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Post by sterling on Nov 9, 2011 13:45:12 GMT
Hey; Nice to Know! I just downloaded the 2 base packs from Simviation, and placed the panel from pack 2 in pack 1. and that works. I haven't changed the panel files with the zorder codes. I just fill in the flysim sections. The engines spool up/down as normal without shortcuts. but the only the rear entrance will open, but maybe its me that can't figure it out? All other things seems to work properly. Well i can't find the Nav/GPS buttom. So i navigate to Palma with NAV and Cource, well landed in manuel mode... I will try to find the manual for the auto pilot and other panels. But i the meantime, its real flying, and fun, so nothing urgent... My conclusion is that the Caravelle files is quite close to be compatible to FSX, so maybe one day there will be a VC as well, enjoy! Best regards Sterling  |
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Post by walterleo on Nov 9, 2011 18:18:29 GMT
Hi:
In the real Caravelles (less the 12-Super Caravelle, which is not on HJG homepage) there wasn't a switch for coupling GPS to the AP therefore realistically none in the simulation.
The AP itself its on the pedestal and must be "primed" by the switch in the middle, afterward you can push "ENGAGE" and then select heading, altitude hold, descent and climb, NAV LOC and GS.
If you want a GPS you can couple to the AP, you must have PT-Tupolev Tu-154M and can install the KING 90B GPS (it works like the real thing-hence you must read the introduction) of that plane in the Caravelle (no need of an electric switch, this one feeds from FS9 electric system). It can be switched to the heading bug via the MODULES/PT TUPOLEV marker.
THE HJG-CARAVELLES ARE AMONG THE BEST SIMPLANES!
Happy landings
Walter
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Nov 9, 2011 20:58:16 GMT
Thanks for the endorsement "WALTERLEO"  .... BUT .... I must stress that the CARAVELLE's are, and always will be, and therefore must be referred to as "AFG/ALLIED FLIGHT GROUP" products. HJG only hosts these products "by kind consent" .... as well as providing the very best support we possibly can for this project as well "STERLING" .... the AFG CARAVELLE project was not designed specifically for FSX use, but, I understand these models, textures, panels/gauges do (mostly) function in FSX .... but .... their current smoke affects data most certainly will not. Similarly .... the supporting CARAVELLE soundpacks which we offer "HERE" were compiled for FS2004 use too, but, will work in FSX, though not maybe not as well as they perform within FS2004 .... due to differences in the FSX sound/audio engine. For these reasons (above) I "do not" like saying the CARAVELLE's are FSX compatible .... simply because this is a "QUALITY PRODUCT" and I don't want to create a wrong impression within the minds of the FS community as to FS version compatibility. ONCE AGAIN .... the entire CACRVELLE project was designed specifically for FS2004 use. Some features ..... including some animations .... may not work in FSX .... BUT .... I can't confirm this. Another detail I need to point out also .... You mention downloading your CARAVELLE's from SIMVIATION (which is fine) .... but .... I need to stress that each of the CARAVELLE TYPE aircraft we host "HERE", at HJG, have been "further improved" from those earlier versions of these same packages which AFG originally released at FLIGHTSIM, AVSIM, SIMVIATION. I recommend you substitute whatever versions you currently have for those same versions offered by us "HERE". We can only provide support for those file versions downloaded from "THIS"/the HJG website. In addition to the documents/manuals which accompany each CARAVELLE download (aircraft base packs/panels) I have compiled a very comprehensive manual for these aircraft .... entitled "CARAVELE PANEL INSTALLATION & HANDLING NOTES" .... which is located on "THIS"/the CARAVELLE SUPPORT forum page .... I'm surprised you've missed it ;D This information serves as our online/forum CARAVELLE manual. It goes a long way beyond basic installation procedures to cover almost everything that needs to be understood in order to be able to fly these beautiful aircraft properly .... and derive the very best enjoyment from these simulations. I recommend you .... and anyone else new to the CARAVELLE .... please take time to carefully study this information. Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by sterling on Nov 10, 2011 8:51:36 GMT
Hey Mark and Walter.. Im not in doubt about the HJG Aircrafts is some of the best, i just don't make the Carevelle work i first shut. So just to check, i go for Simviation. I will absolutely continue trying to make an Caravelle from HJG. Then i will find it fun, to make an comparison between them. Id make an Boeing 720b and a 727 so I'm pretty sure that i will succeed whit the Caravelle as well. I have not missed the Handling notes Ive seen them, i will follow them in my next attempt. This site just demand a little more technical knowhow, than other good flightsimsites. I think with the experience i have now, i would have buyed fs2004 instead of FSX, because off my interest for old aircrafts. But i like ass well flying 787 as i now have. lovely aircraft. So that have been a difficult decision to make. Anyway i now have FSX, and want to make the best of it, off course, so still i wait for Caravelle in digital setup, with Virtual cockpit  By the way, when i make the caravelle, is there more cams like wingwiew in HJG packets. The one i got now, docent have this options, well i just wait to see, i think. Best regards Sterling, DK-EKAH |
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Post by sterling on Nov 10, 2011 13:15:51 GMT
Hey again:
Now i got the Caravelle 6R from HJG as well. There is a little difference in fsx. The panel folder schould not be put i fsfsconv folder, an the panelname scould be in cfg. the basepack panelfolder is deleted ass well. i changed the panel cfg with the zorder codes, i dont know if is needed, i just do it. the only thing i need, is thumpnailpics.in the aircraft selection menu. Now i got stairs front and back. but no Cargo doors, thats not a big deal, is its not possible...
No its time for a break in downloading before the DC9 comes in, i will enjoy flying 3 lovely HJG Aircrafts ;D
Psst; (Well i have downloaded Caravelle10) So maybe i give it a shut more to work...?)
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Nov 10, 2011 21:05:01 GMT
The CARAVELLE 1/A through CARAVELLE 6N versions each feature PAX wing views in liew of a full interior flightdeck views .... if using the intended CARAVELLE panels for each aircraft. The CARAVELLE 6R through 10R/B1 versions each feature a full interior flightdeck views in liew of PAX wing views .... if using the intended CARAVELLE panels for each aircraft. Each of the AFG CARAVELLE files hosted by HJG have been re-compiled according to long-established HJG protocol .... CARAVELLE aircraft base packs, and textures, are each located on each of the CARAVELLE AIRCRAFT TYPE downloads pages. CARAVELLE panels are each located on the CARAVELLE PANELS page. CARAVELLE soundpacks are each located on the CARAVELLE SOUNDS downloads page. CARAVELLE SMOKE EFFECTS are located on the AIRCRAFT EFFECTS downloads page. This is how we/HJG work "HERE" All files have been compiled correctly .... and work perfectly .... so long as the installation procedures are follow "TO THE LETTER". There are any number of ways in which files may be installed within FS, but, those "WE/HJG" recommend, and support, are as stated within the installation instructions which accompany each idownloadable file. It's only when folk decide to dispense with these recommendations that things can become "a little difficult" for us to unravel when/if problems occur ;D The "FURTHER IMPROVEMENTS" which we/HJG applied to each of the AFG CARAVELLE's are FDE related only .... and were restricted to FLIGHT TUNING and WEIGHT & BALANCE data "ONLY" .... in order to better represent each aircraft type .... and to result in FS performances which are a little closer to actual CARAVELLE specifications .... whilst also bearing in mind certain FS limitations. "ABSOLUTELY NO OTHER CHANGES" were made to any of the original AFG data .... so .... if details like PAX doors and cargo doors all worked fine previously then there's no reason, whatsoever, why these should not continue to function as before .... simply because no work/modifications were applied, by us, to any of these particular details. Whether or not these features actually work in FSX is another matter entirely. The reason why no THUMBNAILS are included within any of our CARAVELLE files is because FS2004 does not require them .... because the CARAVELLE's are "not" promoted, by us, as being FSX compatible .... despite the fact we understand they apparently "mostly" work OK within FSX   Again .... I must stress .... these CARAVELLE simulations were designed for and are intended to be used with "FS2004" .... which is all that we/HJG endorse. Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by Dan K. Hansen on Nov 11, 2011 8:35:26 GMT
Find out how to add Thumbnail files in our FSX- section ... there is a sticky thread describing just that.
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Post by sterling on Nov 11, 2011 9:35:56 GMT
Hey; Thanks Dan, i just read it, and will make an Thumpnail for the aircrafts i downloaded from HJG.. About the other things i done for making the Caravelle work in FSX, its only my way doing it, and not a general guide for installing aircrafts. And it seems not to work for the Caravelle 10 in the first place.. But i will go thrue it, and see if i maybe forgot something. Im still aware that the Caravelle is for FS2004 and not for FSX - Im just happy to make it fly anyway  |
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Post by Falcon on Nov 11, 2011 19:51:04 GMT
Sumviation has a panel for the AFG Caravelle built for FSX. Don't know how it works yet.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Nov 12, 2011 3:26:05 GMT
The thing is though .... what "CARAVELLE version" is it for ?
Several CARAVELLE versions are so far represented by AFG and the panels for most of these are "aircraft type specific" .... with not all all of them being interchangable amobg all of the aircraft so far available .... at least not in the interests of everything possibly continuing to perform authentically/as intended.
Personally .... I wouln't use anything but the "official versions" of these panel built by Benoit GAURANT, for AFG, because using something non-specific may result in certain incompatibilties .... but of course .... if abiding by that rule alone then "we come back to the original FSX compatibility thing/issue once again".
The only point I'm trying to stress here is one which I've constantly repeated over the years .... in that the engineering of "most good panels" is often related (to some extent) on certain FDE and even model compatibilities in order for these to be able to work properly with a particularFS aircraft type.
For these reasons it's "sometimes" not a good idea to use "just any other panel option" that might be available .... and .... at the end of the day we/HJG can only provide support for what we offer "HERE" at this time.
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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Post by walterleo on Nov 12, 2011 8:33:02 GMT
Mark
what You are saying especially holds for the Caravelles. The real plane over its development got different systems (e.g. the hydraulic system), the panels are different also, even if at first glance they are looking "nearly" the same. Especially in the case of the AFG-Caravelles mixing panels and models one destroys part of the wonderful (sometimes not easily visible) work the developer has done. Benoit Gurant had presented years ago a model panel combination for the Caravelle XII (the Super-Caravelle) which had all the real plane had including AT and an AP capable of auto-land (CAT II ILS). But he started for the other Caravelles nearly from Zero.
Another point is looking for a better fitting (in terms of looks, function or historic coincidence) gauge like weather-radar or GPS, for personal use I never will upload somewhere.
Taken all together:
The more advanced and nearer to reality a model and panel are (as the AFG Caravelles do) more care has to be taken for not spoiling a wonderful piece of work, still more if its a free gift a highly talented person gave to the FS community.
Kind regards
Walter
P.S. I sometimes fiddle around with panels!
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Nov 12, 2011 9:27:14 GMT
Apart from the obvious cosmetic and systems differences which exist among these and other FS aircraft panels .... what I was really trying to "impress" is the PANEL/GAUGE and MODEL/FDE relationship which exists in many cases and which implicate the calibration of engine related instrumentation in particular It's the same/similar in regard FS aircraft soundpacks too. For example .... we/AEROMUSICA compile each of our soundpacks strictly according to FDE data, so, each soundpack is then "specific" to a "particular" aircraft MODEL/FDE. In this way a soundpack compiled accordinding to "certain" FS aircraft model/FDE will work marvelously .... BUT .... assign that same soundpack to another aircraft model/FDE combination and it "might not" work nearly as well. It can be the same/similar in regard to FS aircraft panels/gauges too. There's actually a heck of a lot more to all this that a lot of folk probably realize Mark C AKL/NZ |
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Post by Falcon on Nov 12, 2011 19:25:56 GMT
I agree with you Mark, I was only trying to give Sterling some help, as I to am an FSX user. I prefer the panels that were designed for each aircraft. That's the reason why I enjoy most HJG's craft on the site. You are correct that the "after market" panel for AFG's Caravelle is very generic, and I wouldn't consider using anything like that for any aircraft, only as a last resort, ie HJG"S DC-9's. Some of us don't have FS9, or both, so we are limited only by our own choice on how to enjoy the sim community.
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Post by bede on Apr 20, 2012 20:03:29 GMT
I managed to instal the CARAVELLE III in my FS X, no problems and she flew very well two or tree times, maybe more.
Now I can open the CARAVELLE but impossible to pilot her with my joytick. CTRL+K does not work. She goes in front impossible to turn, she takes off far from the runway. My joystick works well with all muy planes, even the HJG planes.
I desinstalled the CARAVELLE no changes at all.
It's a pity, I love the AFG CARAVELLE I flew in my old FS9
Thank you for your help
Bernard
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Apr 20, 2012 22:09:06 GMT
You say .... it worked well/OK 2 or 3 times .... but then .... suddenly not at all  Even in FSX (and kindly do remember, that neither AFG, or we/HJG, have ever certified the CARAVELLE for FSX use) .... I've "NEVER .... EVER" heard of "ANY" of the issues, you say, you're now experiencing. From what you've described .... I'd be inclined to look way beyond these CARAVELLE simulations and much closer at the set up of your own controller devices !!!! It doesn't make sense for it to work well/OK 2 or 3 times, then, suddenly, not at all !!!! Again .... even in FSX (and despite the fact the CARAVELLE wasn't designed for this sim version) .... I've never, previously, heard of any of the issues being reported you. Mark C AKL/NZ |
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.... BUT .... I must stress that the CARAVELLE's are, and always will be, and therefore must be referred to as "AFG/ALLIED FLIGHT GROUP" products. HJG only hosts these products "by kind consent" .... as well as providing the very best support we possibly can for this project as well 
