FSX crashes after loading panel 727

[mikearuba]

Good day,

Thank you for developing such wonderful aircraft, I just hope I will have the chance to use it!

I've read through the forums and have not found anything that can fix my problem, so here it goes:

- I've installed the base file and textures for the aircraft, without panel nor sound.

- I load up FSX and test it out and the aircraft appears and flies well with a default 747 panel.

- Then I close FSX, install panel core gauge and sound files and edit the panel.cfg as necessary in my aircraft.

- I restart FSX, select my aircraft, and FSX crashes.

What did I do wrong?

I am using the correct panel.cfg in my FSFSCONV and have installed all the files I need per the "readme" instructions.

What's wrong?


Cheers,

Mike

[kenwig0556]

This isn't a very "scientific" answer, Mike, but its based on a lot of practical experience: AFTER making sure you've got your setup correct (those fsconv setups are just another layer to get right, in my opinion, and I don't like utilizing them), go and execute a "clean default flight". That means loading an FSX default airplane, start it up, fly around a bit, land, shut it down, end the flight and EXIT FSX. Then, go back and try your new 727 again. FSX has a last flight memory function that it uses to "jumpstart" the next flight. When you changed the config from your first 727 flight to the second - thereby going from a default 747 panel to a third party panel - FSX freaked out and crashed. It does that. SDK says its designed to do that - crash when something is amiss. Weird, but true. Also, make double sure you've got all of your gauge files in the FSX root gauge directory. Failure to have all of the gauges and in the right place will crash the software also. Lastly, make double sure you've got the right panel variation for the sim (.air file) you are flying. Dan Hansen is the FSX guru around here and there are some other senior members who are FSX guys who can help you out on a more technical basis. But, until they get a chance to respond, try out my suggestion and let us know how it goes! Oh, one other thing: Sometimes, I have found that the 727 and 707 will load but I can't click on everything. When that happens, I just re-select the same aircraft from the open flight screen. That squares everything away.

[mikearuba]

Ken, thank you for your message. Unfortunately it didn't work. Oh man..

[kenwig0556]

Hang in there, Mike! It will get worked out. I'm sure the FSX cavalry is on the way....

*********************

I had this happen to me about 10 minutes ago and I thought about YOUR predicament: I had an HJG plane that I just loaded crash the software on me and when I troubleshot it I discovered I had inadvertantly substituted a "-" (dash) for a "_" (underscore) in the .air file name when I typed it in the aircraft config. Good time for you to carefully proofread your setup while your waiting for the pros to help you out! Good luck!

[mikearuba]

haha, nearly jinxed you there lol

[Dan K. Hansen]

Haven't been around the 727 panel, but is it crashes FSX, one thing to investigate is the panel.cfg. Open it in notepad, and try to see if there are any references to a file called something liek dsd_XML_ something .... older version of this files are known to crash fsx.

Unfortunately I'm not very much on to FS at the moment as real life is pressuring ...

[kenwig0556]

Mike, if you don't mind, probably the best way for the forum to help you out would be for you to first post your aircraft config portions listing the aircraft you have downloaded - the [fltsim.x] listings. Dan brings up a good point. Did you get your 727 here at HJG? Why don't you also post the panel config. With both of those in hand, the folks here can go a long way to diagnose the issue.

[mikearuba]

Dan and Ken, thanks a lot for your help. Yes, my 727 aircraft is from HJG. Here is some information that may be useful

Aircraft.cfg

[fltsim.0] // Change "xx" to next number in sequence starting from 0
title=Vistaliners Boeing 727-200 American Airlines 1968
sim=B727200_VL
model=
panel=
sound=
texture=american_airlines_1968_223_n6805
atc_id=N6805
atc_parking_codes=AAL
atc_heavy=0
atc_flight_number=223
atc_airline=AMERICAN
ui_manufacturer=Boeing
ui_type=727-200
ui_variation=American Airlines (1968)
description=N6805 727-223 First Flown March 12, 1968. \n This is a depiction of a circa 1968 paint scheme.\n\n This particular aircraft history is as follows:\n N6805 American AL Mar 68 type 223\n N6805 Private Jet leased Jun 94\n N6805 Kal American Int Jan 95\n\n Repaint by Tom "WillyVic" LeBlanc
visual_damage=1
atc_id_color=0x00000000
atc_id_font=Verdana,-11,1,600,0
id_font=Verdana,-11,1,600,0

panel.cfg (727 Early)

[fltsim]
alias=fsfsconv\panel.b727-200_early

FSFSCONV panel.b727-200_early

// Panel Configuration file
// Boeing 727-200
// Copyright (c) 2009 Richard Probst, George Carty.

[Window Titles]
Window00=Main Panel
Window01=Landing View
Window02=ADF/XPDR/Weather Radar/INS
Window03=COM/VOR/Autopilot
Window04=Lighting Panel
Window05=Throttle Quadrant
Window06=Battery Switch
Window07=Fuel Panel
Window08=Audio and Trim
Window09=Takeoff Table
Window10=Cruise Table
Window11=Landing Table
Window12=FE Report
Window13=Overhead panel
Window14=Windscreen Wiper

[Views]
VIEW_FORWARD_WINDOWS=MAIN_PANEL,RADIO_STACK_PANEL,20,COMPASS_PANEL
VIEW_FORWARD_DIR=2.0, 0.0, 0.0
VIEW_FORWARD_ZOOM=0.75

VIEW_FORWARD_RIGHT_WINDOWS=30
VIEW_FORWARD_RIGHT_DIR=0, 0.0, 45
VIEW_FORWARD_RIGHT_ZOOM=0.75

VIEW_RIGHT_WINDOWS=31
VIEW_RIGHT_DIR=-2.0, 0.0, 90.0
VIEW_RIGHT_ZOOM=0.75

VIEW_REAR_RIGHT_WINDOWS=32
VIEW_REAR_RIGHT_ZOOM=0.75

VIEW_REAR_WINDOWS=33
VIEW_REAR_DIR=1.0, 0.0, 200.0
VIEW_REAR_ZOOM=0.75

VIEW_REAR_LEFT_WINDOWS=34
VIEW_REAR_LEFT_ZOOM=0.75

VIEW_LEFT_WINDOWS=35
VIEW_LEFT_ZOOM=0.75

VIEW_FORWARD_LEFT_WINDOWS=36
VIEW_FORWARD_LEFT_DIR=1.0, 0.0, 315.0
VIEW_FORWARD_LEFT_ZOOM=0.75

VIEW_UP_WINDOWS=37
VIEW_UP_DIR=-90.0, 0.0, 0.0
VIEW_UP_ZOOM=0.85


// The following add passenger views from Kevin Sparkul

VIEW_FORWARD_LEFT_UP_WINDOWS=40 // LEFT WING VIEW, LEADING EDGE
VIEW_FORWARD_LEFT_UP_DIR=0.0, 0.0, 230
VIEW_FORWARD_LEFT_UP_EYE=0.0, 0.0, -15.50 // Adjust last value to move fore and aft
VIEW_FORWARD_LEFT_UP_ZOOM=0.50

VIEW_FORWARD_RIGHT_UP_WINDOWS=41 // RIGHT WING VIEW, LEADING EDGE
VIEW_FORWARD_RIGHT_UP_DIR=0.0, 0.0, 130
VIEW_FORWARD_RIGHT_UP_EYE=1.1, 0.0, -15.50 // Adjust last value to move fore and aft
VIEW_FORWARD_RIGHT_UP_ZOOM=0.50

VIEW_LEFT_UP_WINDOWS=42 // LEFT WING VIEW, TRAILING EDGE
VIEW_LEFT_UP_DIR=0.0, 0.0, 285
VIEW_LEFT_UP_EYE=0.0, 0.0, -25.50 // Adjust last value to move fore and aft
VIEW_LEFT_UP_ZOOM=0.50

VIEW_RIGHT_UP_WINDOWS=43 // RIGHT WING VIEW, TRAILING EDGE
VIEW_RIGHT_UP_DIR=0.0, 0.0, 75
VIEW_RIGHT_UP_EYE=1.1, 0.0, -25.50 // Adjust last value to move fore and aft
VIEW_RIGHT_UP_ZOOM=0.50

VIEW_REAR_LEFT_UP_WINDOWS=44 // LEFT WINGTIP VIEW
VIEW_REAR_LEFT_UP_DIR=0.0, 0.0, 300
VIEW_REAR_LEFT_UP_EYE=0.0, 0.0, -28.00 // Adjust last value to move fore and aft
VIEW_REAR_LEFT_UP_ZOOM=0.50

VIEW_REAR_RIGHT_UP_WINDOWS=45 // RIGHT WINGTIP VIEW
VIEW_REAR_RIGHT_UP_DIR=0.0, 0.0, 60
VIEW_REAR_RIGHT_UP_EYE=1.1, 0.0, -28.00 // Adjust last value to move fore and aft
VIEW_REAR_RIGHT_UP_ZOOM=0.50


[Window00]
file=Main.bmp
file_1024=Main.bmp
size_mm=1024,768
window_size_ratio=1.0
position=0
visible=1
update_rate=20
ident=MAIN_PANEL
zorder=1

gauge00=Rp727_2!panel, 0, 339, 1024
gauge01=Rp727_2!asi, 87, 476, 133
gauge02=Rp727_2!rmi, 107, 604, 111
gauge03=Rp727_2!timer, 4, 603, 105
gauge04=Rp727_2!adi, 226, 449, 166, 156
gauge05=Rp727_2!hsi, 230, 622, 160, 143
gauge06=Rp727_2!altimeter, 472, 498, 99
gauge07=Rp727_2!vsi_tcas, 406, 611, 99
gauge08=Rp727_2!ra, 407, 474, 53
gauge09=Rp727_2!omi, 612, 492, 29
gauge10=Rp727_2!flap_out, 916, 570, 64
gauge11=Rp727_2!flap_in, 915, 647, 64
gauge12=Rp727_2!epr_1, 660, 392 , 75
gauge13=Rp727_2!epr_2, 741, 392,75
gauge14=Rp727_2!epr_3, 822, 392,75
gauge15=Rp727_2!n1_1,661, 470, 66
gauge16=Rp727_2!n1_2, 741, 470, 66
gauge17=Rp727_2!n1_3, 819, 470, 66
gauge18=Rp727_2!egt_1_100, 661, 548, 66
gauge19=Rp727_2!egt_2_100, 740, 548, 66
gauge20=Rp727_2!egt_3_100, 818, 548, 66
gauge21=Rp727_2!n2_1, 661, 626, 66
gauge22=Rp727_2!n2_2, 740, 626, 66
gauge23=Rp727_2!n2_3, 818, 626, 66
gauge24=Rp727_2!ff_1, 661, 704, 66
gauge25=Rp727_2!ff_2, 740, 704, 66
gauge26=Rp727_2!ff_3, 818, 704, 66
gauge27=Rp727_2!wheel_fire, 682, 282, 45
gauge28=Rp727_2!pneu_brake_handle, 536, 379, 88
gauge29=Rp727_2!pneu_brake_gauge, 917, 479, 64
gauge30=Rp727_2!flap_lights, 985, 624, 36
gauge31=Rp727_2!gear_lights, 923, 374, 78, 80
gauge32=Rp727_2!rev_1, 677, 368, 34
gauge33=Rp727_2!rev_2, 755, 368, 34
gauge34=Rp727_2!rev_3, 837, 368, 34
gauge35=Rp727_2!alt_alert_control, 554, 731, 64
gauge36=Rp727_2!dme2, 419, 732, 77
gauge37=Rp727_2!fire_1, 743, 257, 52
gauge38=Rp727_2!fire_2, 834, 257, 52
gauge39=Rp727_2!fire_3, 919, 257, 52
gauge40=Rp727_2!fd_cont, 555, 285, 121
gauge41=Rp727_2!ap_disc, 185, 446, 29
gauge42=Rp727_2!alt_alert, 525, 475, 32
gauge43=Rp727_2!oil_press_lights, 918, 730, 79
gauge44=Rp727_2!gpws, 46, 477, 38, 39
gauge45=Rp727_2!windshear, 12, 482, 23
gauge46=Rp727_2!spi, 520, 611, 98
gauge47=Rp727_2!marker_switch, 618, 458, 12
gauge48=Rp727_2!eng_fail, 293, 325, 35
gauge49=Rp727_2!apd, 429, 378, 74, 90
gauge50=Rp727_2!fire_test, 980, 311, 44
gauge51=Rp727_2!mach_test, 25, 570, 33, 16
gauge52=Rp727_2!comparator, 237, 418, 116, 22
gauge53=Rp727_2!toggle_lights, 32, 724, 19
gauge54=Rp727_2!toggle_radio, 53, 724, 19
gauge55=Rp727_2!toggle_atc, 74, 724, 19, 19, 0
gauge56=Rp727_2!toggle_gps, 95, 724, 19, ,1
gauge57=Rp727_2!toggle_map, 116, 724, 19, 19, 0
gauge58=Rp727_2!toggle_overhead2, 137, 724, 19, 19, 0
gauge59=Rp727_2!toggle_radio2, 158, 724, 19, 19, 0
gauge60=Rp727_2!toggle_fuel, 179, 724, 19
gauge61=Rp727_2!toggle_battery, 200, 724, 19
gauge62=Rp727_2!toggle_landing, 586, 478, 19
gauge63=Rp727_2!toggle_go_around, 586, 498, 19, 19
gauge64=Rp727_2!toggle_auto_taxi, 586, 518, 19, 19
gauge65=Rp727_2!toggle_throttles, 586, 538, 19, 19
gauge66=Rp727_2!toggle_spoilers, 586, 558, 19, 19
gauge67=Rp727_2!toggle_trim, 586, 578, 19
gauge68=Rp727_2!toggle_stairs, 11, 724, 19
gauge69=CFRP727!VT_toggle, 92, 453, 19, 19
gauge70=CFRP727!FP_toggle, 113, 453, 19, 19
gauge71=CFRP727!VL_toggle, 134, 453, 19, 19
gauge72=CFRP727!FE_toggle, 155, 453, 19, 19

[Window01]
file=landing.bmp
size_mm=1024,768
position=0
visible=0
ident=27
zorder=2

gauge00=Rp727_2!panel2, 181, 474, 843
gauge01=Rp727_2!asi, 328, 618, 140, 140
gauge02=Rp727_2!adi2, 476, 588, 176, 169
gauge03=Rp727_2!ap_disc2, 434, 585, 29
gauge04=Rp727_2!gpws2, 282, 616, 42
gauge05=Rp727_2!altimeter, 737, 638, 110
gauge06=Rp727_2!ra, 670, 613, 57
gauge07=Rp727_2!pneu_brake_handle, 797, 504, 104
gauge08=Rp727_2!eng_fail, 641, 455, 40
gauge09=Rp727_2!rev_1, 958, 495, 42
gauge10=Rp727_2!alt_alert2, 797, 614, 35
gauge11=Rp727_2!windshear2,244,620, 27
gauge12=Rp727_2!marker_switch, 895, 596, 14
gauge13=Rp727_2!comparator, 488, 553,125, 23
gauge14=Rp727_2!epr_1, 942, 522, 81, 88
gauge15=Rp727_2!n1_1, 944, 608, 67, 72
gauge16=Rp727_2!egt_1_100,944, 694, 66, 72
gauge17=Rp727_2!apd2, 694, 510, 80, 98
gauge18=Rp727_2!omi2, 889, 633, 29, 86
gauge19=Rp727_2!fd_cont2, 928, 410, 96, 76
gauge20=Rp727_2!toggle_normal,862, 663, 19
gauge21=Rp727_2!toggle_go_around, 862, 683, 19, 19
gauge22=Rp727_2!mach_test, 265, 721, 33, 16
gauge23=Rp727_2!gpws, 1, 1, 1, 1

[Window02]
size_mm=695,262
position=8
visible=0
ident=GPS_PANEL
zorder=3

gauge00=Rp727_2!adf, 0, 0, 200
gauge01=Rp727_2!transp, 0, 92, 200
gauge02=Rp727_2!radar_controls, 0, 170, 200
gauge03=Rp727_2!radar, 200, 0, 254
gauge04=Rp727_2!ins, 454, 0, 241

[Window03]
size_mm=400, 216
position=2
BACKGROUND_COLOR=16,16,16
VISIBLE=0
ident=26
zorder=4

gauge00=Rp727_2!ap_client, 0 ,113, 400, 103, 1
gauge01=Rp727_2!radio1, 0,0, 200, 113
gauge02=Rp727_2!radio2, 200, 0, 200, 113

[Window04]
file=lights.bmp
size_mm=1001,225
position=2
visible=0
ident=OVERHEAD_PANEL
zorder=5

gauge00=Rp727_2!lights, 0, 0, 1001

[Window05]
size_mm=260, 364
position=2
BACKGROUND_COLOR=16,16,16
visible=0
ident=25
zorder=6

gauge00=Rp727_2!throttles, 0, 0, 260, 364
gauge01=Rp727_2!throttles2, 0, 22, 183
gauge02=Rp727_2!flap_handle, 218, 122, 42

[Window06]
size_mm=200, 122
position=8
visible=0
BACKGROUND_COLOR=16,16,16
VISIBLE=0
ident=24
zorder=7

gauge00=Rp727_2!battery, 0, 0, 200, 122



[Window07]
size_mm=606, 417
position=8
BACKGROUND_COLOR=16,16,16
VISIBLE=0
ident=28
zorder=8

gauge00=Rp727_2!fuel, 0, 0, 606, 417

[Window08]
file=trim.bmp
size_mm=400,460
position=8
visible=0
ident=29
zorder=9

gauge00=Rp727_2!ics_1, 0, 0, 200, 153
gauge01=Rp727_2!ics_2, 200, 0, 200, 153
gauge03=Rp727_2!trim, 0, 153, 400, 311

[Window09]
size_mm=433,149
position=8
BACKGROUND_COLOR=16,16,16
VISIBLE=0
ident=500
zorder=10
window_size= 0.423, 0.194
window_pos= 0.580, 0.810

gauge00=CFRP727!VT_table, 0, 0, 433, 149

// ----------- Landing Chart -------------------------------

[Window10]
size_mm=266,141
BACKGROUND_COLOR=16,16,16
window_size_ratio=1.000
position=0
visible=0
ident=510
zorder=11

gauge00=CFRP727!VL_table, 0, 0, 266, 141


//------------ FE Report-------------------------------------

[Window11]
size_mm=289, 178
BACKGROUND_COLOR=16,16,16
window_size_ratio=1.000
position=0
visible=0
ident=520
zorder=12

gauge00=CFRP727!FE_Report, 0, 0, 289, 178

[Window12]
size_mm=382, 195
BACKGROUND_COLOR=16,16,16
window_size_ratio=1.000
position=0
visible=0
ident=530
zorder=13

gauge00=CFRP727!FP_Report, 0, 0, 382, 195


[Window13]
file=UP.bmp
size_mm=1024
visible=0
position=0
window_size=1.000,1.000
ident=550
zorder=14

gauge00=rp727_2!overhead, 20, 110, 984
gauge01=rp727_2!msu, 549, 615, 191, 72
gauge02=rp727_2!toggle_overhead2_close, 1005, 0, 19, 19

[Window14]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=1024,470
position=7
visible=1
ident=190
zorder=0
render_3d_window=1
window_size= 1.000, 1.000
window_pos= 0.000, 0.000

gauge00=rp727_2!wiper, 0,0,1024,400,0
gauge01=rp727_2!wiper, 0,30,956,280,1

[Default View]
X=0
Y=0
SIZE_X=8192
SIZE_Y=3590

[AdvDisplay]
Window=171,141,508,19,1,1
HideWindow=No
AutoHide=No
AlsoATIS=No


Day=255,255,255
Night=8,8,8
Luminous=230,230,230

I hope this helps!

[mikearuba]

Anyone?

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

Our B727 panels have ben available for more almost 2 years (next year) now .... for both FS2004 and FSX .... portover to FSX though they may be, but still, FSX compatible.

Given the populariry of these aircraft since we first launched them .... and .... if there was a general panel/gauge FSX compatibility problem here then I'd expect to see a forum full of complaints regarding this, but, which doesn't seem to be the case .... so .... I can only then "assume" that the problem, whatever it is, may be localised .... possibly to your wn set up .... and is likely not then a general one.

"IF" that's the case .... then such specific issues can be extremly difficult to pinpoint .... and I do say that with a heart and not as a fob-off

Have you tried loading the MSFS deafult CESNNA .... or other MSFS FSX supplied default aircraft into FS first and foremost at the start of yourflying session .... "THEN" .... load your B727 or choice, after that, just to see if this makes any difference at all ?

Mark C
AKL/NZ