DC 9 Auto Pilot

[navyman]

Hi Guys, I am new to HJG aircraft and I have a problem understanding the functions of the DC9 AP. I have read the panel handling notes but have found one or two questions.
a) what is the difference between ILS and Man G/P positions
b) what is the difference between NAV LOC and R. NAV.
c) Are there any instructions on how to use the KLN90B panel
Glare Shield
d) On the FD control what does LI and TR mean.

I would appreciate any information that you can supply.

Many Thanks

navyman

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

Kindly refer to our online/forum based DC9 manual .... entitled DC9 PANEL INSTALLATION & HANDLING NOTES .... which is located on this/ the DOUGLAS AIRCRAFT SUPPORT forum page .... or .... use the following link ....

tonymadgehjg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=chat&action=display&thread=3435

These service notes go a far beyond just basic installation procedures .... to cover most of what is essential to be known in order to be able to enjoy these DC9 panels to the maximum. This information is extremly comprehensive due to the natural complexity of these DC9 panels.

In regard to AP operations in particular ....

Kindly refer to "SECTION 3" of this manual .... then paragraphs 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 3.4, and 3.5 .... entiitled "AUTOPILOT" (+). Certainly all of the AP functions which one must know/be able to use, in order to fly these panels well/poperly, is well covered within this information.

As far as the KLN90B is concerned .... and so far as I'm aware .... we've never had any manual for this .... BUT .... it's such an important piece of kit that I've never actually used it on any of our DC9 panels .... or any DC8, CV880, and CV990 panels either since each of these are also equipped with the same/similar piece of KLN90B kit.

Mark C
AKL/NZ

[walterleo]

KLN 90B

Hi: This set is very easy to handle:
File a flight-plan in FS 9, switch it on. Talk to FS9 "ATC" and BINGO it guides you where you wanted to go. While hand flying you can check with the right rotary knob how far you are off-course.
BUT: If you have PT-Tu154M installed you can change the KLN with the PT Tu 154 KLN90B: This marvel can guide you via the heading bug.
BUT: For understanding how to handle you better look for the real manual of the real thing on the net, cause this one works exactly like the real thing.

www.sea-avionics.com/documents/kln90bpg.pdf

AND flying with it you will turn knobs like a real airline driver, so even cruising will not bore you.
And to bring into it your flightplan you better use some russian software, if not you can get mad.

Kind regards

Walter ;D

[navyman]

Hi Guys, thanks for the prompt replies. I will look into my problems using your info.

Kind Regards

navyman

[walterleo]

Hi Navyman:

Good luck, and: the left rotary knob on the FD control serves for rising and lowering the FD bars according your wishes e.g. for climb or descent. It is off when a vertical mode (Alt. Hold, GA or GP) is being selected. Works like in the 727 737 R. Probst panels

and: doesn't change the AP settings.

Did download the DC9-30 of Aeromexico 2004 (think was the last paint DC 9 30 flew with them). But downloading I discovered one thing:
Seems you give the liberty to choose what engine one will use. I decided MMMX is 2200 m high therefore the most powerful engine (the -17) should fit better, clearly together with its panel. And the sound as its a repaint of 2004 the late one. Is that your idea, cause I didn't find any information which engine is being proposed for a repaint.
Besides that the planes flies wonderfully , but even with the -17 engine the T.O. at full weight from MMMX needed a good part of the long Rwy.
Afterwards the climb was at the point the numbers Mark gave in his flying-tips.

Many thanks for the plane!

Walter

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

"YES" .... as Walter states ....

It's important to match the correct aircraft type/engine type base packs with the correct aircraft type/engine type panels .... or .... panel engine gauge indications, aircraft weights, V-REF speed calculations, and aircraft performances generally .... will all be "OUT" considerably.

These details are well covered within my DC9 PANEL NSTALLATION & HANDLING NOTES also

Being compiled by a then DC9 captain (stellan HILMERBY) .... and intended to be a kind of home based familiaration tool/aid for SAS DC9 pilots .... these DC9 panels are, currently, "the most complex" we offer (that's just the way they are), but, are "a real pleasure to fly" .... once one learn to master them properly and which "IS NOT" at all difficult .... hopefully aided by my extensive notes.

Thanks for your input Walter .... it's a good and very valid point !

Mark C
AKL/NZ

[walterleo]

Hi Mark

googling a little around I did understand better, why you (=HJG) doesn't declare what engine to what repaint: First its difficult to find a documentation about individual planes, second only the crashed ones are remembered by their engine configuration at the time they crashed. As Aeromexicos XA-JED a DC-9-32 which came down during approach to LAX on 31 8 1986 due to a midair with a Piper (the Mexican crew had no guilt at all for that) had JT8D7 engines. N936ML a DC-9-31 which overran the RWY at Reynosa (6 10 2000) had JT8D17 engines.
Therefore the work of aviation history is very complicated indeed.

Walter

[aerofoto - HJG Admin]

YEAH .... and as I also mention within my DC9 SUPPORT notes .... correct DC9 aircraft livery/engine type configurations require independent research on the part of the end user (a DC9 production list .... particularly the DC9 book by Terry WADDINGTON .... are invaluable for this sort of information). Historical awareness/knowledge is important too .... bearing in mind that most of the early DC9-10's were originally powered by P&W JT8D-1's with most, if not all of these, later being upgraded to JT8D-7's .... and .... any number of later DC9 model were upgraded with more powerful engine later too.

I'm happy to advise folk which particular aircraft engine type (and by implication aircraft panel/engine type) they should be using for each DC9 textures/liveries .... on the basis of their first stating the aircraft type and registration they're enquiring regarding (saves me a lot of time looking at our texture inventory) .... simply because I do have most of the appropriate information at my fingertips.

Other than that .... and as I again state within my SUPPORT notes .... "ANY" DC9-30 (etc) texture can be used with any DC9-30 aircraft engine type base pack. The "CF/F/RC" related aircraft textures though should be assigned to the "F" model aircraft base packs only though

The important thing really is just to ensure that all aircraft engine type base packs are matched with their correct corresponding aircraft engine type panels (VERY EASY) .... OR .... weights, V-REF data, engine performance indications, and aircraft performance generally .... "WILL" suffer.

Mark C
AKL/NZ