on these "2 occasions" .... despite my repetitive testing process over the stated 10 month period. I've never got to the bottom of this .... and it seemed such a rare event that I eventually never bothered wroting it up either. Like you .... I too, at the time, wondered if this might have been pressurization related, but, haven't been able to come to any conclusion !  I've "NEVER" experienced any door related problems though  Have you made any CFG modifications that might implicate the doors ? Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by flugkapitan on Jun 7, 2010 0:26:59 GMT
Hi Mark,
Thanks for the quick reply!
No, the only modifications I've made to the cfg file is when I've added the aircraft information for different textures/liveries. I haven't touched anything else in the cfg.
I see the common denominator is that in you case and mine, we were within 3000' of the ground or less....but, unlike you, I was not diving towards terra firma. I was in level or gently descending flight on the localizer.
If it is the gear warning horn that is making that noise maybe I'll "remark" it out to disable it...kind of hate to do that, though.
Cheers,
Scott
KJMS (or thereabouts)
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jun 7, 2010 2:22:11 GMT
Remark it out .... "TEMPORARILY ONLY" .... and then repeat your flight scenarios over the next few days .... only to verify whether or not it is actually the GEAR WARNING HORN which is causing your problem .... and get back to me/us please !
"IF IT IS" .... then I can't think, for the life of me, what could be triggering it !
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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Post by flugkapitan on Jun 7, 2010 2:36:38 GMT
Will do. Matter of fact I'm going to re-fly the flight where it happened last night in about an hour or so. I'll be doing some more flights over the next few days and let you know what I find...Herr Admiral Cheers, Scott KJMS (or thereabouts) |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jun 7, 2010 2:49:08 GMT
There's 2 WAV files, within the panel SOUNDS lot, and both feature precisely the same tone.
These WAV samples appear to be as follows ....
LADGEAR.WAV
and ....
GEARHORN
Test/playback each of these by clicking on them, individually, and confirm whether or not this's the same tone which you're hearing.
"IF IT IS" .... then my next question will be what scenario/event could possibly be triggering these WAV's during an apparently normal descent situaction like that which you've described .... unless your descent rate did get a wee bit high during the approach and which is what might, possibly, have triggered it !
Apart from the scenario which I forced upon myself "twice" during testing .... I can't otherwise seem to trigger this alarm/warning at all !
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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Post by flugkapitan on Jun 7, 2010 6:09:52 GMT
Hi Mark,
Yes those were exactly the tones/sounds I have gotten during approach. I'll experiment further. I don't know why they triggered. If no one else is reporting this I guess it must be on my end. Not sure why...
Cheers,
Scott
KJMS (or thereabouts)
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jun 7, 2010 8:07:04 GMT
HMMM .... I'm buggered if I can put a finger on it either !  I only ever experienced it "twice" during 10 months of testing .... and both of those times only as the result of a rediculously unrealistic dive from 31,000 FT. I've "NEVER ..... EVER" experienced it during any approach to landing though .... and YEAH .... you're the very first person to report it .... along with that other door related issue you reported too. Sorry I can't, myself, seem throw any further light on this !  Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by diair01 on Jun 8, 2010 0:05:24 GMT
I too have had this happen...however mine was out of 3000 ft on a departure climb. I must have hit every button and switch trying to silence it and finally found the gear horn silence button to the left of the landing light switches. The DC9-30 I was flying was properly configured for the climb and the gear was not down. As for the doors opening it is probably related to Radar Contact. Sometimes I cannot close some doors unless I exit out of RC first. I think some of the RC commands overide the FS commands at times.
I have also had a problem with setting a transponder code in the DC9-10. No matter what I did it would not move the numbers. I switched to a DC9-30 and made the change, then switched back to the -10 and it was changed.
Very nice package though...better than payware by far.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jun 8, 2010 3:05:18 GMT
On the basis of feedback from both "FLUGKAPITAN" and "DIAIR01" .... it looks like there may be potential for the GEAR WARNING HORN to be triggered, automatically, under some (yet to be detrermined) circumstances .... and so far during either one of the following 2 scenarios ....
SCENARIO 1
SCENARIO 2
PLEASE NOTE .... I still can't reproduce either of these scenarios with my own DC9 aircraft/panel installation .... and .... these 2 reports are the only cases which I'm so far aware of .... other those 2 (only) different experiences I ghad during my own testing and as mentioned earlier within this thread.
FLUGKAPITAN .... on the upper portion of the Main Panel, and below the windshield, are a pair of switches labelled "WING LDG LTS".
Just to the left of this pair of switches is a very small grey button labelled "GEAR HORN OFF" .... I actually missed this button during testing, so, thanks "DIAIR01".
If you can duplicate the circumstances which trigger this alarm to activate in your simulation .... then using you Mouse Curser .... can you please click on this button ("once only") .... and advise me whether or not doing this then silences the horn.
Get basck to me ASAP .... please .... and if necessary I will update my notes accordingly !
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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Post by flugkapitan on Jun 8, 2010 5:51:46 GMT
Success! Thank you Mark & DIAIR01. When I got Mark's note I happened to be in FS9 descending from cruise about 100nm out of my destination KCHS. I paused and went into the sound cfg file and removed the remark from the landing gear warning (just to be sure of a good test). I continued the flight and on approach I got the horn after I buggered things - on purpose this time  . I clicked on the button and sure enough, the horn was silenced!!! I also can't believe I missed that button Regarding the door issue, yes, once RC is loaded, certain key combination commands are not available (same for the FS Airlines client). Not sure what happened in my 2 instances...but I know that I hadn't touched any keys that should have triggered the doors to open. If the door issue happens again I'll post the details. It's great to find a solution to that warning horn. However it would be interesting to find out what parameters trigger it when it is not being done on purpose. Cheers, Scott KJMS (or thereabouts) |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Jun 8, 2010 6:01:38 GMT
EXCELLENT !  Thank you FLUGKAPITAN .... and thanks also to "DIAIR01" too. The cause may not be determined, but, at least we now appear to have a soluction for anyone else whom may ever be confronted with this issue in the future . I missed it too   ;D .... and that's despite being as thorough/meticulous as I normally am as well ;D I guess the very small placarding/labelling associated with that button doesn't help too much ;D I'll update my DC9 PANEL INSTALLATION & HANDLING NOTES with this new/latest information .... ASAP ! Mark C AKL/NZ
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. I clicked on the button and sure enough, the horn was silenced!!!
;D .... and that's despite being as thorough/meticulous as I normally am as well