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Post by willemkelder on Sept 17, 2010 13:00:57 GMT
Hallo, I still have some strange problems with the INS in the Boeing 707 panel. Starting FS9 default airport KSEA and selecting the B707 on the runway 34R after switching off the INS system and stop the eng,s and park the 707 at a gate at KSEA (dark cockpit). Now i start with elec power on and load the INS system with the present position then align (fast) and after 65 then 55 green light on at msu panel and selecting to NAV position all normal.(happy) BUT Now i put the aircraft at KBOS or KMIA or other airports and do the exactly the same procedure the INS will hang at 65 and give error code 04 65 and 045 65. But at KSEA i can move the aircraft at every gate and everything works normal but as soon i use a other airport the INS will not load his position. I did the same with the DC8 with the CIVA INS installed and everything works fine at every airport.(happy) I installed the latest core file,s 1.5 hope you can help! rgds Willem PS: there was made a deal with me about some changes at the next update of B707 (420) core file,s about the flap position settings??
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Post by Dan K. Hansen on Sept 17, 2010 13:51:40 GMT
Hm... I'm pretty certain that we normally don't do "deals" with anybody, so I think you may have misunderstood that part of Marks reply ..... I read it as he confrimed the issue, but didn't had the time to make a fix at that moment. I'm preyyt sure that when, and onle when, he gets some time off his hands, he will look into it, but don't espect any kind of deals to be made. Unless of couser you have paid for our models...? regarding the INS issue, we'll have to get this confirmed, and if an issue is found, I'm sure our panel programmer will look into it. Btw. why would you first aling the INS and then move the aircraft ?? I fail to see the point of an alignment...?
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Sept 17, 2010 15:14:56 GMT
There's no problem with the B707 INS .... that I'm aware of .... and so long as it's programmed/imputted correctly ! It was well tested (by another member) before the latest version was released here .... including with FSNAV too Unfortunately I'm not sufficiently conversant with it's use as to be avble to guide anyone regarding it. INS is probably the only aspect of our B707/720 simulation that I don't have a good grip on .... I generally navigate VOR to VOR per paper charts .... and just "PLAIN OLD DEAD RECKONING" too. Can someone link me (per URL) back to my alledged comment regarding "THE DEAL" .... just so that I can clarify whatever it was that I then mentioned, or, comment further intelligently regarding it I can't seem to locate that specific posting ! ;D Sorry ! ;D Mark C BOG/CO
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Post by willemkelder on Sept 17, 2010 17:02:11 GMT
Hallo Mr Dan and Mr Mark,
Please ! don,t put the heat on to much on the so called "deal" it was only a question about flap settings the poll is still in forum.
Mr Dan, about your remark ( Btw. why would you first align the INS and then move the aircraft ?? I fail to see the point of an alignment...?) the INS is switched of and then moved to a other airport and aligned again and then problems starts.
Mr Mark if the INS is aligned it works very fine but this issue is what i found during flying and the only thing what i try is to give some feedback to the builders to improve there very nice products. i have great respect to the builders of these aircrafts.
thanks so far.
rgds Willem.
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Post by Dan K. Hansen on Sept 18, 2010 1:27:05 GMT
There can be faults when starting from another place than you ended. As the INS somehow remembeers your previous location. That may also be an issue with the CIVA (if you read the manual) ... I seem to remember that cancelling the errors, brings the INS back to act normal again, and you can then begin your new alignment ....
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Post by willemkelder on Sept 20, 2010 11:24:07 GMT
Mr Dan,
I think that is the problem i can not reset the last position as i can do in the CIVA system. Because i found that the default status of the B707 is as follows: Every time i start (load) the aircraft the INS is in NAV position, even when i save it as a flight with complete elec powerless aircraft with the INS in off position. So after i load the aircraft the INS is in NAV position and when i switch is off again and reset it like the CIVA INS i think i will still keep his latest position from the other airport and so it failed to align.
rgds Willem.
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Post by Dan K. Hansen on Sept 20, 2010 11:48:55 GMT
OK, in that case it's a case for our panel programmer George Carty.
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Post by Herman on Sept 20, 2010 16:50:06 GMT
Hello Willem; This link was provided to me by fellow HJG member "skyking". www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFO-ZbvjrEwIt is a INS tutorial in 4 parts and I found it very helpfull. Herman
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Post by George Carty - HJG on Sept 20, 2010 17:07:03 GMT
I think you need to enter the position of your new starting airport (MSU in STBY mode, CDU in WPT mode, waypoint 0) before attempting to align the INS.
George
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Post by willemkelder on Sept 21, 2010 9:25:43 GMT
Hallo Mr Herman,
Thanks for the link (sorry but it does,t work) but i found some things on you tube but these are only about the Carousel INS systems which i have installed on the HJG DC8 and these are working fine no problems with aligning. But the integrated INS system from HJG panel for the B707 give problems with the aligning.
Hallo Mr George,
It is only possible to enter the 0 waypoint after aligning of the INS (sorry) As i mentioned above it is the HJG integrated INS who give the aligning problems.
rgds Willem.
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Post by Dan K. Hansen on Sept 21, 2010 10:15:26 GMT
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Post by willemkelder on Sept 21, 2010 18:49:04 GMT
Hallo Mr Dan, This is one image of the problem the position entry is not the same this happens after inserting the last digit of the west entry will change when you push on insert. And here are the fault codes. And these are not resettable. Hope this will help a little bit more rgds Willem.
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Post by Dan K. Hansen on Sept 21, 2010 20:04:43 GMT
Looks like you are about to insert waypoints between 6 and 7 ...?
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Post by willemkelder on Sept 21, 2010 21:13:34 GMT
Hallo Mr Dan,
The situation is still in the aligning mode and i am not inserting the way points yet and during this period the waypoints indicator flashes between 6/7 or 8/9 or 1/2 changes every time.
At the PI indicator you see the codes 004 65 and 045 65 and it stops aligning at this point to get the green light on it has to go to at least 55. And this has nothing to do with the waypoints yet.
rgds Willem.
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Post by Dan K. Hansen on Sept 21, 2010 23:42:16 GMT
Unfortunately I do not have the sourcecode, so I cannot tell you what the error-code mean, I'm sure that would be helpfull.
Can't you reset these errors? and then re-align?
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