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Post by jarmd80 on Sept 2, 2010 14:56:49 GMT
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Post by jarmd80 on Sept 2, 2010 16:11:16 GMT
Found the problem, you need the default FS Avionics Master on
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 2, 2010 16:34:36 GMT
It does "HELP" aulde son !
Also .... just looking at your images ....
If you're running the APU .... then both L GEN an R GEN BUS switches don't need to be activated. The center APU GEN BUS is sufficient .... as you've already, correctly, got the APU L and APU R BUS cnnected in the panel section below. You should, in this case, also have the DC BUS VOLT switch set to its "APU" position .... and .... the APU AIR switch should also be set to "ON" as well.
To help everyone .... I've written an extensive panel configuration, and, engine startup tutorial which itemises everything that needs to be set up in order to make these panels run properly .... and to start the engines. See my DC9 PANELS INSTALLATION & HANDLING NOTES posting on this same forum page.
If you're new to these DC9's (like most are) .... then I strongly recommend that you print and study this information .... and .... take time to familiarise yourself with and learn about the functionality of all the remaining panel instrumentation too. This information is intended to aid folk understandin and get the very best of enjoyment/satisfaction from using these DC9 panels.
One can't/shouldn't try'n "wing it" with these panels. They're a little too complex for that and do have an associated "learning curve".
Mark C
BOG/CO
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Post by jarmd80 on Sept 2, 2010 17:44:33 GMT
I'm used to payware planes, like LSH's MD-80 where that default control doesn't need to be used and why do I have the gen switches on? because with the electrical system in normal ops, with them off the eng gens wouldn't take over via the priority circuit that is freq controlled, the order is: EPU, APU, and Eng for those of us who don't know and yes I know the APU air switch should be on if I except to use the bleed air though most operators use external air as well as external pwr till ready for eng start. The panel doesn't model the pneumatics correctly, I can't supplement APU and eng bleed air during single eng taxi and for eng start of the second eng, which some operators do as much as they can, tired carrying out a eng start with the pack on the side of the non operating eng off that would be supplyed by the APU bleed air, crossfeed config is left closed cause I started 1 on the ramp and the right open and it wouldn't happen which I should have been able to do. I get a pressure reading with the APU air switch off and crossfeed valves closed, which I shouldn't get, the TRI doesn't compensate for the bleed demand by the packs. Something else I see is even with the fuel pumps on for the wings, with no fuel in the center or Aux tanks the engs are burning on the right tank only, why is this? I'm just asking cause this panel isn't modeled as fully as for example the LSH MD-80 which is a DC-9, but the -80  |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 2, 2010 18:58:04 GMT
Firstly .... all feedback is welcome .... positive or critical .... regardless ! The DC9 panel series we currently offer was origninally produced by Stellan HILMERBY (himself an SAS DC9 pilot whom acumulated many thousands of hours on the type before moving on/up .... as aircrew do) and based on an SAS coniguration. These panels were then, over the past 2 years, updated and improved by us (George CARTY primarily) for use with our own DC9 models. These panels were originally designed around an entirely different model. It also must be appreciated/understood that there are often "HUGE" discrepencies between realworld and FS operations .... FS imposing upon designers a finite number of paramaters that can be manipulated easily .... and .... which do often require various compromises in respect of both technical authenticity if not performance .... or both. There are also limitations in respect our "our own" abilities too in order to replicate the systems on various aircraft types which we represent. Therefore what we current have and any procedures prescribed by us are the result of these limiting factors .... if not for just general ease of operation by, maybe, less technically inclined end users ! ;D  Again .... all/any feedback/oppinion is welcome It won't necessarily influence our conclusions though ;D After all is said and done .... and despite whatever imperfections might then remain .... I still, personally, believe that the DC9 panel series which we/HJG offer is indeed the very best "freeware" versions for these aircraft currently available for FS. We/ HJG don't propose to modify any aspect of these current panel versions for a very long time .... if at all in the future  Mark C BOG/CO |
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Post by jarmd80 on Sept 2, 2010 19:33:34 GMT
Firstly .... all feedback is welcome .... positive or critical .... regardless ! The DC9 panel series we currently offer was origninally produced by Stellan HILMERBY (himself an SAS DC9 pilot whom acumulated many thousands of hours on the type before moving on/up .... as aircrew do) and based on an SAS coniguration. These panels were then, over the past 2 years, updated and improved by us (George CARTY primarily) for use with our own DC9 models. These panels were originally designed around an entirely different model. It also must be appreciated/understood that there are often "HUGE" discrepencies between realworld and FS operations .... FS imposing upon designers a finite number of paramaters that can be manipulated easily .... and .... which do often require various compromises in respect of both technical authenticity if not performance .... or both. There are also limitations in respect our "our own" abilities too in order to replicate the systems on various aircraft types which we represent. Therefore what we current have and any procedures prescribed by us are the result of these limiting factors .... if not for just general ease of operation by, maybe, less technically inclined end users ! ;D Again .... all/any feedback/oppinion is welcome It won't necessarily influence our conclusions though ;D After all is said and done .... and despite whatever imperfections might then remain .... I still, personally, believe that the DC9 panel series which we/HJG offer is indeed the very best "freeware" versions for these aircraft currently available for FS. We/ HJG don't propose to modify any aspect of these current panel versions for a very long time .... if at all in the future Mark C BOG/CO Oh no doubt it is for freeware and yep FS does have its limitations I guess for me it is very tough to see some developers model alot, not everything, and others not as much and except myself to use both panels with the same amount of work or exception that I can perform the same produces with all panels. |
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Post by jonm on Sept 2, 2010 19:43:15 GMT
Interestingly, I believe Stellan Hilmerby was also a beta tester on the LSH MD-80 payware (Stellan was also an MD-80 Captain at SAS...I think he might be on the A340 now).
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 2, 2010 20:23:39 GMT
WELL ;D .... speaking of ourselves and what I know we can achieve given the extent of our current knowledge/abilities .... We can only please some of the people .... some of the time .... BUT .... not all of the people all of the time .... without risking making everything just too difficult for most and which would then be a disadvantage ! I don't know in respect of the LSH product (which is a far more recent development beyond that of his original DC9 panels which he most graciously authorized us to further develop and host here, but, I suspect you're quite right in regard to his A340 promotion .... according to some photos I saw of him last year. Mark C BOG/CO |
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Post by Herman on Sept 3, 2010 0:08:18 GMT
I thought I would mention my experience dealing with the complexity of various FS aircraft, their panels and systems.
Several years ago I purchased a payware product featuring the Boeing 727 ( I wouldn't mention any names ).
Great looking airplanes, an amazing amount of detail and a couple of manuals that dealt with every aspect of operating these aircraft.
The problem was, that it took me about an hour to go through all the checklists, engine start up, and finally be ready for take off. With practice, this time could probably have been reduced, but I lost interest and never flew these planes again because it all seemed too overwhelming.
I suppose, with payware products everything has to be in the greatest of detail in order to satisfy the folks who expect that, but like in the real world, it sure would have been nice to have a co-pilot and flight engineer to help out. ;D ;D ;D
The moral of this story....for FS purpose....have a balance of realism and simplicity.
Herman
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 3, 2010 0:18:10 GMT
You nailed it buddy ! That's precisely what our DC9 panels are intended to deliver .... and do deliver too .... I feel ! PERSONALLY .... I like "complexity" .... even more-so than that our current DC9 panel series .... but .... it depends upon what folk want out of FS .... and that differs markedly from individual to individual. Some like nothing more than real simplicity .... push the throttles forward and it goes .... and with something to tell you how fast, high, and where you're going ! Some like something considerably better/more advanced/sophisticated than that ! And then there's others (like me) whom like their FS experience to be "an education" in aviation technology and its related conventions .... and whom like to experience, as best as their PC's and programs they own can possibly deliver, what it actually takes to manage aircraft like those which we offer here .... and whom then learn a hell of a lot more about these aircraft and aviation generally in the process. That's just my added 5 cents worth ! Mark C BOG/CO |
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Post by Herman on Sept 5, 2010 2:34:43 GMT
Well then Mark....Captain Sim aircraft payware is for you. It'll keep you busier than a one armed paper hanger. Herman |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 5, 2010 2:44:09 GMT
I might bear that in mind in the furture then Herman .... "IF" I ever get bored here !   ;D Mark C BOG/CO |
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