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Post by fitch on Oct 18, 2012 5:51:14 GMT
DC-8-63 cockpit video youtu.be/gLsvLYHZowo Is there anyone out there, not just the HJG guys, who have a ton of stuff on their plates already, who would be interested in trying to replicate this flight deck? Complete with CRT Displays, Apollo GPS Unit, and all the other cool "modern" stuff in there? I would LOVE to, but I have no knowledge of how to create panels, nor have I the tools needed to do it. |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Oct 19, 2012 0:37:00 GMT
I can't view your video (on dial-up) .... BUT .... I suspect the glass configuration you're referring to is probably a "Semi-Glass" version that was applied to some UPS and AIRBORNE EXPRESS operated DC8's.
I'm aware of it .... but .... offering it isn't, quite, as straight-forward as it may seem.
Such a DC8 panel configuration (of the type "I'm refering to" at least) was considered for representation among the HJG DC8 panel flightline (in fact it was even mocked-up. about 4 years ago, by one of my colleagues whom flew the DC8 as a PFE until fairly recently, and using the current HJG DC8-70 panel as his base .... and which "IS", according to all of the DC8's I've ever jumpseated on, very accurate in terms of its basic combing shape) .... HOWEVER .... since HJG "does not" own its current DC8 panel flightline, and given the extent of the modification work that was necessary in order to, meaningfully, represent/mock-up this other panel configuration we toiled with .... an authorization was neeeded (as a ccourtesy) from the "actual owner/author" of the current HJG DC8 panels in order to be able to, legally, release what had been produced .... and there-in is where the problem arose .... because my HJG colleague "could not", ever, seem, to get the necessary authorization.
It was a great pitty really .... because he'd put a lot of work into it and what he tailored up did look quite splendid .... but .... that's the way things go , sometimes, in FS production.
"IF" I were to try and persue this original concept (I'm just far too busy to be able do so at the moment though) .... then who knows .... it might, still, be possible to get the necessary authorization, in the future, but, I make "absolutely no promises whatsoever".
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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Post by fitch on Oct 19, 2012 2:42:39 GMT
Yeah it's semi glass. The CRTs are for the HSI and Attitude Indicator, plus probably a few other things, probably a map as well. Then the Apolo GPS unit isn't very big. But it's not something I need, but would be really cool.
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Post by garryrussell on Oct 19, 2012 10:44:47 GMT
Mark A still from the vid which although poor quality, might show enough to see if it's the one you're thinking of  |
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Post by aerofoto - HJG Admin on Oct 19, 2012 12:50:29 GMT
DARRENVOX has already confirmed (per PM) what I suspected .... and as the above image now indicates .... that the aircraft I assumed to be represented "IS", indeed, a Semi-Glass configuration .... mostly common to both UPS and AIRBOURNE EXPRESS, but, not a lot of others.
Mark C
AKL/NZ
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Post by garryrussell on Oct 19, 2012 12:57:51 GMT
Interesting mix as it has the glass areas and a flight engineers station
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Post by fitch on Oct 20, 2012 0:38:01 GMT
They've done similar to a lot of 727s. Glass in and of itself, wont negate the FEs station. If the Glass components are strictly navigational, you'll still need the FE. You would need to automate a lot of systems to get rid of the FE. Basically you'd be looking at what FedEx did for the MD-10 conversions.
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Post by christrott on Oct 20, 2012 18:20:46 GMT
Yep, changing instruments isn't what gets rid of an FE. Moving the controls he has to other panels does. With the smallness of the DC-8 overhead, there's simply not room to do it. With the DC-10, by integrating 737NG and MD-11 parts, they were able to rearrange the DC-10 overhead and fit it all in to get the MD-10.
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Post by dutchman2 on Oct 24, 2012 19:10:00 GMT
I was on an Air Canada DC-8 that they tried to get rid of the Second Officer. The center / engine instrument panel was extended almost to the floor to move a lot of the SO panel to that area. Very awkward to say the least.
They still had to keep the Fuel Panel as well as the hydraulic systems selectors (what you all like to call the cash register) at the SO station due to the cable actuation for those controls. I think the electrical panel (top LH on the HJG DC-8 RH side view) also stayed in the original location.
I don't recall anything moving to the overhead.
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Post by christrott on Oct 25, 2012 16:55:54 GMT
I believe that it was some A300's or A310's that were converted to a 2-man crew which had this as well where stuff that couldn't be moved forward were kept on a vestigal FE station which the FO could access by sliding his seat back on an extended track. There wasn't much on it, but I remember walking into the cockpit of one of them that FedEx had acquired and doing a double-take the first time I saw it.
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