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Post by braniffops on Aug 22, 2011 22:43:13 GMT
Mark et al...
I don't know of this topic has been foisted before, but I'll raise it here for the sake of discussion.
Have you guys thought about doing anything with regards to the Douglas DC-10?
Thanks
Daniel
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Aug 23, 2011 0:02:20 GMT
"YES" .... the DC10 has been "pondered over". In fact I have a number of the following (private projects) just sitting around .... biding time .... AIR NEW ZEALAND DC10-30 (1973) ZK-NZL .... this is the original texture by Frank IDONE .... but .... it's since been completly redone by Camilo LUENGAS (under my own direction since I was closely associated with these aircraft) .... and other minor variations of TE/NZ livery over the years created for the appropriate other aircraft fleet registrations .... unfortunately I don't have any images of these ready to show yet ! DC-10-30 N821L (1983) by Camilo LUENGAS .... leased from WESTERN AIRLINES .... ex AIR NEW ZEALAND ZK-NZN. Quite the same also applies in respect of the A300 too .... and the following new/previously unreleased textures .... AEROCONDOR COLOMBIA (1979) HK-2057 "Ciudad De Baranquilla" by Camilo LUENGAS .... "LATEST VERSION TEXTURE" ! AIR FRANCE/IBERIA AIRWAYS (1972) F-WUAC (prototype aircraft) by Eduardo ROCHAIBERIA AIRWAYS/AIR FRANCE (1972) F-WUAC (prototype aircraft) by Eduardo ROCHAAIR FRANCE (1974) F-BVGD by Eduardo ROCHAAIR FRANCE (1980) F-BVGA by Eduardo ROCHAHowever .... AND I DO NEED TO APPEAR CLEAR REGARDING THIS SIMPLY TO AVOID MISUNDERSTANDINGS/MISINTERPREATATIONS OF THE TYPE WHICH CAN OTHERWISE LEAD TO OVEREXPECTATION/PROBLEMS .... "no decision has yet been made" in regard to whether or not HJG might relaunch these aircraft in the future, so please , "do not ask/hint/suggest/prompt/persuade .... or whatever in regard to the status of these "IDEAS" ;D In any case HJG is, currently, heavily committed to the release of its MD80/90 project. There's no way that this volunteer group can, realistically, consider introducing another new aircraft type .... along with everything else that would have to go with it too in order to make such a project "a great one" .... as most have, by now, come to expect from HJG. "IF" .... HJG ever does relaunch the DC10 .... and A300 .... then whatever we do would be based around Erick CANTU's models, but, that "most certainly won't be happening this year" .... I can assure everyone ! Some folk might remember a DC10 panel WIP being presented, here, earlier this year (which I suspect is what might have prompted this subject to come up), and a certain amount of discussion regarding it, and the DC10 generally, but, it needs to be understood that what was presented here .... back then .... was essentially (1) a private project .... and (2) simply in-line with general discussion at that time .... because (again) no commitment had actually been made, by HJG, to these aircraft, even at that time. Never-the-less though .... AEROMUSICA (that's Benoit PLAMONDON and myself) are still working on our own DC10, A300, and B747 related GE and P&W soundpacks .... as time permits .... but again .... these new audio productions remain "PRIVATE PROJECTS" also. Once again .... here's Benoit's original preview of the BETA version of our new GE soundpack for the DC10 .... as originally presented by us/AEROMUSICA earlier this year, but, still in need of"a lot more work .... www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr6cBOYbQEQMark C AKL/NZ
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Post by braniffops on Aug 23, 2011 0:58:42 GMT
Actually, Mark, the reason I brought it up was that I was flying some of the old SGA birds a few weeks ago, and I didn't know if you guys were even looking at it with all of the other stuff that you guys had on your plate.
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Aug 23, 2011 2:42:28 GMT
No problem "BRANIFFOPS" I've actually received a number of PM's/emails asking in regard to the original discussion (here) during March/April of this year .... and to most of these I've provided basically the same answer as above. My response, today, is simply a "general one" rather than to anyone in particular .... because I'm certain, from experience, any mention of the DC10 might trigger memory of that discussion earlier this year The SGA models are indeed "quite good" .... certanly, by far, the very best freeware DC10 models currently available for FS. The SGA DC10 simulations can be made better .... with the FDE updates which are available from FLIGHTSIM.COM (filename = sga10fup.zip.... bit of a strange name ("SGA 10 F-UP") for an upgrade, me thinks ;D, but still , it's good ) .... along with the original SGA DC10 panel by Mike BEAUMANN and Fraser TURNER .... and the update for this panel by YOO SANG JUN (or WHO FLUNG DUNG .... or whatever his name is ) .... file names as follows .... ORIGINAL SGA DC10 PANEL = sgadcpnl.zipUPDATE TO ORIGINAL SGA DC10 PANEL = lightdc.zipThis SGA panel seems to represent that of a DC10-30/40 though .... due to the 4-landing gear indicator lamp configuration on the main panel (these higher weight aircraft feature the CLG) .... because DC10-10/15 aircraft feature only a 3-landing gear indicator lamp configuration due to their lacking the CLG unit of their mostly later/heavier/more powerful and longer-ranging members of the DC10 family. Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by Klaus Hullermann on Aug 23, 2011 6:38:35 GMT
Nice textures. I recently re-discovered the SGA A300 (I coupled it with the great A300-panel from Benoit Gaurant.) and I want to know if those A300-textures are available for download somewhere. If not, is it possible for you to send them via e-mail to me (my e-mail: klaus dot hullermann at gmx dot de)?
If you upload/present those classic widebodies (they would nicely fit with the TriStar), that would be awsome (for the A300 I didn't know a better freeware panel than the one I currently have)!
Klaus
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Post by tokolosh on Aug 23, 2011 9:03:20 GMT
Mark, Great to hear the Cantu DC-10 is in the pipeline, albeit not soon. Regarding the FDE update (sga10fup), I cannot find that file on flightsim.com or elsewhere. Is it different to the FDEs found on the more recent repaints on that site?
Greetings, Albert
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Aug 23, 2011 9:54:36 GMT
UMMM .... that's "NOT" what actually I've said .... or meaned to imply All I've said (above) is that we've "pondered" the "possibility" .... but honestly .... that's as far as things have ever gone .... because no commitment, at this time, has been made, by HJG, to either the A300 or the DC10 ;D Once again .... and just to be "double clear" regarding this .... there's "NO GUARANTEE" these other aircraft will actually be hosted, here at HJG, in the futureOK .... I see what's happened there .... ;D I forgot to suffix that particular filename with the word ZIP, so, search again .... but this time .... use the following filename .... sga10fup.zip.... it "IS" there .... along with the other panel filenames I've recommended too .... because I've just seen them all. I've also since corrected my ealier posted text too The DC10 FDE update is more recent that most of what I'm aware has been avauilable to date. It was actually released back in 2003 (I'm not aware of any more recent version/s). The update package I've recommended above includes FDE revisions for each of the following DC10 versions .... DC10-10 DC10-15 DC10-30 DC10-30ER DC10-40 DC10-40D DC10-40I Each of these should work fine with the recommended panel files. Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by tokolosh on Aug 23, 2011 11:12:50 GMT
Thanks Mark. Perhaps I was just hoping too hard that HGJ would definitely host Cantu's DC-10 series As to the FDE update, maybe I'm searching incorrectly, but even since these files were mentioned in the original discussion in March/April, I just can't find them with or without the zip extention, in various sections of the site (jetliners, panels, etc). The panel files are there though. The FDE I'm using is pretty good so I wouldn't be surprised if it is the update anyway! Greetings, Albert.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2011 13:14:49 GMT
I made lots lots of screenshots of SGA DC-10-30s using many different airline liveries painted by one of greatest livery texture painters named Frank IDONE. He was also very kind enough to agree to my request to fix his gorgeous Air Florida livery's little jagged problem to make it more crisp sharp. I flew Air Florida livery few times with so amazing results!! In matter of fact, many of readers of my screenshots showcasing SGA DC-10-30 with Frank Idone's liveries asked me if it was CLS model. I said nope and said it was good old fashioned FREEWARE SGA model!!! Frank Idone's paintings made SGA DC-10-30 looked so good that it made people think it was CLS!!!
Frank Idone told me he has not painted liveries for past 3 or 4 years.
What PUZZLES me is that many painters painted many different airline liveries (I have gorgeous Mexican airline liveries too) on SGA DC-10-30s but NOBODY painted Pan Am and Finnair liveries on SGA DC-10-30s. I do not understand that. Why is that? Is it because Pan Am and Finnair liveries are too boring to painters or they were available on avsim but got lost due to avsim's tragic event??
Aharon
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Post by tokolosh on Aug 23, 2011 13:35:41 GMT
Aharon, there is a PanAm SGA DC10, "Clipper of the Union". The file name is paadc10w.zip. I did a very quick search on AVSIM but couldn't find it, so it might have disappeared due to the hack, or on the other hand, the search engine is not the easiest around ...
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Post by botamern on Aug 23, 2011 17:33:55 GMT
Aharon, there is a PanAm SGA DC10, "Clipper of the Union". The file name is paadc10w.zip. I did a very quick search on AVSIM but couldn't find it, so it might have disappeared due to the hack, or on the other hand, the search engine is not the easiest around ... Albert 10 seconds of searching found it still available at Flightsim.com Nick
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Post by almguy1 on Aug 23, 2011 19:00:54 GMT
"YES" .... the DC10 has been "pondered over". In fact I have a number of the following (private projects) just sitting around .... biding time .... AIR NEW ZEALAND DC10-30 (1973) ZK-NZL .... this is the original texture by Frank IDONE .... but .... it's since been completly redone by Camilo LUENGAS (under my own direction since I was closely associated with these aircraft) .... and other minor variations of TE/NZ livery over the years created for the appropriate other aircraft fleet registrations .... unfortunately I don't have any images of these ready to show yet ! DC-10-30 N821L (1983) by Camilo LUENGAS .... leased from WESTERN AIRLINES .... ex AIR NEW ZEALAND ZK-NZN. Quite the same also applies in respect of the A300 too .... and the following new/previously unreleased textures .... AEROCONDOR COLOMBIA (1979) HK-2057 "Ciudad De Baranquilla" by Camilo LUENGAS .... "LATEST VERSION TEXTURE" ! AIR FRANCE/IBERIA AIRWAYS (1972) F-WUAC (prototype aircraft) by Eduardo ROCHAIBERIA AIRWAYS/AIR FRANCE (1972) F-WUAC (prototype aircraft) by Eduardo ROCHAAIR FRANCE (1974) F-BVGD by Eduardo ROCHAAIR FRANCE (1980) F-BVGA by Eduardo ROCHAHowever .... AND I DO NEED TO APPEAR CLEAR REGARDING THIS SIMPLY TO AVOID MISUNDERSTANDINGS/MISINTERPREATATIONS OF THE TYPE WHICH CAN OTHERWISE LEAD TO OVEREXPECTATION/PROBLEMS .... "no decision has yet been made" in regard to whether or not HJG might relaunch these aircraft in the future, so please , "do not ask/hint/suggest/prompt/persuade .... or whatever in regard to the status of these "IDEAS" ;D In any case HJG is, currently, heavily committed to the release of its MD80/90 project. There's no way that this volunteer group can, realistically, consider introducing another new aircraft type .... along with everything else that would have to go with it too in order to make such a project "a great one" .... as most have, by now, come to expect from HJG. "IF" .... HJG ever does relaunch the DC10 .... and A300 .... then whatever we do would be based around Erick CANTU's models, but, that "most certainly won't be happening this year" .... I can assure everyone ! Some folk might remember a DC10 panel WIP being presented, here, earlier this year (which I suspect is what might have prompted this subject to come up), and a certain amount of discussion regarding it, and the DC10 generally, but, it needs to be understood that what was presented here .... back then .... was essentially (1) a private project .... and (2) simply in-line with general discussion at that time .... because (again) no commitment had actually been made, by HJG, to these aircraft, even at that time. Never-the-less though .... AEROMUSICA (that's Benoit PLAMONDON and myself) are still working on our own DC10, A300, and B747 related GE and P&W soundpacks .... as time permits .... but again .... these new audio productions remain "PRIVATE PROJECTS" also. Once again .... here's Benoit's original preview of the BETA version of our new GE soundpack for the DC10 .... as originally presented by us/AEROMUSICA earlier this year, but, still in need of"a lot more work .... www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr6cBOYbQEQMark C AKL/NZ Great DC10 Sounds on the Aeromusica You Tube clip probably a fade transition would have been better on the livery changes editing though. Also very good Doppler effect on take off. Regards Dave
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Aug 23, 2011 20:25:57 GMT
We'll get "GET THERE" Still a lot of work to do yet though ! FS2004 doesn't do this as well as FSX .... unfortunately .... and which is one of the reasons why any soundpack must be compiled escially for FSX parameters in order to be able to perform well in that FS version. FS2004 compiled audio "just dosn't quite" work as well .... in FSX Mark C AKL/NZ
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2011 22:54:24 GMT
Aharon, there is a PanAm SGA DC10, "Clipper of the Union". The file name is paadc10w.zip. I did a very quick search on AVSIM but couldn't find it, so it might have disappeared due to the hack, or on the other hand, the search engine is not the easiest around ... Albert 10 seconds of searching found it still available at Flightsim.com Nick Shalom Albert and Nick, I already saw that livery few months ago and it was not good livery. The fact there is no Finnair livery and ONLY ONE Pan Am livery for SGA DC-10-30 since its inception 7 years ago puzzles and baffles me considering the fact there are so many superb paintings (also kept repeating every year by different painters) of almost all airlines flying DC-10-30 yet none for Finnair DC-10-30 and only one for PanAm. Surprises me. Oh if all of you are wondering why I am so keen on those 2 liveries, that is because I flew on them as passengers:) And Albert and Nick, nice to meet both of you here on HJG. Aharon
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Post by lockheedluvr on Aug 23, 2011 23:42:03 GMT
10 seconds of searching found it still available at Flightsim.com Nick Shalom Albert and Nick, I already saw that livery few months ago and it was not good livery. The fact there is no Finnair livery and ONLY ONE Pan Am livery for SGA DC-10-30 since its inception 7 years ago puzzles and baffles me considering the fact there are so many superb paintings (also kept repeating every year by different painters) of almost all airlines flying DC-10-30 yet none for Finnair DC-10-30 and only one for PanAm. Surprises me. Oh if all of you are wondering why I am so keen on those 2 liveries, that is because I flew on them as passengers:) And Albert and Nick, nice to meet both of you here on HJG. Aharon Actually, the fact is that a Finnair was done back in 2003. Maybe it was lost in the AVSIM hack.
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