KC-135A Panel

[phantomfreak]

Is there a panel that replicates the KC-135A panel for the aircraft as it appears later in life? I.e. the INS and flight director of the R model panel? Basically a panel for the airplane from the late 70's up to their withdrawl from use or upgrade to the R model.

Thanks

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

"Technically speaking" .... we don't at this time, have "a specific KC135 type panel" to offer .... BUT .... our current B367-80/B707/B720 line of panels by George CARTY are intended for use with these military aircraft.

Here are our recommended PANEL/C135 TYPE assignments ....

C135 - WHAT PANELS WITH WHICH AIRCRAFT ?

We're often asked which panels we recommend using with various B707/720/C135 aircraft.

C-135A (J57) ....... use B367-80 panel (TEMPORARY ASSIGNMENT)
C-135A (JT3D) ...... use B707-120B 1965 panel (TEMPORARY ASSIGNMENT)
E-3C ............... use B707-320B-ADVC 1970 panel
E-3D ............... use E3 CFM56 panel
E-6B ............... use B707-700 panel
E-8C ............... use B707-320B-ADVC 1970 panel
EC-135C ............ use B707-120B 1965 panel (TEMPORARY ASSIGNMENT)
EC-137D ............ use B707-320B-ADVC 1970 panel
KC-135A ............ use B367-80 panel (TEMPORARY ASSIGNMENT)
KC-135E ............ use B707-120B 1965 panel (TEMPORARY ASSIGNMENT)
KC-135R ............ use B707-700 panel (TEMPORARY ASSIGNMENT)
NKC-135A ........... use B367-80 panel (TEMPORARY ASSIGNMENT)
RC-135 (JT3D) ...... use B707-120B 1965 panel (TEMPORARY ASSIGNMENT)
RC-135 (CFM56) ..... use B707-700 panel (TEMPORARY ASSIGNMENT)
TC-18 .............. use B707-320B-ADVC 1970 panel
TC-135 (CFM56) ..... use B707-700 panel (TEMPORARY ASSIGNMENT)
VC-137A ............ use B707-120 1959 panel
VC-137B ............ use B707-120B 1965 panel
VC-137C ............ use B707-320B-ADVC panel 1965 panel

All the above panels are available from the "BOEING PANELS" section of our "DOWNLOADS" page.

These are civil panels are the best assignments we can currently provide in the absence of more specifiv military type panels for these aircraft.

PLEASE NOTE .... some military C135 class aircraft are not equipped with engine thrust reversers. These aircraft are as follows ....

B367-80
C135-A
E3-C
EC137-D
KC135-A
KC135-R
NKC-135-A

To cancel thrust reverser animations on the engines of some models and panel reverser light anunciation then open the AIRCRAFT.CFG for each of the above aircraft. Locate [GeneralEngineData] section. Identify the line of data reading min_throttle_limit. Edit this line to read precisely as follows ....

min_throttle_limit=0.000000

This will ensure cancelation of reverse animtion on engines of some models as well as panel reverser light anunciation for all non-reverser equipped aircraft. PLEASE NOTE: You should not need to do this .... all AIRCRAFT.CFG files should appear appropriately edited.

Apply this edit to only those aircraft listed above.


B707/C135 ASSIGNED PANELS - WHAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT EACH ?

Looking at our B707/720/ C135 panel preview images it may be difficult to spot any major differences between these. However significant differences do exist and are as follows ....

B367-80 Panel.... features late 1950's type instrumentation, Water/Methanol injection with engine instruments callibrated to JT3P turbojet performance parameters, No Thrust Reverser Lights on main panel. and no Turbocompressor gauges on F/E panel

B707-120 1959 Panel.... features late 1950's type instrumentation, Water/Methanol injection with engine instruments callibrated to JT3C-6 turbojet performance parameters.

B707-120B 1965 panel.... features mid 1960's type instrumentation, more advanced 1960's type instrumentation, INS, and engine instruments callibrated to JT3D fanjet performance parameters.

B707-320B ADVC 1970 panel.... features early 1970's type instrumentation, engine instruments callibrated to JT3D fanjet performance parameters, and INS.

B707-700 panel.... features early 1970's type instrumentation, engine instruments callibrated to CFM-56 turbofan performance parameters, and INS.

E3 (CFM-56) panel.... features early 1970's type instrumentation engine instruments callibrated to CFM-56 turbofan performance parameters, revisions to retractable landing light overhead switches, and INS.

All HJG B707/720 Aircraft Base Packs contain aircraft specific customised FDE.

And here´s our sound/audio recomendations for these aircraft also .... just be sure to use the correct soundpack, and panel too, with each aircraft type ....

C135 - WHAT SOUND WHICH PLANE ?

C135-A (J57) .............. use P&W J57 turbojet (no reverse) soundpack
C135-A (JT3D) ............. use P&W TF-33 fanjet soundpack
E3-C ...................... use P&W TF-33 (no reverse) fanjet soundpack
E3-D ...................... use CFM56 Turbofan (C135 version) soundpack
E6-B ...................... use CFM56 Turbofan (C135 version) soundpack
E8-C ...................... use P&W J57 turbojet soundpack
EC135-C ................... use P&W TF-33 fanjet soundpack
EC137-D ................... use P&W TF-33 (no reverse) fanjet soundpack
KC135-A ................... use P&W J57 turbojet (no reverse) soundpack
KC135-E ................... use P&W TF-33 fanjet
KC135-R ................... use CFM56 Turbofan (C135 version) soundpack
NKC135-A .................. use P&W J57 turbojet (no reverse) soundpack
RC135 (JT3D) .............. use P&W TF-33 fanjet soundpack
RC135 (CFM56) ............. use CFM56 Turbofan (C135 version) soundpack
TC18 ...................... use P&W JT3D-7 fanjet soundpack
TC135 (CFM56) ............. use CFM56 Turbofan (C135 version) soundpack
VC137-A ................... use use P&W J57 turbojet soundpack
VC137-B ................... use P&W TF-33 fanjet soundpack
VC137-C ................... use P&W TF-33 fanjet soundpack

All the above sounds are available from the "BOEING SOUNDS" section of our "DOWNLOADS" page.

N.B. All aircraft sound recommendations feature reverse thrust unless otherwise stated.


WHICH C135 TYPE AIRCRAFT DON'T HAVE REVERSE THRUST ?

B367-80
C135-A
E3-C
EC137-D
KC135-A
KC135-R
NKC-135-A

HOW TO CANCEL REVERSE ANIMATION ON MODELS & PANELS

Open the AIRCRAFT.CFG for each of the above aircraft. Locate [GeneralEngineData] section. Identify the line of data reading min_throttle_limit. Edit this line to read precisely as follows ....

min_throttle_limit=0.000000

This will ensure cancelation of reverse animtion on engines of some models as well as panel reverser light anunciation for all non-reverser equipped aircraft. PLEASE NOTE: You should not need to do this .... all AIRCRAFT.CFG files should appear appropriately edited.

Apply this edit to only those aircraft listed above.

Be sure to select the correct soundpacks versions for each aircraft. Soundpacks without reverse thrust are clearly labelled "NO REVERSE".

All of this information .... "AND MORE" .... is otherewise available from the our ABOUT HJG AIRCRAFT forum page ....

tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=hjgaircraftlistings


Just a few words of advice regarding your specific request in relation to an KC135-R type panel configuration for the KC135-aircraft ....

Our KC135-A panel asignment reflects, intentionally, late 1950´s period instrumention. The INS gauge could probably (I´m not entirely sure) be taken from one of our other INS equipped B707 panels .... BUT .... I wouldn´t recommend doing this (unless folk are extremly competent in respect of panel and FDE editing) as it would also impose an AP gauge replacement too (and possibly other PANEL.CFG and AIRCRAFT.CFG modifications as well) since the INS and AP are both interlinked .... as I understand.

Also .... If one was to just alias an INS equipped late model B707 panel to the KC135-A aircraft .... then this would basically work .... BUT BEWARE .... because doing this would also result in engine instrument readings then being "right out of whack" as well as a possible loss of the intended smoke effects for this aircraft too.

All of our panels feature engine gauges and FDE calibrated (as best as FS will permit) in accordance with the realworld parameters of each aircraft/engine type .... and which do vary considerably among both B707/720 and C135 TYPE aircraft.

I want to be sure folk appreciate there´s a whole lot more to all of this than actually meets the eye !

Also .... when such modifications are performed it then becomes increasingly more difficult for us/HJG to provide support .... so we generally don't in these cases .... as any editiing/modification is then regarded, by us, a non-standard adaption of the product we otherwise provide, know well, and support .... to the best of our ability.

Mark C
BOG/COL